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  • #76
    I think most of the points made in the initial post are valid.
    I did like the Witcher 2 and in many ways the 2nd game offered a really good experience, especially in terms of story telling and atmosphere.
    Compared to the first game however, Witcher 2 falls flat in a few area's.
    I personally was disappointed with the simplified alchemy system of Witcher 2. Also the minigames (especially dice poker) were less fun than they were in the first one. Combat felt frustrating. Even though I eventually learned to work with it, I never enjoyed it in the same way as I did in the first game, mostly because I never felt fully in control of what Geralt was doing.

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    • #77
      I disagree with a lot of what you said, but a lot of key points do make sense. The engine works great for me and runs fine, the only thing I don't like is the pixel grainy edges of shadows. As far as mouse movement goes, you need to turn off cinematic DoF for mouse movement when talking to npc's for it to act normally, for whatever reason that setting reduces cutscene and talking to merchant FPS by a lot for no gain in visuals.

      Also, you may have had mouse smoothing on or something... After turning off cinematic DoF I don't have any mouse sluggishness whatsoever, you may want to check if your mouse has smoothing on it in its program settings or windows default settings.

      As far as the mini-games go I agree that they were all extremely easy other than dice which is random luck. I agree that tw2 was far more linear than tw1, but honestly I don't really care anymore considering tw3 is open-world. Combat WAS definitely clunky and had no way for you to deal with multiple enemies surrounding you as it only let you attack 1 thing at a time, which is one thing I really hope gets improved upon in TW3.
      Last edited by Shelledfade; 08-02-14, 03:18.

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      • #78
        Totally agree with you, IN ALL POINTS AND FOR ME IT BROKE THE GAME ENTERILY, STORY SAVED IT ALL BUT NOT EVEN ENOUGH WHEN GAMEPLAY IS THAT AWFUL.

        My rank to the game: 3/10 and only to give a respect for the storyline, really nasty gameplay, graphic motor and lag/stutter.

        But i will add some more of useful things apart of the mentioned cutcene kills GOD I HATE DAT.

        Bosses difficulty:
        Well there are little scales in stage bosses, the kraken (Kaernk or something like that) will kill you in 3 hits on dark (IDK in normal because i am a hardcore gamer and as i played TW1 game on hard and it was not hard at all but it was a good game, so i started the witcher 2 on dark as i saw something about special equipment and i love that things in gameplay, Susprise? YEP, dark equipment is broken, yeah glitched and really broken especially the swords and the sick stomach sounds plus removal of all music, not bad enough? Hmmm let put some black fog are we? This is the top bug i have seen in years). You get that suckish epic armor in stage 1 to get kaked in 3 hits, nice really? Okey lets talk about the draugr boss, this one is super mega ultra annoying and ofc expect some fps drops and lag due to overloaded environment. Boss battle is not as hard as the first one (I wont count the Letho fight because we all now he is Gerald but with the maxed ability tree), the draugr fight is poorly designed to 2 of his skills: Interesting arrow shower and meteorite/bomb shower, try to attack him when he is using his 2 favorite fu*kin skills and you get punched instead. Quen spam is expected from the players, you need a miracle to defeat that annoying boss that barely let you hit him if you didnt improved the sadly nerfed quen.

        Act 3 boss, the Dragon: This is the last mistake that i managed to stand against far enough, if you have played Dark Souls like I did (Love that game to the end BTW) you may remember Artorias, well forget about him he is just a maggot against the dragon, Artorias is nothing he is reaaaaallly easy, why dont you go and put down a dragon in TW2 on dark? This is the real man job, if the Kraken may kill you in 2/3 hits, the Dragon onehits you no matter what gear you have, you better go naked to the battle why bother in gear? You should have lvl 25-30 for the time you fight that piece of crap, you may have the Kingslayer armor (I had the traitor one, more than enough to put down 4-5 soldiers or monsters in no time). Why do you need any kind of resistance or armor when a boss is scripted to kill you in one hit. CD deffend the difficulty with: We have been inspired in the Dark Souls difficulty, well YOU EPICLY LIE... In dark souls you dont get oneshotted or onehit deaths if you wear the best avaliable equipment for the time, for example facing the bell gargoyles if you wear a +4-5 suit plus a basic sword in +4 you get killed in at least 3-4 hits, with Artorias The Abysswalker (Pretty Hard and Nice Boss) having a snake 2H blade that you get in the fortress in +8-+7 give you a very big advantage and by the time i arrived at lvl 100 he was not really hard, but easy enough to put down in 10 or 11 hits. Not to mention the companions help.
        You made a large mistake with scripted 1 hit deaths, same mistake you made with cutcene deaths, all that stuff are bugs, not better than that.

