I legitimately simply missed Zefyris' post in the crap show of everyone else talking about scorch. And Henry's is a conclusion, not an argument.
Karajorma;n9280711 said:
So you want one of the only proper counter to super greedy deck to be nerfed? So that this game simply turn into a race about who put the more strength on the board and carry over the most without even caring about the opponent? Schirru exchanges another of your cards for the scorch, meaning that the real scorch value is the value of the scorched target- the value of the transformed card. If the transformed card was 9 value for example, the it's Scorched target-9, so it's nothing extraordinary most of the time, as even a 15 strength target actually values +6. especially since the player announces that he has that scorch. Villentretenmerth has a 3 turn timer so you can either play around or lock him. Or debomb him if the highest unit on your side is lower than 8. What unit gives 12 value on top of a scorch? Can't think of any.
Ok, let's start with Schirru. Your logic there is nonsense. That would only be valid if you lost tempo. You don't. You transform the card from your hand so you don't lose the value of it. You can't play that 9 now, but that doesn't make the scorch a -9, by that logic all scorches are -9 because you could have put a 9 value card in instead of the scorch. Even better you could turn something you don't need, or a bronze into a silver. You can have put in a clear sky's, not need it, and get a scorch out of it. So it's still an unkillable (unless they have shackles yes) 10 value card that gives you scorch. So it's horrendously valuable.
Yes, there's counter play, but that doesn't mean he's not too powerful. You already have to spread out your strong units to deal with igni so your debombing is not going to work most of the time. So you're pretty much sol unless you have shackles.
And as for the 12 I was in my memory combining Ethne with Saskia (but they always come together so that's not surprising.)
Part of it comes from it killing -all- the units of those strength, and the fact that the elves have a lot of units that divvy damage around so they can set you up to just get destroyed with scorch. Especially with our dragon friend.
And just to be clear my main deck isn't a buff deck (outside of the Reavers) but it's the mass targeting that makes dealing with more than one in a round nearly impossible.