[video=youtube;gSDmnKh-axo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSDmnKh-axo[/video]
kickstarter.com/projects/1649838104/copper-dreams/posts/1856072Update #13
Ruleset Upgrades for a Cyberpunk Horror Future
Hi everyone! Excited to finally be back with another update! We plan on having weekly updates until the alpha is out, detailing various aspects of the gameplay we’ve been working on. Our target is to get the alpha slice of the game out to alpha tier backers next month. We will keep you updated as we get close!
Speaking of alpha…
Character Heads!
Since we’ve refined what were doing with the art in the game, we’re going to start needing to put heads on characters, and who better but yours. We’ll need character heads for the agents you control as well as enemies and NPCs. For those in the applicable tiers, be on the lookout this next week for an email from us showing what to send in particular for the picture. We’d send out a survey but we only get one of those through Kickstarter, so we’re waiting to use that until later when we need addresses from everyone.
Soundtrack Examples
We wanted to showcase some of the more cheerful tracks we have in the game! A lot of tracks will focus on ambience to add to the horror vibe, but we wanted some standouts for particular situations:
0fdcfb747a45455a66eeb9100ff7c3f6_mp3.mp3
28aafcb793823e148e3887df0611c828_mp3.mp3
882a053171de7aceb0feeef405ef05ef_mp3.mp3
Background point pool for Virtues, starting Skills, and Advantages / Disadvantages
Instead of just stat numbers, a lot of character output has to do with gameplay styles. We wanted to include more ways to have more interesting starting characters to mess around with. Anything from making your character deaf, unable to run, various phobias, 14 years old, and lots of other ways that are reflected in the mechanics and visuals. This allows you to create interesting characters for a lot of combat variety, and also test yourself to role play fairly flawed characters, mentally, physically, or with fairly suspect past choices in their life.
Having too low of Logic or being illiterate means all text in the game is garbled. We made all the text in the game dynamic so far as to make this full-stop:
Where advantages cost you background points during character creation, disadvantages will gain you some. Here’s our current pending list for these Advantages and Disadvantages as it stands now. Originally we were going to have pre-generated characters for you to use in the alpha, but we’ll now have a character generator like in the actual game where you can create your agents, so you can put these to the test.
Here’s a glimpse at some of the Gained, Advantage, and Disadvantage background traits:
Age also dictates maximum Virtue availability. These are rough numbers to get an idea of how these might influence the character:
Height Slice and Character sight and hearing visuals
Visualizing a character’s line of sight as the character is one of the overarching visuals driving gameplay and simulation — it’s an isometric glimpse into their first-person view. Your character’s vision is also driven by stats, poor eyesight has smaller visions than others, and if you get wounded in your face or an eyeball, you can lose out on part of that radius.
Since the original Kickstarter we’ve refined the visual for it to be more exact (it was also tile-based then). We’ve also added in an additional radius around your selected character that represents their maximum hearing range. This is the distance they’ll automatically be rolling to hear other NPCs, and is their maximum distance of influence in the game, as everything outside of it is black.
d90614e96f1ab68aa887503dcdefc9e8_h264_high.mp4
Movement and Combat Upgrades
Pathfinding returns, now with multi-locations during combat as well as automatic vertical navigation for you and NPCs!
The increasing focus to deliver simulation is what has evolved the ruleset and gameplay. It’s of tremendous help being able to adapt these ideas to a bronze-age game and a futuristic one, we can pop these characters in to either universe and see how things would make sense. GURPS became an increasingly influential rulebook, and while things are wholly different in application, we hope to capture that spirit within the systems in the game.
We finished off combat iterations the past few months by enhancing the way players target and roll-to-hit with it, which ultimately led to an overhaul of the ruleset. You can now aim anywhere and roll under your skill with the item to determine how successful you were to getting to your target. All item or skill usages use that model now. Allowing you to aim for things in the environment that we don't outright tell you can make for more interesting puzzles or interactivity. Lights for example can all be shot out now:
51adfba6b8c687e5b381f245d15bf609_h264_high.mp4
With a 3d world, thrown objects that bounce around, it seemed fitting to give the player some agency on where they are actually shooting. You no longer only attack targets, but can also attack anywhere you want, including where you expect targets to be as they are moving. If you do attack targets you can select which body part you’d like to try to shoot, and you’d track that body part until you fire or it’s no longer visible. Aiming for anything allows you to lead targets on the move or temporarily unseen (and thus unable to be targeted), or precise location to lay down cover fire for more than one target that might end up down the middle of a hallway or something.
Distance modifiers are no longer just static distance markers as with the original Challenge Target, but influenced by reference points around the projected line starting with nearest to the character attacking. This is all in-code in the game, but that sight-line checks for any nearby objects starting at the character and moves down to the actual target. So the idea for this is if you you have a reference for a target really far away, you can get visual bearings by aligning your shot with any nearby objects. For example aiming a burst fire into a clearing near the side of a building you hear an enemy running into would have that building act as the distance check, not the potentially infinite space behind it.
The crosshair for melee path for slash/thrust or your projectile line is your ideal hit location, and you roll to attempt to hit that location, regardless of or if you have a target in mind. Success means you hit that target precisely (in 3d space), and failure means you deviate it from a variable amount, so it’s considered a potential failure in most cases.
Wound penalties and visuals
Another way of indicating health status for player characters and enemies, we're adding various states of wounded movement and idling. In the alpha you’ll be limping around if you’ve taken on particular Greater or Mortal wound, which acts a visual that you’re damaged as well as an indicator that your movement speed has been reduced.
