CDPR talks about publisher control...
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-19-cd-projekt-red-selling-the-witcher-3
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-05-19-cd-projekt-red-selling-the-witcher-3
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Great read. I love reading/listening/watching Iwinski's talks. He may not really be a core of the Development team anymore (At least I think so?), but he loves the games & he loves the studio he's (co)created & you really can feel the passion in his words.
Also regarding PC Crowd being more forgiving, I don't think that he's saying they simply "Don't Care" or that it is acceptable to release clunky KB/M controls / UI, but more-so that if you do happen to mess it up, the PC Crowd is less likely to completely jump down your throat for it.
I for one am still not sure how TW2's Inventory got past Testing (Maybe everyone was playing it with a 360 controller?), but I doubt they intentionally fucked it up hard. That is evident from listening to the Community's feedback & promising us a Grid UI again with TW3.
If you ask anyone about KOTOR2 or VTM:B, they'll tell you to get "Insert mods here" before even considering playing & it does a ridiculously good job at fixing the issues. Whereas if something like The Last of Us had a fuck horrible UI or Controls, people would probably be warding others off it simply for that alone. The PC Crowd are just as prone to disliking bad Controls & shitty UI's, but I think more often then not we tend to go, "It'll get mods" & not end up being massively critical of it. I for one wasn't too keen on the Inventory & some UI elements of TW2 on launch, but it wasn't broken, so I wasn't kicking my screen in every time I had to sell stuff or equip a new item & I truly did think to myself, "Perhaps someone will mod a better one later".
Still, he probably shouldn't have said that because if I'm wrong here, I definitely do agree it's a bad thing to say.
Also regarding PC Crowd being more forgiving, I don't think that he's saying they simply "Don't Care" or that it is acceptable to release clunky KB/M controls / UI, but more-so that if you do happen to mess it up, the PC Crowd is less likely to completely jump down your throat for it.
I for one am still not sure how TW2's Inventory got past Testing (Maybe everyone was playing it with a 360 controller?), but I doubt they intentionally fucked it up hard. That is evident from listening to the Community's feedback & promising us a Grid UI again with TW3.
If you ask anyone about KOTOR2 or VTM:B, they'll tell you to get "Insert mods here" before even considering playing & it does a ridiculously good job at fixing the issues. Whereas if something like The Last of Us had a fuck horrible UI or Controls, people would probably be warding others off it simply for that alone. The PC Crowd are just as prone to disliking bad Controls & shitty UI's, but I think more often then not we tend to go, "It'll get mods" & not end up being massively critical of it. I for one wasn't too keen on the Inventory & some UI elements of TW2 on launch, but it wasn't broken, so I wasn't kicking my screen in every time I had to sell stuff or equip a new item & I truly did think to myself, "Perhaps someone will mod a better one later".
Still, he probably shouldn't have said that because if I'm wrong here, I definitely do agree it's a bad thing to say.
Iwiński talked about it a bit last year as well (pc players being more forgiving) What he meant was when pc player encounters a problem he will look for a way to resolve it, ignore it, or battle through it, he won't give up playing just because something isn't working great. Pc players got used to that.. Consoles players tend to give up playing if game does not work 100 % correctly or something is clunky etc.. Thats generalization but i think its true to a certain degree.
I suspect that Iwinski is referencing his own personal preferences and perhaps those of his friends. Or at least, what he used to play vs how things are now.
There used to be a pretty sizeable stream of games with bad controls/UI. What many of them had in common was that they were western. Granted we're talking about pretty old games here. But still i think eastern games improved on the matters of user input much quicker. And i can't belive that this is merely a coincidence.
My best guess is that Marcin sees it in a similar way, he knows the phenomenon existed, just doesn't know exactly why. Sometimes he mentions PC gamers being more forgiving. Other times he mentions western gamers being more forgiving.
I simply think it's a matter of evolusion. back then markets were more closed and as a result, games were developed with the local market in mind. Nowadays i can just buy a US game and a Japanese game and marvel at the diferences, but i will find plenty similarities as well. It's the same industry. Just different customers. Back then even subtle things could evolve in different ways. Were the US market may have seen games with clunky controls as old and "last gen", the eastern market might have focused on something else entirely. If only because a different genre of games was at the 'top' at that time. That's just a theory though.
There used to be a pretty sizeable stream of games with bad controls/UI. What many of them had in common was that they were western. Granted we're talking about pretty old games here. But still i think eastern games improved on the matters of user input much quicker. And i can't belive that this is merely a coincidence.
My best guess is that Marcin sees it in a similar way, he knows the phenomenon existed, just doesn't know exactly why. Sometimes he mentions PC gamers being more forgiving. Other times he mentions western gamers being more forgiving.
I simply think it's a matter of evolusion. back then markets were more closed and as a result, games were developed with the local market in mind. Nowadays i can just buy a US game and a Japanese game and marvel at the diferences, but i will find plenty similarities as well. It's the same industry. Just different customers. Back then even subtle things could evolve in different ways. Were the US market may have seen games with clunky controls as old and "last gen", the eastern market might have focused on something else entirely. If only because a different genre of games was at the 'top' at that time. That's just a theory though.
nice interview/article - it kind of touched on the ideas Iwiński talked about in one of his talks presenting the story behind how they managed to stay independent and how the whole contract with Namco Bandai and THQ worked out. @sidspyker if you really are Marcin Iwiński I want to say thanks for giving this talk, it was informative to listen through it. If one takes time (or just has too much free time 
) to research such interesting company then he can know all those details, like for example at their last financial reporting conference they hinted that at E3 they're gonna "supposedly" announce expansion of gog to modern games.
) to research such interesting company then he can know all those details, like for example at their last financial reporting conference they hinted that at E3 they're gonna "supposedly" announce expansion of gog to modern games.
@JBaptistaG He's not Iwinski, haha. At least I don't remember Iwinski having an Indian accent. >.>
What are you talking about, I am Marcin Iwiński. I can provide a photo taken today to confrim.
Oh relax kids, I've got a gut feeling Marcin Iwinski's around here somewhere hahahahaha, after all isn't there a little Marcin Iwinski in all of us? hahahaha... hahaha, in fact, you might even say we just ate Marcin Iwinski, and he's in our stomachs... right now! AHAHAHAHAHAHA!... Wait, scratch that one.View attachment 3329There's a little bit of Marcin Iwinski in all of us.
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About the PC statement. What he means to say is, console gamers are less forgiving jerks like me and want the best of the best.
So while they were working on high quality polish for the console kits hand in hand with the PC, it in turn has made the PC game even better than it could have been thanks to the almost unrealistic high standards of asshole console gamers like me.
So while they were working on high quality polish for the console kits hand in hand with the PC, it in turn has made the PC game even better than it could have been thanks to the almost unrealistic high standards of asshole console gamers like me.
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