[NSFW maybe] Sex scenes: Why can't they be more realistic / raw?

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Howdy,

So obviously, I'm asking this for science (if you believe that at all. Wink, wink ;))

But seriously, since CP2077 will be sold in more countries than The Witcher was, the game now has to deal with nations where censorship is (in my opinion) done over the top. Thankfully, I come from one where that is not the case (I think).

It seems the game will keep its promise and still let you customize your precious thing. But according to Kotaku here, sex scenes will be implied sex instead of depicted sex.

CP2077's decision to stay first-person and offer sex scenes from that perspective is very sweet~~because that could offer some super duper immersive stuffs like none before. But it seems to defeat its own purpose when it settles for this: "“the game contains no depictions of actual sexual activity nor does it contain explicit and realistic depictions of simulated sexual activity”." quoted from ESRB.

I imagine some of you who have done it know this: it is very hard to not see you and your partner's precious things touching each other (briefly) when you're doing it. But that's what implied sex means. You can't see it.

What's the point of customizing my genitals if I can't see how it works during sex?
What's point of customizing my gun if I can't see it while it's firing? :shrug:
You didn't censor heads exploding. So why would you censor cherries popping?
 
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because content needs to be sold in nations and nations are operated by people, people whose sensibilities are very sensitive to the ickiness of sex because sex is icky.

but the violence of war isn't. it serves a purpose.
 
wow.

nudity doesn't equate to sex. So having the option to customise your genitals doesn't mean it's there so you can fiddle with them.

This also isn't a sex simulator game. If you're here for that, i've got some bad news.

I'm sure someone will mod in something, so just wait. But don't hold your breath for CDPR to spend time on this.
 
@Interitus but...you couldn't customise your genitals in the Witcher games and all of those had motion captured sex scenes. (and i think the same couple who mo-capped the sex in the Witcher is doing it for CP2077.) i think the question is getting at 'why go at all if you're gonna stop short?' and 'if you are stopping short, wassup?'

it's still a valid question and topic.
 
that is in and of it self not feasible because games are supposed to target the widest demographic possible for profit.
including explicit sex scenes will shoot the age group classification of the game and severely limit it.
more over you'll get all the prudes and people itching for a something to scream at the top of their lungs at this to grab their torches and pitchforks for a pogrom/lynching, because sex = big nono, but exploding body parts, excessive viscera, etc = acceptable.
because people are, Insane in the membrane, Insane in the brain!.
 
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@satyrsangre

Witcher sex scenes were different. And the sex scenes themselves wasn't anything different than you might see in a R rated movie. The full nudity is seen after sex. There is literally footage of naked Geralt and he looks like a Ken doll.

And you answered the part I skipped because I thought you covered it. Countries have different laws regarding this. Implied sex is different from visible sex. Nudity is different from sex. Sex between people of the same gender is outright illegal in some places.

Then there are all the different scenes that would have to be repeated for various genitalia combos from both partners.

It's extra work, potentially more trouble with censors with what in return? So some players can get their rocks off on it?
 
I think FPP might take you out of seeing yours and your partners genitals meeting . If you and your partner are both looking down watching it sounds like a good chance you might bang heads :ROFLMAO: If the Devs have you kissing or cuddling they could easily not show genitals and avoid trouble with censors .

The way they did it in TW3 was ok by me but the big question is with the chance of two girls or two guys having sex will they change positions to suit ?
 
Then there are all the different scenes that would have to be repeated for various genitalia combos from both partners.
this point, from a game design perspective, is really the only one that matters. i was waiting for someone to bring it up.

everything else is just a by-nation circumstance of their own leadership's/cultural perspective on sex acts...and how that sex act is okay but that sex act is icky and we don't discuss that other sex act ad infinitum.
 
Don't forget the rating for the game. Some sexual stuff might bump the rating to adult only. Which is not that good for selling, especially since CDPR is not a porn industry company.
 
Anytime this kind of question pops up in the forum the answer is always the publisher wants to maintain a rating that allows the game to be accessible to most consumers.
 
Everyone is talking about the age rating. But what about the amount of time (and money) needed to create a realistic experience that works with every gender combination? That's not even feasible. Instead, an easy fix is to still have the sex scene in first person, but during that time, the camera is fixed and turned away from "down there".
 
I could argue that it's more life-like than most games with romance. When there are actual sexual preferences to the NPCs and the " romance " is not just collecting points until they agree to shag with you. Romance is tackled more realistically in CP2077 than in most games. Its even more complex than the Witcher.

I'm not that invested in this convo. My point was I would rather they spend time on other things. What you do with your game relationships is your business.
 
Howdy,

So obviously, I'm asking this for science (if you believe that at all. Wink, wink ;))

But seriously, since CP2077 will be sold in more countries than The Witcher was, the game now has to deal with nations where censorship is (in my opinion) done over the top. Thankfully, I come from one where that is not the case (I think).

It seems the game will keep its promise and still let you customize your precious thing. But according to Kotaku here, sex scenes will be implied sex instead of depicted sex.

CP2077's decision to stay first-person and offer sex scenes from that perspective is very sweet~~because that could offer some super duper immersive stuffs like none before. But it seems to defeat its own purpose when it settles for this: "“the game contains no depictions of actual sexual activity nor does it contain explicit and realistic depictions of simulated sexual activity”." quoted from ESRB.

I imagine some of you who have done it know this: it is very hard to not see you and your partner's precious things touching each other (briefly) when you're doing it. But that's what implied sex means. You can't see it.

