Good patch, agree with all changes but am confused why an already imo op card like Dijkstra would receive a buff. He can already pull two cards, which can just be ridiculous since he's rarely used first round and can insta-lock a gg in last if there is a low card hand in play. I have a feeling that decision will be reversed, but maybe he was buffed to make up for the nr nerf (which was much needed imo)
So, random comment from a scrub who's played a while;
Seriously, what's with everything being agile. When I started playing months ago, agilie was a bonus, something either needed by the card to function well (anti-weather guys, some buffers, etc), but perhaps 20% of your units had it. Now, nearly everything appears to be Agilie, while fixed row characters are an extreme rarity among cards. Even when it's extremely counter intuitive, you slap swift on as a default without thinking (agile catapaults? Agile heavy fighters?). The ability to be swift really should be looked at, both to fit theme and only given when it's needed by a mechanic (Frost Giant, Frightener, etc). This limitation was interesting from deck construction, how to balance yourself to not be too spread out or too clumped depending on the needs of the deck and the counters present in the meta (hailstorm, potion buffs, things like the Ambush buff elf), and on counter tactics, identifying which decks tend to clump where to place weather, traps and how to use Igini, Aard and similar effects.
I really think CDPR should take a long hard look at their row placement. As it stands, it's a mechanic that is almost not a part of the game anymore, and if so, why keep it? Just have three unlabeled rows and roll with that, otherwise, they really need to cut back HEAVY on agile (like remove 40 to 60% of the Agile cards into fixed rows). You could even meet in the middle, having some cards have two valid rows (Catapults are Siege, ballista / light artillery could be siege / ranged, etc). You could even look at 'required' agile cards and set them to fixed rows, but in exchange, buff their power to compensate for that limitation (i.e make Frost Giant melee only, limiting his mechanic heavily, but perhaps he's +4 Power, or deals 3 Damage base, or whatever the balance point needs to be).
As it stands, things like weather or hailstorm, or igni almost excuslively punish mistakes for over filling a single lane, and counteract buffs, but they lack a strong deck build overall strategy.
Seriously, what's with everything being agile. When I started playing months ago, agilie was a bonus, something either needed by the card to function well (anti-weather guys, some buffers, etc), but perhaps 20% of your units had it. Now, nearly everything appears to be Agilie, while fixed row characters are an extreme rarity among cards. Even when it's extremely counter intuitive, you slap swift on as a default without thinking (agile catapaults? Agile heavy fighters?). The ability to be swift really should be looked at, both to fit theme and only given when it's needed by a mechanic (Frost Giant, Frightener, etc). This limitation was interesting from deck construction, how to balance yourself to not be too spread out or too clumped depending on the needs of the deck and the counters present in the meta (hailstorm, potion buffs, things like the Ambush buff elf), and on counter tactics, identifying which decks tend to clump where to place weather, traps and how to use Igini, Aard and similar effects.
I really think CDPR should take a long hard look at their row placement. As it stands, it's a mechanic that is almost not a part of the game anymore, and if so, why keep it? Just have three unlabeled rows and roll with that, otherwise, they really need to cut back HEAVY on agile (like remove 40 to 60% of the Agile cards into fixed rows). You could even meet in the middle, having some cards have two valid rows (Catapults are Siege, ballista / light artillery could be siege / ranged, etc). You could even look at 'required' agile cards and set them to fixed rows, but in exchange, buff their power to compensate for that limitation (i.e make Frost Giant melee only, limiting his mechanic heavily, but perhaps he's +4 Power, or deals 3 Damage base, or whatever the balance point needs to be).
As it stands, things like weather or hailstorm, or igni almost excuslively punish mistakes for over filling a single lane, and counteract buffs, but they lack a strong deck build overall strategy.
Pruny;n9628121 said:
Hey, a least let me play for a while dorregaray in my skellige deck, lol
GenLiu;n9628851 said:
NP, i was only pointing out a fact
TheShift;n9629511 said:
ok, but the fact that i can play my smiths in the meele row is ridiculous. they are support units, not meele fighters, same thing goes for catapults, and also meele fighters like an craite warriors deployed in the siege row look ridiculous (how are they suppose to attack or helping in a battle? throwing their weapons from a distance of 30-40 meters?).
a good compromise could be to give to some units the ability to be deployed only in 2 specific rows on the board (ex: ballistas, harpooners and brokvar archers could be deployed in the siege and mid rows only)
to me, giving complete agility to some cards is good idea, but not to so much cards.
Really not feeling the agile thing. Makes units less distinctive, really frustrates weather effects.
EazyR;n9645471 said:Just because it didn´t affect your current deck doesn´t mean that the nerf wasn´t a little bit overboard
Well actually, it did affect my deck.. I've realized it only after few minutes of a few rounds yesterday. But well, it could've been worse.
As in the previous patch. That truly left my entire deck in ruins (and there was a much greater amount of changes for everyone I believe). In any case, I imagine that optimizing/changing the gameplay never leaves everyone a victor.. There are always those who suffer a bit more then the others. But I think it will slowly settle down and will makes sense in a while.
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VlkStinu;n9645571 said:Well actually, it did affect my deck.. I've realized it only after few minutes of a few rounds yesterday. But well, it could've been worse.
Unfortunately i don´t have your optimism, i think the game is going down a path that it´s not good, hope that they fix all the issues, its getting confusing some of their choices in this Agile Patch, purpose of Rows with this added agility in alot of units, the loss of the Gold immunity (don´t have issue with that) but leaving half of the Golds without rework, lets just say that i´ve made maybe 30 games in the last week, not happy with the game at all maybe everyone is happy and enjoying i´m not and hope that CDPR finds it´s path on what they want to do.
Best of regards
EazyR;n9645751 said:
Oh, the agile thing, I completely forgot about that.. I cannot say I am against it, but it's true that it is what made Gwent unique in a way, that it have the rows and various units you can (or rather must) assign to them. But I can understand you are not enjoying the game as of now as every one of us has different expectations and tastes when it comes to pretty much everything - games and how they work are no exceptions. So I can only wish you that you get what you want from the game in the future and that the next changes will make the game more to your liking!