Will Cyberpunk 2077 be mature writing?

[Snowflakez]

Really late reply, I don't check these forums often at all, But that rock and roll / punk element is somewhat inferred when I said that despite the grim world, it's daring you to try. Imo, a key element ot the spirit of punk and rock, is the daring. It's to go against the grain, and against the odds.

In order to have risk and stakes, you have to have friction. Friction provided by an opposition, something modern media is forgetting what with how Star Wars barely even has any threat or substance to their antagonists.

You got to feel the weight of the world, for it to have any meaning that you're standing out against it.

Assuming you as the player in an open RPG choose to stand out in it. I would love to revel in the dirt in some playthroughs making ends meet someway, start out trying to survive as a prostitute even, before finding your way to rise up in the world.

Games underestimate how interesting it can be to explore baser existences that aren't god-emperor savior of mankind, and a proper sandboxy RPG should be able to let you explore those elements. Let you go at your pace and eventually push past it to strive for heroism- Or villainy.

Yeah, I hear you. I think you'll get what you want (to a degree - I don't know about playable prostitution), as CDPR has already promised a "street level" story and not so much a big rise to power/fame like what you'd see in the Elder Scrolls or a Bioware RPG.

 

[Razrback16]

Personally, I don't really see the point of sex scenes being more graphic - these games are not meant to be porn after all. As I see it, "mature" does not equal "more nudity", "more explicit visuals" and "more violence". That's pretty much the immature approach in my opinion. For me, mature games approach subjects from a less black-and-white point of view, handle difficult and heavy subjects and involve adult themes like sexuality and violence but do it in a smart and mature way.

No worries, you're absolutely welcome to your opinion, I just disagree with you. Would like as much detail as possible in every respect - character development, violence, sex, the world itself, etc.

 

[NightSavior]

No worries, you're absolutely welcome to your opinion, I just disagree with you. Would like as much detail as possible in every respect - character development, violence, sex, the world itself, etc.

You're welcome to disagree. But why?

 

[Snowflakez]

You're welcome to disagree. But why?

Probably because of personal preference. There is no de facto meaning for maturity, it's a term that has adopted many definitions over the years.

To some people, it means more violence. To others, more sex. To yet another group of people, it means more drugs. Or all of the above. Or none of the above.

But let's be clear - Night City is not a nice place. There will almost certainly be a lot of rampant prostitution, drugs, and violence, because that's the nature of the universe. If you want something with rainbows and kittens, Cyberpunk is not the world for you. I'm not saying the player must er... "interact" with everything that moves (I personally don't get enjoyment from a game trying to titillate me), but it should be there and it should be happening.

Whether or not the player chooses to partake in the various "Activities" around the city should be entirely their decision and ultimately CDPR's - nobody else's. After all, everyone else can ignore it if they so choose. Such is the nature of a roleplaying game, and such is the benefit of a singleplayer role playing game as opposed to a PnP where you must consider the desires of others. Singleplayer RPGs are your time to be completely self-centered with no restrictions.

Personally, I want CDPR to do whatever they hell they want as far as that stuff goes. Put a lot or put not much. As long as it's a creative decision and not one meant to appease any one particular political group.

 

[Razrback16]

You're welcome to disagree. But why?

Would like as much detail as possible in every respect - character development, violence, sex, the world itself, etc. I want it all unfiltered for as close to a real life experience as possible in all respects. As far as the sex portion of it, I remember a media outlet one time asking a CDPR exec 'why do you have sex in your games?' and the CDPR employee responded with such a cool statement, something along the lines of - 'People have sex. Therefore there is sex in our games.' Simple, and sensible. So my response to you is along those same lines - There is sex, violence, and relationship development in real life, so I would like it all to be as detailed as possible in the game.

 

[Snowflakez]

Would like as much detail as possible in every respect - character development, violence, sex, the world itself, etc. I want it all unfiltered for as close to a real life experience as possible in all respects. As far as the sex portion of it, I remember a media outlet one time asking a CDPR exec 'why do you have sex in your games?' and the CDPR employee responded with such a cool statement, something along the lines of - 'People have sex. Therefore there is sex in our games.' Simple, and sensible. So my response to you is along those same lines - There is sex, violence, and relationship development in real life, so I would like it all to be as detailed as possible in the game.

Yes, that was Rock Paper Shotgun. I remember the interview well because it frustrated me to no end. The questions were clearly politically motivated (I've made it clear in the past, but I'll say it again... I don't want political bias of any kind influencing CDPR, whether it's left right or center - creative decisions only, please) and intended to make CDPR defend themselves for their creative decision to have a scantily clad woman in the trailer.

CDPR basically said "there was no political statement" and then RPS asked "so what was your political statement?" The questions were just that silly, to me. Link, for reference: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/02/cdp-on-cyberpunks-trailer-social-commentary-in-games/

They were so cool in that interview. Love those bastards.

Anyway, OT... I agree completely. If it's in real life, it should be in the game. I do not want any form of censorship, no matter what. While most of us here, on these forums, probably live relatively comfortable lives, relatively free from the struggles people on "the streets" face, those problems do indeed exist (there are certainly exceptions among us, of course... I don't presume to know anybody's history). Their lives are worlds apart from what we experience on a daily basis. Stuff is rough at that level, sex, drugs and violence the likes of which I can only imagine exist everywhere.

