I wouldn't know, I barely watch those things unless bored or prompted. If a deck becomes popular I'll wind up playing against it anywayiamthedave;n10679261 said:Did Swim do another handbuff video? I know he went through a phase of obsessing over Ocvist.
Just tried it.4RM3D;n10679331 said:He created a new ST Ocvist deck, dubbed "The Green Consume", which is even -uhm- nastier than its predecessors and stronger than NG Handbuff.
1990BW;n10680111 said:What about Eithné handbuff?
Ocvist + Mandrake + Mahakam Horn + Eithné + Mahakam Horn...
partci;n10606172 said:28 STR Ocvist says HELLO.
4RM3D;n10679331 said:He created a new ST Ocvist deck, dubbed "The Green Consume", which is even -uhm- nastier than its predecessors and stronger than NG Handbuff.
Hellsmoke77;n10680841 said:How is it "nastier" than NG handbuff when everything depends on one card which takes 4 turns to return to your hand?
I see you never took the advice of trying it to see how it works... there's only 1 Knight in that deck normally... there isn't enough room for more. your backup plan is G.Hunt, or maybe a big Silver depending on how you built. this is also why it self bricks so easily... there are 3 cards required to make it work, and you must have all of them R1, anything after that and your chance of a win drops like a rock. the same applies to the Ocvist version, but it can get by better on just 2 of it's key cards and can also use Milva in an emergency on any creature.Hellsmoke77;n10680841 said:How is it "nastier" than NG handbuff when everything depends on one card which takes 4 turns to return to your hand? You have 3 NG Knights, one of which you return to your hand right after you mandrake it without the opposition having a chance to touch it. This is much more consistent and thus much nastier.
Void_Singer;n10681701 said:Every faction CAN use this type of handbuff. Ocvist, Phoenix, and Mandrake (and Mardroeme) are all neutral cards... I keep waiting for someone to build the SK version because it'll probably be even stronger. And it's beyond ridiculous to claim that every faction should get exactly the same or none at all... the point of factions is to behave differently. if you want that kind of 'balance' you may want to stick to Arena.
It's equally silly to complain about things you dislike and think are OP, but then don't bother to make even the barest effort to understand how they work... it makes it very hard for us to take your opinion seriously, moreso when you suggest learning how something works is equivalent to 'everyone should play NG'. Those of us that have made the effort, discovered it's flaws immediately, and no longer fear it... I'd rather face off against either version than most of the top decks.
You complain about it being unbalanced yet the only T1 decks it really does well against are are weather, deathwish, and blue stripes... everything else, even Machines it's 50/50 at best, and usually below. The only reason it's doing well this season is thanks to a lot of players leaning heavily into Imerlith which it can stomp flat.
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I'm going to have to doubt your "plenty of people", considering your penchant for exageration and the fact that I have not seen NG Hanbuff a single time on the ladder in this season or last, other than the times *I* played it for change of pace. I saw it 3 times back in early january before the ointment nerf though. I will say that anyone playing a version with more than 1 Knight is playing a weaker points version than even the original. the bronze package is just too tight. it'd require very strong sacrifices and there's no real benefit since the starting unit is the least likely brick point with even just one silver as backup.
Hellsmoke77;n10681141 said:I don't know how you guys can defend either of these decks. I understand that people who eat, sleep and sh*t gwent enjoy more complex decks with a higher skill ceiling but these decks destroy the balance of the game.
soph912;n10682011 said:It's beyond ridiculous to claim every faction can play it. NG has Emhyr to take back the buffed unit to the hand and Spotters. ST has Milva to get the buffed unit back in the deck and Mahakam horn. So they have both unique abilities.
The only reason why it is better this season is Triss: Telekinesis. She was not there before.
Hellsmoke is completely right and of course it's popularity has nothing to do with balance...