        Should you play on Dark and get the special armor to prepare for the real challenge like bosses? I SUGGEST NOOOOO WAY, CARE ABOUT YOUR TIME DONT CRAFT THE SPECIAL ITEMS BECAUSE SOME BOSSES ARE BAD SCRIPTED TO KILL YOU IN 1 HIT, HAVE NASTY MOVES/STRATEGY OR BOTH. The dragon have it all, nasty strategy and moves, onehits, penetrates your Quen nerfed shield (Shame on you for nerfing it, why didnt you nerf the Dragon), fire that fully ignore your Quen, etc. Reaaally sad that you decided to shit on the amazing story with this awful gameplay, hack and slash combat and onehit deaths? What kind of misc is that? Reminds me of Gothic 3 LMAO combat with 2 buttons one to attack fast and 1 to slow, reminds me to the Skyrim dragons too... That were toy dragons with soda instead of fire if you compare to the nasty one of TW2.

        I didnt ragequitted that hard since the Capra Demon, but i did it right. I bought the game on a store (2 discs inside) for 40 EURO, had to play it with mods THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR FIXING SOME STUFF IN THE GAME, i removed the fog and creepy sound of dark equipment, cheated the missing piece of the draugir armor for the 2nd dark armor (Game is stupid enough to not tell me, loot the corpses or something like that and i was in a hurry plus without space in the inventory, no drops later until i got a drop from boss of act 2, useless in that time due to the mod i installed and proud of it). For the act 3 i lost my patience, i godmoded trough the final bosses, game was really bad that i lost my atention on the ending, i was really pissed off and skipped it by ignoring it. I simply returned to the shop where i bought the game from and asked for a refund, the reason was clear: Broken game.

        One more thing: I dont care about the age of the main topic. I was talking about the enhanced edition, not enhanced enough to reach the 5/10 rank even.
        Last edited by TheLordDSK; 26-02-17, 00:22.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by TheLordDSK View Post
          Totally agree with you, IN ALL POINTS AND FOR ME IT BROKE THE GAME ENTERILY, STORY SAVED IT ALL BUT NOT EVEN ENOUGH WHEN GAMEPLAY IS THAT AWFUL.

          My rank to the game: 3/10 and only to give a respect for the storyline, really nasty gameplay, graphic motor and lag/stutter.

          But i will add some more of useful things apart of the mentioned cutcene kills GOD I HATE DAT.

          Bosses difficulty:
          Well there are little scales in stage bosses, the kraken (Kaernk or something like that) will kill you in 3 hits on dark (IDK in normal because i am a hardcore gamer and as i played TW1 game on hard and it was not hard at all but it was a good game, so i started the witcher 2 on dark as i saw something about special equipment and i love that things in gameplay, Susprise? YEP, dark equipment is broken, yeah glitched and really broken especially the swords and the sick stomach sounds plus removal of all music, not bad enough? Hmmm let put some black fog are we? This is the top bug i have seen in years). You get that suckish epic armor in stage 1 to get kaked in 3 hits, nice really? Okey lets talk about the draugr boss, this one is super mega ultra annoying and ofc expect some fps drops and lag due to overloaded environment. Boss battle is not as hard as the first one (I wont count the Letho fight because we all now he is Gerald but with the maxed ability tree), the draugr fight is poorly designed to 2 of his skills: Interesting arrow shower and meteorite/bomb shower, try to attack him when he is using his 2 favorite fu*kin skills and you get punched instead. Quen spam is expected from the players, you need a miracle to defeat that annoying boss that barely let you hit him if you didnt improved the sadly nerfed quen.

