I asked you what the benefits are, gameplay wise, for third person, with specific regards to open world games. You still haven't answered that.
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I agree with you that some people are being over dramatic but CDPR did originally tell them that they had the option switch between both.
More like, "We made a piece of art, and we'd like you to enjoy it, but if you can't physically abide it, then we're sorry, but we cannot accomodate you. Do you get mad at roller coasters for enforcing a height limit? Are you mad at musicians because deaf people can't experience their work? Are you mad that people with epilepsy can't play video games?
In the first place, a players' perspective has to serve gameplay. It has to allow for optimal player control and superior viewing angles. And when you're talking about a Witcher game, where you're swinging around swords in all directions and casting AOE signs, a third person perspective enhances player control and viewing angles. However, when you take a game like Cyberpunk, where you end up shooting guns, which involves aiming, looking through scopes and twitch reactions, you're simply better off with a first person perspective. And on top of that, there's also parkour elements like wall-climbing, which requires enormous precision regarding movement.
Secondly, I'd like to address that the players' perpective impacts storytelling, both narrative and environmental, and it can determine whether you're fully immersed in a video game. If CD project red thinks it's important to have the camera head high for narrative storytelling purposes, I'd have to agree. You'd want to feel like you're in a conversation and see a characters' facial expression. And while that's entirely possible in a TPP game, you'd have to bring the camera down to achieve that. But the biggest factors at play are environmental storytelling and immersion. CD project red wants to show you environments from up close, because the environment isn't as wide and open as in the Witcher. For example, where a burnt down village told a story in the witcher, it might be a monitor or smartphone in Cyberpunk. You simply have to be up close to even see the environment they want you to see. And immersion-wise, cybernetic enhancements that allow for HUD elements wouldn't work in third person perspective, because that's not how the character sees it.
If you get motion sickness because of a first person perspective, note that I sincerely hope they allow you to switch between FPP and TPP. If you disagree with anything I said, I'd love to hear about it in a polite manner.
Secondly, I'd like to address that the players' perpective impacts storytelling, both narrative and environmental, and it can determine whether you're fully immersed in a video game. If CD project red thinks it's important to have the camera head high for narrative storytelling purposes, I'd have to agree. You'd want to feel like you're in a conversation and see a characters' facial expression. And while that's entirely possible in a TPP game, you'd have to bring the camera down to achieve that. But the biggest factors at play are environmental storytelling and immersion. CD project red wants to show you environments from up close, because the environment isn't as wide and open as in the Witcher. For example, where a burnt down village told a story in the witcher, it might be a monitor or smartphone in Cyberpunk. You simply have to be up close to even see the environment they want you to see. And immersion-wise, cybernetic enhancements that allow for HUD elements wouldn't work in third person perspective, because that's not how the character sees it.
If you get motion sickness because of a first person perspective, note that I sincerely hope they allow you to switch between FPP and TPP. If you disagree with anything I said, I'd love to hear about it in a polite manner.
Alternatively, i could not do that, which is also your option with this game. You are not entitled to experience a game just because you WANT to. If you cannot physically do it, it's not CD Projekt's problem or responsibility to address it.
I know i'm coming off as a dick, but seriously, they owe you NOTHING. You also owe them NOTHING in return. We as an audience are not entitled to their art. if we cant physically participate, or are too poor, or whatever, it's not OWED to us to participate in it.
There are also people with other "disabilities" that won't be able to play this game. Should the game be made for everyone? Well, sorry but no. It's impossible. Someone will always be unhappy. You can't play it? I feel sorry for you, but you are at the very same spot as the guy without arms. The fact you're unlucky doesn't mean that people who like FPP should play TPP because of you.
And TPP vs FPP means two different combat settings. It's pretty much two different game. At this stage of development it's most likely impossible.
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Yeah I am definitely not saying the game is ruined or anything like that. At this point while I still want a third person perspective option (and it seems most here do also) my main concern is for people like youtuber MadQueen who are extremely passionate about this game and may not be able to play it.
Even saying that I realize CDPR can only do so much...it's just knowing how excited I've been for this game and then seeing someone like MadQueen who cried watching the trailer and it turns out she may not be able to play it really sucks.
Yea saying you guys went with FP view for immersion doesn’t make sense at all. Very subjective. For whose immersion? Yours or ours? As others have said I don’t wanna be inside my character. Direct control of my character adds to my immersion and makes me feel I’m IN the world. It’d be great to take into account each and every fan’s view of this and not just half. Why not appeal to your old and new fans? No real argument can justify why this is.
Its the harsh truth no one want's to hear. If i had no hands, is CD Projekt obligated to make the entire game voice controlled just so i can experience it? Absolutely not.
There will come a day when all of us cannot enjoy the games we want to enjoy. It is not a developer's responsibility to cater to us.
People who think it's simple have no clue what kind of work goes into games. There's a reason dev teams are hundreds of people strong. it's WORK.
more I think about this matter, more I am convinced that this was a decision based on "what is easier to do"
when you make TPP you have to make character movement, walking runing, holstering weapon etc and you have to do that for both male and female in this game, then you have jumpng and running on walls (which i dont like that much, tried it in titanfall). In FPP you literally dont have to do any of that, player is just floating/sliding through air
and all of you who says "its CDPR, they will do what is best", news flash, they are human and they can make mistakes, witcher 3 was great game but it wasnt flawless.
choice between TPP and FPP is the way to go here, and I believe that CDPR already wanted to do that, come back to your first decision
when you make TPP you have to make character movement, walking runing, holstering weapon etc and you have to do that for both male and female in this game, then you have jumpng and running on walls (which i dont like that much, tried it in titanfall). In FPP you literally dont have to do any of that, player is just floating/sliding through air
and all of you who says "its CDPR, they will do what is best", news flash, they are human and they can make mistakes, witcher 3 was great game but it wasnt flawless.
choice between TPP and FPP is the way to go here, and I believe that CDPR already wanted to do that, come back to your first decision
We know there are tons of great FPP rpgs, the thing is there are no open world TPP sci fi/cyberpunk rpgs
If CDPR decides to stick with their stance on FPP, I'll respect that. Staying true to what you believe in. However, I personally would prefer of having the option of both FPP and TPP. I envisioned playing this in TPP and only going into FPP when I need to like I have with Fallout 3, New Vegas and Skyrim.
Sadly, if it's only FPP, I'll pass on this game. Just consider it a second thought at the least.
Sadly, if it's only FPP, I'll pass on this game. Just consider it a second thought at the least.
I mean, i get it, especially for people with bad motion sickness, it sucks. I just think that the people who DONT flal into that camp and are arguing based on nebulous gameplay or aesthetic reasons really need to wait for actual gameplay before throwing a fit. this thread is 60 pages long in 6 hours and 80% of it is "Third person is better because mumble mumble mumble". THAT to me isn't valid criticisim when we don't even ahve any info on actual gameplay. It's a reactionary bristling against a comfort zone and I'm not about that. Im just thinking that most people who don't ahave a physical barrier to playing the game should probably calm down and actually wait and see how it looks in person.
FWIW, If she could play Prey, I can't imagine that this game is more chaotic in terms of motion than an omnidirectional shooter in space.
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Also something to look at: A very popular YouTube and one of your biggest supporters for years for this game especially.She looked visibly heart broken.
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FPP and voice acting can still immerse you in a character pretty damn well.
At least that's what the voices in my head are telling me.
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