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[EPILOGUE] Alvin is the Grand Master?

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  • #31
    Originally posted by Drag0ntamer
    @ Petra: Ah I wish that were not true but I can see your point.
    Why would you want Alvin to return? Even as a child he was a pain. And as an adult he was the devil himself.

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    • #32
      It has not been confirmed if he was the grand master or not to my knowledge. I'd like him to return because my Geralt was like a father to him and had grown attached to him.

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      • #33
        @Drag0ntamerPosted something for you in:http://tw1.thewitcher.com/forum/inde...topic=5445.315Check it out.

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        • #34
          Well, guess there is no point in denying it. I should just accept it as a great plot twist.

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          • #35
            I'm almost sure that TW2 will touch upon Alvin/GM plot but chances of meeting Alvin/GM are very very low. And it's not because he was killed at the end of The Witcher. I will try to explain my opinion on this matter:To understand why Alvin won't make a return we have to try to grasp to concept of time. Easiest way to explain this is to assume that time is a river and it flows in one direction so we cannot reverse it but a source like Alvin can jump around points in time however they are still bound by their destiny. If time is indeed a river than we can assume that all the points in time take place all the time (e.g When Geralt defeats GM at the same moment but at a different point in time Alvin in Murky Waters moves back in time and at the same moment Geralt at a different point in time is found alive and so on. Because At all times at a all points in the river of time there is water that fills it). So GM in our point in time ( When we as the players play the game) is Alvin that comes from a different point in time. A point at which he was a little boy in Murky Waters. When he disappeared ha traveled to our point in time and became the Grand Master. So GM that we kill is Alvin from a future point in time and our Alvin is yet to become the GM. So why we won't be able to see Alvin again? Because we are already past the point of his death in the river of time. This raises another question: What if Alvin from our time (after he went back to the past to become GM) figured out that he would fail and die, wouldn't he be able to change his fate? No... and yes. He wouldn't be able to change it because it is his destiny, no matter how hard you try you cannot avoid it but if we take it from another angle and presume that yes we can change destiny and yes Alvin could change his fate and survive it still wouldn't affect our point in time because it is already past the moment where GM died and we cannot reverse the flow of the river of time. If Alvin manged to find out what fate has in store for him then at the point where he found out the time would split. The river would split into 2 streams creating 2 separate timeliness which would result in parallel universe being created because it would lead to completely different events that could not happen in the original stream of the river. This means that if Alvin ever found out about his death in the future and such he wouldn't be able to travel to the point in future where our Geralt lives because he is now following a different direction from the original timeline. So any other Alvin's in the river of time will either follow the original river and die or divert at one point and enter the new parallel universe.Even if our Alvin went back to a point in the original river to stop himself from creating the parallel universe and succeeded thus destroying the new parallel universe it would just lead to yet another split and creation of a new universe. Even if he went way back to the beginning out time and tried changing something there it would not have any effect on our point in time. I hope everyone understands this overly complex idea of mine. xD

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            • #36
              Third playthrough here. Just got into chapter 5, meeting the grand master in the swamps. The subtext of what he says to Geralt is just brilliant, and leaves no doubt in my mind that Alvin is the grand master. He's teasing him about Geralt's indecision, his unwillingness to take a stance, and Geralt repeatedly replies that he doesn't understand. It's just amazing what I've missed in my previous playthroughs because my habit of not paying close attention to dialog.

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              • #37
                we can suspect that he is, some important things like the necklace, skills, seeing the future and maybe some of the lines reforce that, i think it ll be explain in TW2.... but it is a nice plot twist.

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                • #38
                  The King of the Wild Hunt alludes to the Grand Master having another identity if you choose the second option of letting him take his soul, he doesn't outright say it though.

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                  • #39
                    I'd reckon the Alvin/Grandmaster identity crisis is more easily explained as a ruse to start the mob into hysteria about the Prophecy. The lost boy mentioned in Chapter V could be the original Alvin that the Grandmaster used to kickstart the political battle, all the information relaying back to the GM and used against Geralt as emotional collaterol, which Geralt dismisses as words once he's in dialogue with the KotWH. With the Grandmaster alluded to knowing Triss a bit better than the other Officials, maybe the Sisters are more conceited in the aftermath of the Nilfheim war and Triss an effective agent in a more ellaborate plot.

                    Personally I dismissed the whole temporal loop thing, there were too many political aspects for that scenario and I feel it'd be tantamount to the "t'was all just a dream" ending type.

                    Noting the former, it'd be a strange case of Babysitter blues for the GM to "know" Triss. In the end (at least the Neutral ending) Triss became the new advisor to Foltest, a very prestigious post, in unusual circumstances.

                    I haven't played TW2 o.O

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                    • #40
                      Alvin could be Grand master, but there are some facts which are against it. Alvin should hate Salamandra more than elves. They have chased him all time and Salamandra also wanted to kill people who have helped him. So why would Alvin /GM cooperate with this organisation? Why should GM hide his identity when he met Gerald and even before death?

                      The final murder doesn´t make sense to me at all and I am missing choice here. I also think that the last part of this game was finished in hurry and so there are some clues lead to nowhere and some other are missing. One of this moments may be appearing Alvin on Ice Plains. The game stops and than ... nothing happens.

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                      • #41
                        Stockholm (Salamandra) Syndrome?

                        I think the whole scenario was a finely crafted ruse created by the purient Order in contrast to romantic tales and prophecies of nonhumans. An ethnic cleansing justified by greed and paranoia. Alvin was an agent of this through the Grand Masters' manipulation to incriminate the nonhumans as the perpetrators of humanities devolution by using him as a conduit of his power to sow the Elven Prophecy of Ithlinne. The humans would respond to the nonhumans' stories as a threat to their future, therefor justifying the purge of all things non-order. A similar trick to that which The Reverend tried in The Outskirts to expunge non-racists and magical threats.

                        The amulet I think is part of the emotional manipulation the Grand Master had hoped to spell Geralt with, as Geralt becomes the hero figure to Alvin, maybe Geralt would offer piety in the Grand Masters conjecture (instead of a Silver Sword.)

                        A brainwashed warchild makes more sense to me than The Loopers' plot-line ^.^

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                        • #42
                          I am almost convinced that Alvis is the GM,but there is a small thing i don't understand,regarding physics:


                          Alvin teleported at the end of act IV.So,if Alvin=GM,then he had to go back in time,so he could grow up and become GM by the time the game takes place.

                          It is also known that the GM actually manipulated the salamandra.

                          But,the Salamandra chased Alvin during the game.So,why did the GM chase himself?And how can there be two Alvins at the same time?Finally,i think i heard the GM's name around act II...


                          Other than that,everything else points that GM=Alvin.And since this is a cliffhanger that won't be explored again,i like to accept this theory.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by dimbismp
                            I am almost convinced that Alvis is the GM,but there is a small thing i don't understand,regarding physics:


                            Alvin teleported at the end of act IV.So,if Alvin=GM,then he had to go back in time,so he could grow up and become GM by the time the game takes place.

                            It is also known that the GM actually manipulated the salamandra.

                            But,the Salamandra chased Alvin during the game.So,why did the GM chase himself?And how can there be two Alvins at the same time?Finally,i think i heard the GM's name around act II...
                            Because he knew that it had to happen that way because it HAD happened? It was the sequence of events that led to him unlocking his ability to time-travel. Fairly common in time-travel stories.

                            On there being two at once, time-travel tradition seems mixed on it. They never actually met each other, so it would probably have been safe in most versions of such stories.

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