          Act 3 boss, the Dragon: This is the last mistake that i managed to stand against far enough, if you have played Dark Souls like I did (Love that game to the end BTW) you may remember Artorias, well forget about him he is just a maggot against the dragon, Artorias is nothing he is reaaaaallly easy, why dont you go and put down a dragon in TW2 on dark? This is the real man job, if the Kraken may kill you in 2/3 hits, the Dragon onehits you no matter what gear you have, you better go naked to the battle why bother in gear? You should have lvl 25-30 for the time you fight that piece of crap, you may have the Kingslayer armor (I had the traitor one, more than enough to put down 4-5 soldiers or monsters in no time). Why do you need any kind of resistance or armor when a boss is scripted to kill you in one hit. CD deffend the difficulty with: We have been inspired in the Dark Souls difficulty, well YOU EPICLY LIE... In dark souls you dont get oneshotted or onehit deaths if you wear the best avaliable equipment for the time, for example facing the bell gargoyles if you wear a +4-5 suit plus a basic sword in +4 you get killed in at least 3-4 hits, with Artorias The Abysswalker (Pretty Hard and Nice Boss) having a snake 2H blade that you get in the fortress in +8-+7 give you a very big advantage and by the time i arrived at lvl 100 he was not really hard, but easy enough to put down in 10 or 11 hits. Not to mention the companions help.
          You made a large mistake with scripted 1 hit deaths, same mistake you made with cutcene deaths, all that stuff are bugs, not better than that.

          Should you play on Dark and get the special armor to prepare for the real challenge like bosses? I SUGGEST NOOOOO WAY, CARE ABOUT YOUR TIME DONT CRAFT THE SPECIAL ITEMS BECAUSE SOME BOSSES ARE BAD SCRIPTED TO KILL YOU IN 1 HIT, HAVE NASTY MOVES/STRATEGY OR BOTH. The dragon have it all, nasty strategy and moves, onehits, penetrates your Quen nerfed shield (Shame on you for nerfing it, why didnt you nerf the Dragon), fire that fully ignore your Quen, etc. Reaaally sad that you decided to shit on the amazing story with this awful gameplay, hack and slash combat and onehit deaths? What kind of misc is that? Reminds me of Gothic 3 LMAO combat with 2 buttons one to attack fast and 1 to slow, reminds me to the Skyrim dragons too... That were toy dragons with soda instead of fire if you compare to the nasty one of TW2.

          I didnt ragequitted that hard since the Capra Demon, but i did it right. I bought the game on a store (2 discs inside) for 40 EURO, had to play it with mods THANKS TO THE COMMUNITY FOR FIXING SOME STUFF IN THE GAME, i removed the fog and creepy sound of dark equipment, cheated the missing piece of the draugir armor for the 2nd dark armor (Game is stupid enough to not tell me, loot the corpses or something like that and i was in a hurry plus without space in the inventory, no drops later until i got a drop from boss of act 2, useless in that time due to the mod i installed and proud of it). For the act 3 i lost my patience, i godmoded trough the final bosses, game was really bad that i lost my atention on the ending, i was really pissed off and skipped it by ignoring it. I simply returned to the shop where i bought the game from and asked for a refund, the reason was clear: Broken game.

          One more thing: I dont care about the age of the main topic. I was talking about the enhanced edition, not enhanced enough to reach the 5/10 rank even.
          I think you're forgetting that AoK is rapidly approaching nearly 7 years since it's release date. This game was considered another crowning RPG achievement in it's day, and I still think it is. I've played it up to Act 2, just after finding the wheel and pillar where Sabrina Glevissig was... executed. The game didn't feel as good as Wild Hunt, but that's for quite obvious reasons. I'll return to it once I've built my new PC, as I can't stand playing it on console with a lower resolution than 1080p.

          I find it surprising that you're complaining about the "hack and slash" combat since, after all, the combat system in Wild Hunt is vastly similar to AoK.

