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Perhaps the colour scheme itself reflects the tacky corporate advertising tactic? A bit tasteless, perhaps? (The straw probably costs extra.)

Tasteless? Nah don t think so... more like abolutely shamelessly presented. As expected from
a corporation. But aren t ALL corpo ads like that??
Question is....
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does it look "bigger" with RTX on? (jk ofc) :D
 
I just hope CDPR don't lose focus because of these wannabe critics. CDPR have so far done a great job in depicting the human condition in their games, and for me this is one of the key elements which adds value to their work, bringing them closer to works of art than commercial products.
 
Welp, unsold. By putting this in the game, they're making a political statement intentional or not, and I'm out. Bye.

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I can imagine this causing some fuss, but since its only a minor image on the background, it goes on to build a varied and interesting world. I don't personally need to pretend that this sort of thing doesn't exist.
 
Ads like that remind me of (which I always felt was VERY cyberpunk):



It's not exactly sensitive in our REAL world, but exploitative, vulgar and aggressive enough for a FICTIONAL cyberpunk world, which is ruled by mega-corporations that dictate everything.

So I hope common sense will prevail and people will realize the difference.
 

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That's a purchasable implant. Men can also buy the reverse...

All I can say is bleahhh

[Edit] No RL politics, please.
 
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Ads like that remind me of (which I always felt was VERY cyberpunk):

Yeap, I remember that one.

Although you make a point, I think that any fictional setting can exist without racism. Its enough to create class differences via money, education, upbringing, etc. Drama needs differences and conflict, hero needs wrongs to right, the cyberpunk world needs to have inequality between the elite and the poor. Racism doesn't need to factor into this. It can be conveniently side-stepped. For as long as its mentioned, it exists.
 
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Regarding Redesiuks comment:

"I would say it was never the intention to offend anyone,” Redesiuk said. “However, with this image of an oversexualized person, we did want to show how oversexualization of people is bad. And that’s it.”

How is it bad though? I don't see anything bad in the advertisement or actually any advertisement. The society seems to be way more alright with desires than nowadays and companies fulfill that demand and advertise possibilities of modifications and whatnot connected to these desires. Seems positive and good to me and in no way bad.
 
Female V:

“Jackie, I’ve just installed a new augment and I’m about to turn left. You’d better duck, because I don’t want to smack you with mah dick.”

:ROFLMAO: I’ve always loved that DBZA joke.

I think it’s awesome you’d be able to put new pieces on and take them for a ride to see how they’d feel. I’m rather fond of my own, but if i’d ever find myself in Night City, a weekend of swapping bodies with a partner for fun and giggles would be high up on my bucket list.

I'd take a sip of what is advertised on that poster!
 
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Hey,
I think that hate/whatever on such pictures in CP is somewhat not necessary.

Surely, CP could/should be like 69+ age restricted, because of basically everything what happens in the game;
and could/should be considered complety anti-human crime againts the morales and everything - from one point of view,
although as nobody forces people to buy, play or even passively watch any materials about it, I guess that it's ok if targeted comminity enjoys it.

I think that there are plenty of other real life materials - I guess mostly tv commercials, some billboards, etc.. which are much more provocative. People have them in sight as they walk by and so are passively forced to watch it.

Just chill out guys... :)
 
Yeap, I remember that one.

Although you make a point, I think that any fictional setting can exist without racism. Its enough to create class differences via money, education, upbringing, etc. Drama needs differences, hero needs wrongs to right, the cyberpunk world needs to have inequality between the elite and the poor. Racism doesn't need to factor into this. It can be conveniently side-stepped. For as long as its mentioned, it exists.
Fair enough. Not saying put that into CP77. And I don't think the bulge girl is in the same category as "white is coming". But when it comes to tasteless and vulgar, it's not always clear where to draw the line. And if it's used in artistic way. It can be very satirical like in RoboCop: gigantomania, consumerism, dehumanization, violence, sexualization.

There's also risk of moralizing too much and ending up sanitizing the world. Stripping cyberpunk of the edge. For me it's more than just colorful nails and crazy hairstyles. It's a world of divide, of contrast, of vulgarity, of crime and inequality. Terminal capitalism.
 
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Regarding Redesiuks comment:
How is it bad though? I don't see anything bad in the advertisement or actually any advertisement. The society seems to be way more alright with desires than nowadays and companies fulfill that demand and advertise possibilities of modifications and whatnot connected to these desires. Seems positive and good to me and in no way bad.

I wouldn't be hard-pressed to come up with examples of how it could be bad. In a society as cut-throat as Night City, it would be easy to tip these things over into nightmare territory. Prostitution done only as a way to survive, can go horribly wrong. You might be forced to take on body modification that your pimp selects, with your original body or choices thrown into the trash.
Changing bodyparts in/out without a good core idea of your own identity, could also turn people into junkies that seek self-fulfilment in appearances. If you've had a bad upbringing and are dealing with self-esteem issues, changing gender, skin-color, or physical appearance to flee that reality, is also no substitute for happiness and can turn you into a good-looking wreck.

Sure, there's nothing INHERENTLY wrong in those advertisements, but I'd be curious to see how the inhabitants of Night City wield them for right and wrong. I'm pessimistic.
"Are you unhappy with your life? Buy our augments!"

All superficiality (and hypersexuality) without the core depth, is an insidious place to be.
 