 

[Suhiira]

I'll just say Maslow ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs ) has it right when one is "on the streets", anyone who's been in the military and done extensive field duty can back this up as well. Priorities change in ways most of us really can't comprehend.

That said, I don't want gratuitous sex, drugs, and violence. And that's the balancing act many games fail at, they include stuff for the sake of including it.

 

[Razrback16]

Yes, that was Rock Paper Shotgun. I remember the interview well because it frustrated me to no end. The questions were clearly politically motivated (I've made it clear in the past, but I'll say it again... I don't want political bias of any kind influencing CDPR, whether it's left right or center - creative decisions only, please) and intended to make CDPR defend themselves for their creative decision to have a scantily clad woman in the trailer. CDPR basically said "there was no political statement" and then RPS asked "so what was your political statement?" The questions were just that silly, to me. Link, for reference: https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/201...tary-in-games/ They were so cool in that interview. Love those bastards. Anyway, OT... I agree completely. If it's in real life, it should be in the game. I do not want any form of censorship, no matter what. While most of us here, on these forums, probably live relatively comfortable lives, relatively free from the struggles people on "the streets" face, those problems do indeed exist (there are certainly exceptions among us, of course... I don't presume to know anybody's history). Their lives are worlds apart from what we experience on a daily basis. Stuff is rough at that level, sex, drugs and violence the likes of which I can only imagine exist everywhere.

Good post, thanks - I couldn't remember which outlet it was that had the interview and I hadn't read the whole interview to know they were asking politically motivated questions, which, as you mentioned, made CDPR's handling of it even better.

 

[solbacka1]

It has to be mature, otherwise I'll probably not play the game. Not necessarily because the "matureness" has an impact on the story itself, but more rather that it would sort of remove the dark set that CDPR ais known for.

 

[wisielec]

A little late to the party, sorry, I ddnt read previous pages...
I feel i discussed this before, but its not relevant I guess.

I want THE EDGE. I want to be as close as possible just enough to for my tangible humanity, a count zero, scream "don't let go!". I want a partner in crime which may or may not be a fuck-friend. Without obligations. And then some. I want to touch drugs and their ethereal digital imprint of Loa in me. A lucid neon streets with high speed races and fast women bathed in beautiful nihilism. I want to breathe it all in and exhale my own soul on ice riding a banshee with my choombata - bag n tagging those boyz in black causing static. Until we DeeVee... after all its a gibson.

You know? Gimme all the decadence in a cesspool of humanity, let me drown and reach the bottom... with a chance to redeem myself if I chose to. Or let me aspire, push higher and then crash and burn.

Sex for the sake of sex and titillation. Violence for the sake of violence. I want to see all that. In forms and shapes.
We have a dilemma, what is the goal? How d owe portray sociological advance in thought and behaviours, the taboo and direction we shifted to. Do we adhere to todays norms when portraying a certain vision of a future where they might not apply? I am sure there will be lots of folks who take it offensive but so what? Do we sacrifice vision for docile, commendable product?

This might be the experience every game ever promised. I would like that very much, yes I would.

 

[Snowflakez]

A little late to the party, sorry, I ddnt read previous pages...
I feel i discussed this before, but its not relevant I guess.

I want THE EDGE. I want to be as close as possible just enough to for my tangible humanity, a count zero, scream "don't let go!". I want a partner in crime which may or may not be a fuck-friend. Without obligations. And then some. I want to touch drugs and their ethereal digital imprint of Loa in me. A lucid neon streets with high speed races and fast women bathed in beautiful nihilism. I want to breath it all in and exhale my own soul on ice riding a banshee with my choombata - bag n tagging those boyz in black causing static. Until we DeeVee... after all its a gibson.

You know? Gimme all the decadence in a cesspool of humanity, let me drown and reach the bottom... with a chance to redeem myself if I chose to. Or let me aspire, push higher and then crash and burn.

Sex for the sake of sex and titillation. Violence for the sake of violence. I want to see all that. In forms and shapes.
We have a dilemma, what is the goal? How d owe portray sociological advance in thought and behaviours, the taboo and direction we shifted to. Do we adhere to todays norms when portraying a certain vision of a future where they might not apply? I am sure there will be lots of folks who take it offensive but so what? Do we sacrifice vision for docile, commendable product?

This might be the experience every game ever promised. I would like that very much, yes I would.

Well said! This is Cyberpunk. Modern-day politics and worrying about offending people has no place here.

 

[Jimbo_G]

I'm all for mature themes I just want them to have a purpose. Dont be like Ubisoft. I dont care that 4 gay people, 6 muslims and a Jewish person made this game. I really dont. I don't care if an NPC is gay or whether they sexually identify as a tree swinging gorilla or a bobcat. It offers nothing to the story. I dont want a rape scene for the sake of having one or for the shock factor. Too many times in video games my character has to go off and deal with stuff that doesnt really mean anything when there is an impending apocalypse approaching. Its the typical "Were trapped in an elevator with no way out how are we going to escape" Other NPC: "Well I sexually identify as an attack helicopter" Uh, thats great and im happy for you but that doesnt help me get out of this metal box. Look at the last of us with the attempted rape scene of Ellie. It was horrific but it wasnt just there for the sake of it.