          Also, I didn't read too much of your post because I'd rather not read a detailed description of fights I haven't encountered yet, and my input on such fights would be artificial anyways.

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          • #80
            When people hate your game for the tiniest and least important feature like UI and minigames you know you made a masterpiece
            As for your more important gripes:
            - Geralt random animations: not random at all, just different depends on his position compared to the enemy, and can easily be learned
            - unresponsiveness? Just realistic, no one can stop his own two-handed sword swing in the middle of the swing
            - optimization is just golden, and I have no idea what you're griping about

            the only thing I'll agree with you about is the maps size which was lacking

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            • #81
              My greatest complain is the screen shaking in combat. That really, really, spoils the action and makes me stop playing frequently. Games are not movies, they don't need to be a "cinematic" blurry mess full of artificial screen shakes and other cheap effects to conjure up drama!

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              • #82
                The issues with the dark gear effects can be fixed with mods. It's one of the first things I do when I play TW2.

                I personally have always hated mini games in TW, they're always a mixture of frustrating and waste of time. Dice poker sucks in TW1 & TW2 I don't care if someone likes it. Sitting around waiting for a random dice roll is boring. I'd rather play Pazaak in KoTOR. Arm wrestling at least is quick, but also super easy with the exception of the very last one until you call out the cheater. Fist fighting was way better in TW1 & TW3. I also wouldn't have minded having the drinking games of TW1 brought back (they're not in TW3 either).

                Also, once you figure out how to beat them, all of the bosses are quite easy. I can beat the dragon on dark mode in a couple minutes.

                I have no framerate issues, the game runs perfectly for me and I wouldn't say that my computer is high end by modern standards (i5-4670K @ 3.4GHz, GTX 770, 8 GB Ram, game is installed on traditional HDD). I'm going through another play through right now. I'm even playing in 3D at times (which looks amazing) and get no lag at all.

                Level design I think is a strong suit of TW2, Flotsam is one of my favorite gaming worlds that I've come across. I do wish there was a bit more content (especially since there's a completely unused area past the broken bridge), but the areas are loaded with content even if they are slightly smaller in some aspects. I'd rather a smaller area with tons of content than a huge open area where you just go into an area for a couple minutes and then never see it again.

                Combat there are some animations that you always get to work by pressing certain directions and attacking. For example, move left and then left click and Geralt will do the spinning attack that tends to hit the guy like 5 times on the way in. Combat obviously wasn't amazing in TW2, but it was deep enough that you could play the game without doing cheap crap all the time and have a great experience. Obviously TW3's combat is way more refined, but you're talking about going from click click click combat in TW1 to this and then finally a much more refined system in TW3. When I first loaded up TW2 again I was trying to dodge like in TW3 and then remembering that the only thing you can do to get away from enemies is roll. Took me a few minutes to get used to that.

                With proper gear enemies die quite easily on dark mode. I have the first set of dark gear and the game is already becoming super easy for me. I also never use quen and only use dodge to retreat from enemies for the most part (rather than rolling behind them). So I don't use cheese tactics too much (except maybe Aard -> Heavy -> Heavy -> Heavy ).

                Turn off difficult QTEs in options (poor design to have them in the game anyway I'll admit) and you'll never die in a cut scene. Devs actually expressed the fact that QTEs were a bad choice after the game's release. That's why there's at least a way to disable the ones in cut scenes. The only other time you'll run into them is fist fighting.

                UI can be annoying, but it's vastly improved from the game's release. Either way, you can get used to it after a while. Otherwise just get a zero weight mod and you can just hold on to everything and then sort by value to figure out what's the best.

                Alchemy was kind of bland in TW2, but mostly because too many potions had tons of negative effects and made you not want to use them. Rook, Swallow, Tawney Owl were the only ones worth using IMO. Then again, in TW1 & TW3 with rare exceptions I pretty much only used those as well. Being forced to carry around liquor to make your potions doesn't make alchemy much better. Also, the alchemy tree in TW2 is the most OP so there's that.
                Last edited by whiplash27; 03-05-17, 16:29.

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