I agree in regards to the underworld, sure that's awful but nothing special really. The organized crime was always awful, body modifications or not (and for the longest time they do exist, even though not to this extend). And I can imagine that what male and female pimps in Night City can do to people they "own" is pretty horrendous but for me it's just about the advertisement itself and the possibility of modification in itself. Maybe you are right that there are people who turn themselves into junkies, by adjusting themselves time and time again but what about the others, the people that augment themselves and truly get from unhappy to happy? I mean all the modifications wouldn't exist without a demand, wouldn't eixst when everyone is still unhappy after getting a murder-dick.
 
Bulge this, bulge that...how about ermmm.....THIS?

i don t know Gregski i can t help myself imagine she would do that thing
with me, that those antivampire do in Blade2, you know the ones that can
"unfold" their whole yaw. Not sure how i feel about it.

Regarding the ad, well you know how obscessed ppls are with schlongs
and in special the dimension. Which brings me back to the urge to
Quote Monty Python here *lulz*
 
I’m astonished that people actually pay so much attention to trivialities like this.

Dunno. That thing doesn't measure up as a triviality to me. :sneaky:


what about the others, the people that augment themselves and truly get from unhappy to happy? I mean all the modifications wouldn't exist without a demand, wouldn't eixst when everyone is still unhappy after getting a murder-dick.

Those people exist too and I fully acknowledge all the good augments like that can do for a society.

It's like any other invention. It can have both positive and negative influences on a society and it's all a matter of how we choose to wield it, which is the most interesting theme to explore. Acknowledging it has drawbacks, in no way is a call to abolish it, or to deny all the good it can do.


As to product demand existing because it makes people happy? I don't think that's how capitalism and commercialism works.

Look at the products currently in our society. Take for instance, perfume. You'll see it advertised by a tall, svelte model lying on a tropical beach. Why though? It's not like buying the perfume and spraying it onto yourself, will get you a model, will turn you into a model, or transport you to a tropical beach. All these secondary images in the commercial, are there to impart additional qualities upon the perfume that it does not inherently possess. It makes you smell nice, yes, but the manufacturer also wants you to associate buying the perfume with beauty and exoticism - that buying the perfume somehow elevates you into making your life better. Purchasing the perfume associates YOU with models and beauty.

Sometimes a product exists because people THINK it will make them happy for all the other qualities that advertisement and society imparts on it.


Same goes for Night City's bodily augments. To some, these augments are truly the only thing missing in their lives. I'm not saying it doesn't. Imagine being an army veteran missing a leg. An augment will truly make up for many of the things that missing a leg would entail. I'd still argue however, that far more people will buy these augments because they THINK it'll make them happy, for all the additional qualities that advertisement and societal norms have imparted on it.

That's consumerism in a nutshell, within our society, and definitely in a society like Cyberpunk 2077 by the looks of it. Mike Pondsmith (I think) already said that people without augments are looked down upon.
 
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Those people exist too and I fully acknowledge all the good augments like that can do for a society.

It's like any other invention. It can have both positive and negative influences on a society and it's all a matter of how we choose to wield it, which is the most interesting theme to explore. Acknowledging it has drawbacks, in no way is a call to abolish it, or to deny all the good it can do.

As to product demand existing because it makes people happy? I don't think that's how capitalism and commercialism works.

Look at the products currently in our society. Take for instance, perfume. You'll see it advertised by a tall, svelte model lying on a tropical beach. Why though? It's not like buying the perfume and spraying it onto yourself, will get you a model, will turn you into a model, or transport you to a tropical beach. All these secondary images in the commercial, are there to impart additional qualities upon the perfume that it does not inherently possess. It makes you smell nice, yes, but the manufacturer also wants you to associate buying the perfume with beauty and exoticism - that buying the perfume somehow elevates you into making your life better. Purchasing the perfume associates YOU with models and beauty.

Sometimes a product exists because people THINK it will make them happy for all the other qualities that advertisement and society imparts on it.

Same goes for Night City's bodily augments. To some, these augments are truly the only thing missing in their lives. I'm not saying it doesn't. Imagine being an army veteran missing a leg. An augment will truly make up for many of the things that missing a leg would entail. I'd still argue however, that far more people will buy these augments because they THINK it'll make them happy, for all the additional qualities that advertisement and societal norms have imparted on it.

That's consumerism in a nutshell, within our society, and definitely in a society like Cyberpunk 2077 by the looks of it. Mike Pondsmith (I think) already said that people without augments are looked down upon.

Acknowledging drawbacks is fine but the artist specifially mentioned that the advertisement shows "how oversexualization of people is bad" but I can neither see that in the picture itself, nor in the context of the world of Night City. What you mentioned, especially in the world of crime, is reasonable and it would be cool to see that in the game, forced augmentation for the profit of a few. I only see an issue with the generalization of either that augmentation or the oversexualization itself being bad, because that's pretty shortsighted.

Concerning demand existing because it makes people happy, well yes I do think that is how it works. Not for the specific company product itself like "Arasaka Steel Dick" but no one would sell such enhancements if there isn't a desire for it. Perfume is a good example. People want to modify their smell, so an industry build around products that enable that. Everyone knows that they don't become a (uhm, what's "svelte"?) tall blonde or that they won't be transported to a beach but as you say, that's additional. The desire of changing the smell itself is independend of that BUT perfumes have different ingrediences that definitly can make you think of exotic places. Also, when I am looking to buy something and fulfill a need of me, I don't just want to look at something plain and don't know what to think about it. But just because the ad shows more than the plain product it doesn't mean the product wouldn't exist because of the happiness it creates in the first place. Of course there are exceptions and there are bad versions of a product.
 
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