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  • Originally posted by 227 View Post
    We could change everything else for the better and it might help, but it'd still be little more than a stopgap.
    No, I think otherwise. Witcher forums were busy for years, despite only two games coming out across the 9 years since I joined. Devs weren't flocking to the boards then either.

    I have no problem with attracting an active hardcore community and keeping them. I don't need lots of traffic, I'm hoping more for engaged, quality posting.

    This is also what I meant by avoiding a bitchfest. This is mostly complaints, not a lot of suggestions so far.

    Originally posted by 227 View Post
    Santa only visits the good boys and girls, so everyone behave!

    While we're being manipulative, I should mention that I've achieved a similar result by setting things on fire.
    a) if in terms of positive results, no you haven't and b) yes, Santa only visits the behaving boys and girls. That's fair.
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    • So, a short moderator update on the latest discord about Discord:

      1. If anyone got upset about their posts getting deleted unfairly(in their opinion) - I apologize on behalf of myself and the whole moderation team. The deletions were needed so we could discuss the Discord issue internally without the discussion sprawling and eventually getting out of hand.

      2. Most of the posts are getting restored as we speak, and almost most of them in the same shape as they were in before the deletions.

      3. Alan989 - feel free to put the Discord link in your signature. However, keep in mind that this forum is mostly for people coming in and talking here, not getting "recruited" for other platforms. That's why one of your posts will stay deleted.

      4. Constructive feedback about moderation is welcome. However, as I'm sure all of our distinguished, long time users and - especially - ex moderators know, should be shared via PM, not in public.

      I think that's all for now regarding the Discord issue.


      And now let me ask - out of curiosity - why is the Discord server better for getting "this community back together in some form" than the forum? Is it the live chat? Any other functionalities? Feedback on this would be nice - if anyone wishes to share it here, of course.
      Last edited by gregski; 14-02-17, 21:25.

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      • Thanks gregski

        The main reason why I created the Discord is I, and many others, felt the community needed to have several ways to communicate besides the forum and the fact that many of us didn't agree with the re-design which we felt deleted several key features such as the old friends lists which made it harder to communicate with each other as the search function barely works and it takes too much time to scroll down the list to find those people you wish to contact. I created the Discord to make it easier for everyone to stay in touch, but I do not want it to replace the forum, rather I want both to work beside each other to strengthen the community as a whole. Having different options for community interaction can only be a good thing right?

        Discord is just a very easy to use program, much better than things such as Skype even though it doesn't have video calls, it has both live text chat and voice chat.

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        • Generally I see a platform like Discord to be more engaging, that sense of instant gratification - instant messaging, the voice chat, etc.. I've seen some other gaming companies adopting Discord and it seems to be getting some traction. Forums have their place, long winded, structured discussions are king, but it's losing its foothold in an age where most people use other more prominent platforms. People will go to the more popular, easy to use place, every time.

          I wouldn't say I prefer Discord over forums, I love the forums format (maybe not this one particularly), I like the structure that a live chat might lack at times. And who knows, if this place were more engaging I could see more people joining. But in this particular case I do find myself being more comfortable catching up with old friends on Discord mainly due to the easy going atmosphere, that fear of an iron fist surprising my behind because one of my posts might be taken the wrong way, then having to go through an arduous process of explaining myself where 9 times out of 10 the authoritarian party always comes out the victor just really isn't worth my time.

          [Sard Edit] PONIES ARE FOR HAPPY TIMES.
          Last edited by Sardukhar; 16-02-17, 08:28.

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          • I'm glad to see that sanity prevailed on this issue, but now I'm about to disappear into the darkness again.

            And to answer this from my perspective:
            Originally posted by gregski View Post
            And now let me ask - out of curiosity - why is the Discord server better for getting "this community back together in some form" than the forum? Is it the live chat? Any other functionalities? Feedback on this would be nice - if anyone wishes to share it here, of course.
            The forums don't offer any advantages over other platforms (they're not the go-to place for news, they're not the go-to place for engagement with the CDPR community management), and the forums are significantly worse than platforms such as Discord in terms of functionality and ease of use. I'd echo what Alan said about the problems in finding old friends since the "upgrade", plus the navigation issues and just the general messiness of the forums. And the Community section is really, really hidden away from anyone who visits the main game subforums, so it would surprise me if many people actually find it.

