Welp, This game is never coming out. Feels like someone important got fired for something serious.
Hope I'm wrong but my gut is undefeated.
Hope I'm wrong but my gut is undefeated.
CDPR went headhunting for Cyberpunk two times, first in 2013 and then after Witcher 3. I mentioned that CP2077 was shelved in order to finish Witcher 3 and every hired for CP2077 developer had to be moved to Witcher 3, it's not a kept secret.First, CDPR began developing CP2077 after they finished with Witcher 3. They were upfront about that to the public, no drama could have been extracted from that. [edit]: Going through the timeline, the earliest recruitment drives by CDPR that mention Cyberpunk 2077 that I could find, begin June last year. Months after the release of Blood and Wine.
Early june was a bit later than June 2nd.Not to mention that organizers were setting up protests in Europe in early June.
There is a difference, though. In open world usually mission maps are part of this open world and are not something you'd see in Deus Ex 1 but something smaller like missions from Deus Ex: Invisible War, everything is cramped together in an open world.Third, an open world map is really just a very, very big hubmap anyways.
That's not what I said and this sentence is irrelevant.And no, XBOne is not a limiting factor there. Wild Hunt released on XBOne, which means that the devs know the limits of that system already.
It's an assumption that I made based on strange behavior from CDPR.Fourth, the game being unfinished. This is pure assertion from a standpoint of zero knowledge.
Holy crap, they still haven't change it back.To be frank this strange behaviour is not something that is new. It started with the controvercy when they switched the game from RPG to story-action adventure in social networks meanwhile claiming the game is a RPG first and Foremost.
CDPR went headhunting for Cyberpunk two times, first in 2013 and then after Witcher 3. I mentioned that CP2077 was shelved in order to finish Witcher 3 and every hired for CP2077 developer had to be moved to Witcher 3, it's not a kept secret.
Early june was a bit later than June 2nd.
There is a difference, though. In open world usually mission maps are part of this open world and are not something you'd see in Deus Ex 1 but something smaller like missions from Deus Ex: Invisible War, everything is cramped together in an open world.
It's an assumption that I made based on strange behavior from CDPR.
To be frank this strange behaviour is not something that is new. It started with the controvercy when they switched the game from RPG to story-action adventure in social networks meanwhile claiming the game is a RPG first and Foremost.
I mean the game will be good we all know it
Is Cyberpunk 2077 an immersive sim? I don't really think so. It does not seem to rely on systemic gameplay, really, nor has any of the qualities I'd say define a game as an "immersive sim". Furthermore, if I remember correctly (and do tell me so if I'm wrong), a dev said that the game has "immersive sim elements" but is not an immersive sim.How in the hell is that even a controversy? You do know that immersive sims are a sub-genre of action-adventure, right?
Witcher 3 open world is half empty and cities are not big and have less NPC so this gen console can handle that, but if CP2077 is one big city with billion of NPC it is possible that this gen console can't handle that wherey well.
Is Cyberpunk 2077 an immersive sim? I don't really think so.
Furthermore they also have Assasin's Creed games on them, which are known for large crowds.
Except that 2013 teaser that was essentially a proposition to work on this new titleOf which there is no paper trail.
I.E. shelved Cyberpunk until better times, das rite.And indeed around that time CDPR also made the public statement of their internal schedule, of finishing Wild Hunt first.
Delaying for two weeks is an overreaction if I ever saw one if it's purely because of protests, not even Sony delayed for two weeks, only 1 week. But just enough to develop the game some more. Barely.First associated protests in Europe were on June 1st. Protests don't just happen spontaneously, but need to be organized. People need to know where and when to show up. It is highly likely that some of CDPRs staff would have been aware of the situation, being the type of person likely to attend such an event.
They would have then brought the idea to the attention of the company writ large.
Or, what is more likely, is that the world composition is most similar to CDPRs earlier work, with the Witchers. In this case being a iteration upon Wild Hunt.
You know if you play immersive sims how contradicting these statements are, don't you?How in the hell is that even a controversy? You do know that immersive sims are a sub-genre of action-adventure, right?
The entire witcher 3 development history and what @Mebrilia pointed out is no evidence. Ok, now you just trolling.Keyword; "Assumption." Based on no evidence and not even a solid theory of the events.
If you mean Origins and Odyssey both games are set in older time with maps big and empty, and Night City probably have more population then all of Origins and Odyssey.
Except that 2013 teaser that was essentially a proposition to work on this new title
I.E. shelved Cyberpunk until better times, das rite.
Delaying for two weeks is an overreaction if I ever saw one if it's purely because of protests, not even Sony delayed for two weeks, only 1 week. But just enough to develop the game some more. Barely.
You know if you play immersive sims how contradicting these statements are, don't you?
The entire witcher 3 development history and what @Mebrilia pointed out is no evidence. Ok, now you just trolling.
Look, you don't seem to understand how game engines work. 2077 won't load the whole of Night City into the operating memory. Just the bits you are near and then it won't draw the bits that you can't see.
Such gems as "We are not downgrading, we are optimizing" from witcher drama times or "It's an RPG!!!" regarding Cyberpunk are statements too, you know. Yet first was debunked and second contradicts twitter description. So sometimes one have to fish in a dirty water. ):No, it is not. Statements, demos and previews are evidence. Idle speculation isn't. Speculation isn't even a flipping anecdote. And since you shouldn't put too much stock in anecdotal evidence, you should put precisely none into sub-anecdotal conspiracy theorizing.
Critical thinking is not trolling, it's the bare minimum of intellectual integrity.
IIRC devs confessed some time ago they can't work on two games in parallel because CP2077 was getting too ambitious and Witcher 3 was too unfinished so they moved the cyberpunk crew and reallocated all resources on one game.Shelving implies a change of schedule. No evidence of such.
'tis why they announced they will work on cyberpunk in 2012 and witcher 3 in 2013. You won, 'grats.Shelving implies a change of schedule. No evidence of such.
'Dis I didn't know, yes. But quarantine is not an excuse since every event so far was online-only to prevent possible covid-19 infection spread.Pushing the date by a week would have put NCW on the 18th, which is a few days from the solstice, commonly celebrated as Saint John's Eve by Catholics, Anglicans and Lutherans in Europe. Well, originally, nowdays it has gone secular and is a popular holiday. Especially in Central and Northern Europe. In places like Poland.
Effectively pushing the date by a week, ment pushing it into a holiday week. When it was likely that many employees had scheduled their summer breaks. Doubly so since the quarantines across Europe were beginning to be lifted.
The original Deus Ex is mission based rpg-immersive sim hybrid. Cyberpunk is open world with Witcher 3-like map from your own words. Witcher 3-esque open world is not exactly immersive-sim friendly so it should be an RPG with such elements then. Yet twitter says otherwise. Not immersive sim, not RPG, just FPS with abilities and leveling/perks? "We are not downgrading" again?The original Deus Ex was a rpg-immersive sim hybrid, so no. Nothing contradictory here.
While still kinda surprised by another delay its pretty understandable why it got pushed to november, if y'all remember they couldn't even record all the VA for day one on disk in time for september.
And i'm pretty sure there are other structural problems other than fixing bugs and optimizations that really worry me.
Anyway, PrEoRder CanCelED emirite?
Such gems as "We are not downgrading, we are optimizing" from witcher drama times or "It's an RPG!!!" regarding Cyberpunk are statements too, you know. Yet first was debunked and second contradicts twitter description. So sometimes one have to fish in a dirty water. ):