Going into the alpha, here are the current wound categories and all the stats they can influence:
Death and Undeath
This was mainly a challenge shift from try-until-you-win save scumming to that of enduring with your failures. As we design the final maps for the game, one problem we were coming across was the tedium of needing to find areas to try to save, and ended up basing that as essentially checkpoints where it would be heavily implied to. Redoing areas would also end up being tedious as we made Wound-counts lower as well, so we’ve changed the death penalty system for the better.
Our goal was to incorporate the feeling of being in-the-moment without the comfort of knowing you could just reload easily, but without starting the game over or needing to start over at a checkpoint. The solution was just letting your character die, keeping their wounds, and starting them at a safe place (TBD) to resume. The world remains as you left it when you died, and you would patch yourself up, rest, or press on carefully, as any other Wounds would again kill you. It's a wonderfully gamey system that allows you to progress through the game while perpetually being worried about character health.
Animations!
For a while now we’ve been testing with bargain-bin animations to get the job done, and we’ve just recently added in our custom ones and are they quite an improvement. In Serpent in the Staglands we were proud that each weapon type a character could carry had its own custom sprite sheet to go with it. It was another way we could cram some visual identity into those tiny characters. We’re doing the same for Copper Dreams, except with custom animations for each main item type with all different attacks per type. So while that’s a lot more animations, at least we don’t have to animate them in 8 directions.
Our existing system has a base of 110 animations for a weapon type, for instance a pole-arm vs a pistol. This doesn’t include individual reloads per type of weapon, or any unique or special humanoid animations for them, like hulking cyborgs who stomp around or small children who’d visually struggle looking down the sights of a 130 pound Coilgun. Those are fun to do and look at so they are a nice visual addition without much extra costs besides a cup of tea and a few hours. While all these animation speeds are driven by the ruleset and individual character stats these animations act as a general guideline. Nimble characters can jump or kick open doors faster than others, for instance.
Next: Storytelling (and more combat)
As we continue to develop the narrative for ‘Copper Dreams’ (and ‘A Banquet for Fools’) we were often hitting a conflict of interest between storytelling and game systems. Our last two updates detailed how our iterative process continued advancing our game systems, we thought it would be appropriate to explain how those systems influence the narrative as well.
Letting players know what tools they’ll have in a game and in every situation is a critical factor in any p&p or computer rpg, that’s why rulebooks are filled tables. What gets dodgy is when the narrative pigeonholes the player into situations they could have otherwise avoided or changed if they were allowed to just continue using their existing tools. Our next update we’ll show off the dialogue, NPC dispositions levels, tags, and how we’re getting player agency into what ’s normally very authored events.
If you have any questions let us know and we’ll either answer on here or get a video of it in the next update! Cheers!
schinderhannes.999;n8423390 said:
Fantasy archetypes + steampunk setting => Arcanum
Fantasy archetypes + cyberpunk setting => Shadowrun
Nuclear apocalypse + futuristic setting => Fallout
Shadowrun + nuclear apocalypse => new game? Either that or that cool film noir game.
pcgamesn.com/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-sequelParadox know "people want a Bloodlines sequel," will make one "when the time is right"
Paradox Con 2017 just wrapped up in Stockholm, and there have already been lots of exciting announcements about the ambitious strategy publishers' coming plans. Some of these should concern the intellectual property of White Wolf publishing, which includes the 2004 cult hit Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, so we asked Paradox CEO Fredrik Wester about that very subject.
Apart from the fact that they now own VTMB, many of the leads on that game now work at Obsidian, with whom Paradox have collaborated before.
“Yeah, on paper that's a really good match,” says Wester. “Of course, sooner or later, people will want a follow-up to Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines… and when the time is right I guess a sequel will find its place in the market. But it's too early to say anything about that right now.”
Paradox bought White Wolf in 2015, but it’s clear that they are taking their time making games based on their IP. Wester accepts this, saying they don’t want to announce anything too early for fear of disappointing fans, “but things are coming - that’s not a secret. There’s no use buying such a rich catalogue of IPs just to be sitting on them another ten years.”
We ask about Werewolf: The Apocalypse, a forthcoming videogame adaptation of White Wolf's tabletop RPG, which is due to be published by Focus Home Interactive.
Wester stresses that White Wolf are “very much independent from Paradox. They have their own team, their own CEO, and they pretty much run the business. And we have a lot of contact, but we’re not stepping on each other’s toes.
“The deal with Focus, I just heard about. They were like ‘we’re making a deal with focus, and it’s an RPG, and it’s a Werewolf game,’ and I knew just two weeks before the announcement. I don’t even know what it’s about. Sounds a bit sloppy, but I have full confidence in the White Wolf team that they’re going to deliver the right stuff.”
How's that for a hands-off management style?
Several problems here. 1. Focus don't make Linux games. 2. Focus don't release games DRM-free.
Quite an interesting book on the history of RPGs: https://crpgbook.wordpress.com/
Last edited:
There are a lot of cool RPGs that I really like and always have fun to play. But I think I will never change World of Warcraft. It is the best and the most powerful RPG the world ever seen. Blizzard created a big and a very cool world which made millions of people tremble in front of the PC. Besides that, I like to play midnight-ro.com, also a really cool RPG game. I can't say that it has the best graphics, but the gameplay is amazing, I think everyone should try to play it. The online is big, so don't hesitate to have a good time!
Last edited:
PoE 2 is alot of fun. Highly recommend continuing the adventure there. It's just different enough with the whole pirates theme to make it fresh again. Some really good mods available for it too (just look for my name, selfish promotion lol).
That's my bro, I also play RO, great game! Which server, mb we can hang out?