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            • To add to the above, I logged in today to reply to a PM, but decided to check out Community. There's been one post here in the last 24 hours.

              One post.

              Two years after TW2, the Community section was alive, with regulars posting all the time. And yet, despite the huge fan base, nobody is here.

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              • Originally posted by dragonbird View Post
                To add to the above, I logged in today to reply to a PM, but decided to check out Community. There's been one post here in the last 24 hours.
                One post.
                Two years after TW2, the Community section was alive, with regulars posting all the time. And yet, despite the huge fan base, nobody is here.
                Certain changes in CDPR started happening around and after TW3 release.The state of the forum is a reflection of those changes. Major communication failures in regards to those changes contributed to that.

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                • Originally posted by Sardukhar View Post
                  Witcher forums were busy for years, despite only two games coming out across the 9 years since I joined. Devs weren't flocking to the boards then either. [...] I don't need lots of traffic, I'm hoping more for engaged, quality posting.
                  They were certainly around, though. Things were happening. Patches for years, some adding new content. REDkit for W2 came out in 2013, there was the Xbox port that came with a contest that had a ton of people flocking here (and whoring themselves out, but it's happier to forget that part in favor of the engagement). That's not to belabor the point since this is clearly something you're not willing to entertain and that's fine, but we'd have to vacate reality to claim that the way they approached these boards then and now are similar in any way. And if you use "strength" as a euphemism for "people not complaining," you should probably just define it right off the bat so that we can avoid pointless detours like that in the first place.

                  For what you want, fragmentation's probably the biggest problem right now. We don't need separate subforums for every single act of the first two Witchers, much less four separate forums where virtually nothing is happening. And I'm not a fan of the fluff like the big banners that push the actual forum content further down the page, nor the achievements that double the size of a short post. Then again, I blocked all that stuff and others might be totally fine with it. On a side note, I can't wait for your engaged, quality posting to be hit by a tsunami of internet riffraff once actual 2077 news comes out. It shall be glorious.

                  Originally posted by dragonbird View Post
                  Two years after TW2, the Community section was alive, with regulars posting all the time. And yet, despite the huge fan base, nobody is here.
                  Maybe the huge fan base is part of the reason, though? I mean, the first two games were/are kind of niche, so a large chunk of the community that liked the games fell into this place as a central hub for like-minded people. Seems pretty common with niche stuff. Now that the games (or game, I guess) hit it big, though, there are a million viable places to talk about it. And the people who buy whatever's popular at the moment seem pretty flaky to begin with and not exactly the types who'd stick around once newer, shinier games hit their radar.

                  Or maybe without a Kayran to frustrate W3 players, frustration can't drive people to seek out kind souls willing to kill it on their behalf. I wonder how many people came here for that, only to get caught in our web of sparkly gifs and find themselves unable to leave?

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                  • I haven't been on these forums for as long as some of the others who've posted have been so do correct me, but I could point out that as the company became more popular, people started discussing their products on other social media networks such as Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and so on - and thus CDPR moved to cater to those social media sites. Now we have updates about any and all CDPR products simultaneously on each of these now official platforms - why would anyone visit the forums? I'm already on Twitter or Facebook, I could just click a button and follow all their updates as they happen, why would I take the extra step and log into the forums? As far as strengths would go, hitting up the forums would be for complaints about bugs, maybe the discussion of mods (moderators, not modifications, ofc ) and, rarely, for a chance encounter with a developer who might participate in the community for their own pleasure.

                    There's a reason why console exclusives exist - to provide a genuine incentive to purchase the console. Unless it's also available on PC

                    What has this forum got that the other platforms don't have? The old forum system was - well, old - but it was reliable, it was easy on the eyes, it had all the functionality a forumite could ask for and could compete with the familiarity many people have with Reddit's layout and overall UX. The Reddit is well organised and it has the advantage of a preexisting userbase that can just join in a discussion without having to log in or make a new account just to talk about this company's products. Then all this platform really has left is the rare interaction with developers, which no one has seen or heard from for centuries, so no one either expects it or talks about it and therefore that potential attraction turns to dust. I'm not saying that developers should make effort to be present on the forums in order to give incentive for users to be here, I'm saying that's the only thing that this forum had that the other platforms don't. Contrary to Sard's claim - but perhaps supporting Sard's claim - if CDPR want a flourishing forum, then they need to put effort into it. Why would I use their forum when it's less convenient and has no outstanding benefits? On the other hand, if we as a community have died down and dissipated enough to say - well, there's nothing here for me and it's not my responsibility to hold a community together regardless of the platform's sullen existence - then perhaps, quoting my favourite banned forumite, we should just Let The Witcher Forums Die With Dignity.