Void_Singer;n10681701 said:Every faction CAN use this type of handbuff. Ocvist, Phoenix, and Mandrake (and Mardroeme) are all neutral cards... I keep waiting for someone to build the SK version because it'll probably be even stronger. And it's beyond ridiculous to claim that every faction should get exactly the same or none at all... the point of factions is to behave differently. if you want that kind of 'balance' you may want to stick to Arena.
It's equally silly to complain about things you dislike and think are OP, but then don't bother to make even the barest effort to understand how they work... it makes it very hard for us to take your opinion seriously, moreso when you suggest learning how something works is equivalent to 'everyone should play NG'. Those of us that have made the effort, discovered it's flaws immediately, and no longer fear it... I'd rather face off against either version than most of the top decks.
You complain about it being unbalanced yet the only T1 decks it really does well against are are weather, deathwish, and blue stripes... everything else, even Machines it's 50/50 at best, and usually below. The only reason it's doing well this season is thanks to a lot of players leaning heavily into Imerlith which it can stomp flat.
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I'm going to have to doubt your "plenty of people", considering your penchant for exageration and the fact that I have not seen NG Hanbuff a single time on the ladder in this season or last, other than the times *I* played it for change of pace. I saw it 3 times back in early january before the ointment nerf though. I will say that anyone playing a version with more than 1 Knight is playing a weaker points version than even the original. the bronze package is just too tight. it'd require very strong sacrifices and there's no real benefit since the starting unit is the least likely brick point with even just one silver as backup.
In which reality did "{I} and everyone defending it" claim to "love to play it". Or for that matter, that I am 'defending it' at all?... because it's not this one. It doesn't need one. But to expect no one to ridicule hyperbolic misconceptions presented as fact? now THAT would be a stretch.Hellsmoke77;n10683021 said:It's quite hard to take you seriously as well since you and everyone defending the deck love to play it. I play ST yet I have no problem admitting that Swims current version is op as well.
It's certainly easier to build with NG, because NG's whole shtick is using the game environment to attack the opponent. that doesn't mean it's the only means. As for posting decks I only post my fun decks, and I do it here, not offsite, because I have no interest in encouraging netdecking. and for the record I built my version after playing against someone else using it, because I liked how different the concept was and had most of the core available.Not every faction has a leader that makes such a deck possible. [...] If it works so great in all factions I would like to see some ideas from you on gwent db but we know that wont happen as your only goal here is to defend your cheap deck that someone else created for you.
No? so then you didn't say...I don't "fear" your crappy deck
nor...I play ST yet I have no problem admitting that Swims current version is op as well.
... Thou doth protest too much, methinksI don't wish to play against it. It's for low iq people who lack creativity and would do anything to win and get a rise out of people. It puts out too much bronze value and it's not worth teching agains just because a small percentage of people want to cheese their way up the ranks. As mentioned above, popularity has nothing to do with balance. If it were just you and Dave playing the deck it would still be unbalanced and needing a nerf.
the endless clickbait highlight reel that is twitch and youtube is your 'research' material? Has it occurred to you that people don't tend to share their boring matches because no one else is going to share them either? or that just because someone recorded something doesn't make their opinion worth any more? Please let this be an object lesson in Selection Bias, AKA Cherry-Picking. I'm actually beginning to wonder if you yourself have ever actually played against one of these. They are easier to beat than all the top ladder decks, and not with teching, just smart play and basics that should be in most well rounded decks. do they have big creatures? you betcha, and their potential to get them out is 9/match unchecked... that's less than unchecked Nekkers can do in a single R3.As for doubting my "plenty of people" argument, watch some Twitch and Youtube videos, unlike you who just started playing after the midwinter patch I've been at it for quite some time.
Void_Singer;n10684561 said:In which reality did "{I} and everyone defending it" claim to "love to play it". Or for that matter, that I am 'defending it' at all?... because it's not this one. It doesn't need one. But to expect no one to ridicule hyperbolic misconceptions presented as fact? now THAT would be a stretch..