Sardukhar;n10491562 said:
Actually, there are a bunch of things you can't say - it's in the Rules. Check my sig. Not even that extreme, either.
As for not being cynical, that wasn't in blue, so it was just my opinion. Although again, by the rules, as soon as moderators think people are being unkind, to each other or CDPR, yeah, we can shut it down.
But that's not what I meant. I meant that the "we'll see! We'll just see!" comments that made up nearly every post after Liz' post of Iwinski saying "We know we need to deliver. And we will" are just disheartening and kind of cold. Based on what? A good to great series of games by a developer that wants to make you happy?
So yeah, my opinion is that those posts tended to the too-cynical and negatively judgemental by a heavy amount.
And I stand by it. CDPR doesn't really need more doubt - not sure what that is going to accomplish. I saw that for W2 and 3 and it didn't do much good there.
Having issues with things in-game is fine, but we don't know what's in game yet. So when the founder says, "we'll deliver", maybe saying, "good luck!" would be appropriate. And polite. And friendly.
As opposed to, "we'll see." or "Time will tell."
I share
kofeiiniturpa's sentiments here. But to address the comment about there being rules against stuff,
obviously I didn't mean you can literally say anything
here. I was saying you can express any opinion (not necessarily on these forums) politely or impolitely. I prefer to do it politely, if possible.
I know you're a mod and you have discretion to shut down or stop things as you please. But I would hope you wouldn't do so just because you disagree, or are a little frustrated with somebody even though they aren't breaking any rules or even being rude. And for what it's worth, I like you and think you and most if not all of the other mods are fair, reasonable fellas. I like discussing stuff with you all.
If you don't want my "ilk" around, so to speak, that's fine. You can just say it. But I'm not a 24/7 optimistic person. I do have faith in CDPR. I like CDPR. I've bought every single one of their games and the starter pack in GWENT for that reason. But I also have a lot of doubts. And I would like to be free to express those doubts as often as I please, so long as I'm not hurting anyone else (I've messed up in the past and apologized), intentionally derailing topics, or causing personal attacks. The reason I like being here is because I can say these things without being downvoted to hell and getting a bunch of angry PMs from upset redditors.
Again, CDPR are big boys and girls and do not need to be protected from cynical opinions - just my thoughts on the matter.
Anyway, now we are actually getting off topic, so I guess we can take it to PM if anything more needs to be said, or if you feel the need to ban me or something (joke).
Here's hoping for a showing at E3 this year, and a release in 2019. Go, CDPR!
Suhiira;n10493142 said:
If they were targeting the "mainstream" CP2077 would be an "Destiny 2" or "Battlefront 2" near-clone, and I don't even remotely suspect it will be. Those are the games with the potentially big sales numbers. The only reason they're not selling as well as they could be is the monetization BS their publishers are trying to pull.
That sort of game isn't CDPRs "thing". They make RPGs, and do it in such a way that it appeals to the RPG-lite and new-to-RPGs crowd. They don't do shooters, platformers, racing , or sports games; or any of a host of other target audiences.
Cynical is my middle name!
You just need to keep in mind not to take it to far because it then becomes derisive or mocking.
Mainstream for me = TW3, Skyrim, Bioware RPG.
Mainstream success = The same: the financial success of those games.
Maybe it would have been more correct to say "mainstream RPG." I am under no illusion that they are going to create Destiny 2.5.
My point was that CP2077 will be super successful because it's likely going to be a mainstream RPG, not a Pillars of Eternity-like, more niche title (though that game was a success as well). That's all I meant.
I'm also not sure when I've ever mocked anyone, so I'm going to assume you're speaking generally. Outside of one or two isolated incidents, I've never said anything worse than you guys.