                    As for Discord - well I hear in the era before I joined the forums, a group of regular forumites used Skype for IM about topics and they used IRC before that. I think Discord being a vastly superior IM service that's specifically dedicated to gaming - both to catering to the needs of gamers in particular and for the community that's already familiar and drawn to it - overtaking use of these previous IM services is a no brainer. Skype is the worst program most of humanity has ever been cursed with and other gaming IM services have been either costly for no reason or just shit in general. Discord is just good quality service that's catering to a pre-existing IM requirement from our community and happens to also be supporting the community during this time of poor performance on the forum's behalf. I don't think there's really much of a reason why Discord is so good other than what others have already meantioned - it's easy to use, it's got a pretty good friendlist, the developers of the program are loud and proud about their bug fixes and future plans for feature - something perhaps the web development team might want to consider, you can use it for a few different gaming communities with the same account AND use a nickname in each of those communities to be relevant to that franchise or whatever - as I said before, the rise of Discord is a no brainer.

                    I'd be all about getting this place back to the former glory that it once was, but alas, it's not the only place to go for Witcher related discussions anymore - and, fact is, not even for Gwent or Cyberpunk. So we're in a new era and this should have been anticipated with the famed release of the Witcher 3 and subsequent announcements regarding Gwent and CP. We're on the cusp of The End and if this platform is really valuable for CDPR to get feedback then they'd better invest some sort of energy into it. Otherwise, perhaps simplify the threads for reduced traffic, improve the features that are apparently unfinished and maybe think about what the purpose of the forums will be when CP takes off - will people discuss on Reddit or make new accounts/log into the ones they used to use on these forums? What incentive do GOG users have for coming here and is it worth integrating all three subforums into GOG's forums?

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                    • GOG forums are in a very sad state functionally. They don't even support image embedding or many other basic forum functions, and GOG are in no rush to upgrade / fix them.

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                      • Originally posted by Gilrond-i-Virdan View Post
                        GOG forums are in a very sad state functionally. They don't even support image embedding or many other basic forum functions, and GOG are in no rush to upgrade / fix them.
                        Then maybe it's worth integrating them in here :^)

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                        • Originally posted by mecha_fish View Post

                          Then maybe it's worth integrating them in here :^)
                          May be, but GOG is really huge, way larger than scope of CDPR games, so it's probably not the best idea to bring it here. However upgrading forums there to good modern engine is a must.

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                          • Originally posted by mecha_fish View Post
                            and, fact is, not even for Gwent or Cyberpunk.
                            Wait. Where else can you go for quality Cyberpunk talk? Especially Cyberpunk gaming? Because I've found other forums and Reddit severely lacking compared to ours - not to mention Reddit's thread mechanism is barely organized at all, with very confusing or vague headers. I also have to log into Reddit, although that's pretty irrelevant in the era of auto-logging. And then there's the ads, which I either block and screw the site owners or leave up and bleah.

                            Facebook and Twitter are corporate updates only - stuff like news articles might or might not show up there. We have those in the Cpunk FAQ!

                            Plus our titles and subject discussions are -way- cooler: Interactive living open world (Aka. not movie set open world)
                            Add diversity in mission/quest design
                            Martial Arts in 2077.
                            Will bullet resistance be a thing for melee characters? What do you guys think?
                            Cyberpunk Soundtrack


                            Oh and we have a -very- cool Fan Art section. Such goodness.

                            As for CDPR wanting a flourishing forum, they want a satisfactory forum. They have many, many media platforms.

                            -I- want a flourishing forum!
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                            • Originally posted by Sardukhar View Post
                              -I- want a flourishing forum!
                              And ponies.
                              'Sorry, but smashing barrels is one of my hobbies!'

                              Forewarned is forearmed. Therefore, to reduce chances of random encounters with the Guards, please, review the Rules and Regulations of the Forums. Thank you.

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                              • Originally posted by Riven-Twain View Post
                                And ponies.

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