What's the point of customizing my genitals if I can't see how it works during sex?
What's point of customizing my gun if I can't see it while it's firing? :shrug:
You didn't censor heads exploding. So why would you censor cherries popping?
That makes lots of sense

because content needs to be sold in nations and nations are operated by people, people whose sensibilities are very sensitive to the ickiness of sex because sex is icky.

but the violence of war isn't. it serves a purpose.
This is sarcasm... right? I'm not sure, so I'm just asking.
wow.

nudity doesn't equate to sex. So having the option to customise your genitals doesn't mean it's there so you can fiddle with them.

This also isn't a sex simulator game. If you're here for that, i've got some bad news.

I'm sure someone will mod in something, so just wait. But don't hold your breath for CDPR to spend time on this.
I am looking forward to the mods that will come out.
@Interitus but...you couldn't customise your genitals in the Witcher games and all of those had motion captured sex scenes. (and i think the same couple who mo-capped the sex in the Witcher is doing it for CP2077.) i think the question is getting at 'why go at all if you're gonna stop short?' and 'if you are stopping short, wassup?'

it's still a valid question and topic.
gotta agree with this.
that is in and of it self not feasible because games are supposed to target the widest demographic possible for profit.
including explicit sex scenes will shoot the age group classification of the game and severely limit it.
more over you'll get all the prudes and people itching for a something to scream at the top of their lungs at this to grab their torches and pitchforks for a pogrom/lynching, because sex = big nono, but exploding body parts, excessive viscera, etc = acceptable.
because people are, Insane in the membrane, Insane in the brain!.
I think the most logical thing to do in an illogical world, is just to ignore the angry mob and do what's logical anyway. As in, I hope we can just have some good content like that in game. I'm not going to hold my breath too much, but I will share my opinion further down.
@satyrsangre

Witcher sex scenes were different. And the sex scenes themselves wasn't anything different than you might see in a R rated movie. The full nudity is seen after sex. There is literally footage of naked Geralt and he looks like a Ken doll.

And you answered the part I skipped because I thought you covered it. Countries have different laws regarding this. Implied sex is different from visible sex. Nudity is different from sex. Sex between people of the same gender is outright illegal in some places.

Then there are all the different scenes that would have to be repeated for various genitalia combos from both partners.

It's extra work, potentially more trouble with censors with what in return? So some players can get their rocks off on it?
It really depends on how they code it. There are some shortcuts that could theoretically be taken to make it possible with less work than what we may think, but it's not a guarantee, just a possibility.
I think FPP might take you out of seeing yours and your partners genitals meeting . If you and your partner are both looking down watching it sounds like a good chance you might bang heads :ROFLMAO: If the Devs have you kissing or cuddling they could easily not show genitals and avoid trouble with censors .

The way they did it in TW3 was ok by me but the big question is with the chance of two girls or two guys having sex will they change positions to suit ?
This is actually a really good question and I'm curious how the game will handle when I make my dream character (if CDPR allows me to create them in the character creator) I want to make a fully female V, and she has female downstairs parts, but also she has the male parts right above that, so classic "Futa" (don't google that it's not safe for work and contains adult 18+ content in the USA). So I want to create, what I can best use words to describe as female-futa V (Male futa is possible too, technically, but I'm going with female-futa V) and I'm curious if Cyberpunk2077 handles that differently in terms of positions like you mentioned, or if the positions are randomized since = all equipment = more position possibilities or something, or if Cyberpunk2077 really doesn't even show anything, like a full on 100% ZERO, NOTHING, then in that case I guess there are no positions no matter what anyone chooses? Hmmmm
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I kind of wish CDPR would create a version of the game that is heavily censored, and the rating is very easy to sell, and sell that 100% everywhere all over the world, and then specifically create a 100% uncensored version of Cyberpunk2077 that is their ABSOLUTE DREAM GAME, where they DO NOT HOLD BACK, AT ALL. Like full EMPHASIS, they just put EVERYTHING in, like EVERYTHING, they just make the most intense and COMPLETELY UNCENSORED experience possible, and it shows full adult scenes, and then simply sell that as a separate purchase or something, with a very "ADULT rating" and make it an 18 years of age or older ONLY purchase, and then just sell that only in countries where the country will allow it to be sold. Then they don't have to feel blocked from expressing themselves and creating the TRUE ART that is deep inside of them that they want to unleash. When a game is watered down or censored to please different places with different laws, the whole experience suffers, and everyone everywhere suffers. The fans suffer and watch their hopes and dreams become lesser. I want to see what a truly uncensored work of art, a masterpiece that comes right from CDPR's heart and soul, with love and passion, just right onto the canvas. No censorship, no self censorship out of fear or pleasing others demands about it being "too much".

I want to see CDPR fully UNCHAINED. I want to be UNCHAINED.

I think deep inside, everyone is sick and tired of being told what to do or what not to do by people who have no business trying to control the artists and the fans. You know what I mean? ( I'm not talking about moderators in any way, here have a big happy face 4 U :giggle:)

I hope that this will be a DLC one day.

If something like an 18 + Not Safe For Work ADULTS ONLY addon ever comes out as a DLC, I will likely buy it instantly, if it really offers a more TRUE experience.

I just hope that the modding tools are the greatest the world has ever seen, I want Cyberpunk2077 to have a modding community larger and better than skyrim's and minecraft's COMBINED. The modding tools need to be insanely good and also easy to use to make that possible. Cyberpunk2077's popularity will take it the rest of the way, I have no doubts.
If all I must do is move the mod files into a "/mods" folder and it "Just works" this will also make modding less painful. I do not consider Witcher 3 a good modding experience at all.

I just needed to express myself, and get that out. I just feel that it would be extremely painful for me if no DLC, and no Mods ever come out that expand upon this, and give all Adult 18+ players in the USA and wherever it is legal, the freedom the deserve and crave.
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I'm not that invested in this convo. My point was I would rather they spend time on other things. What you do with your game relationships is your business.
Well I would beg to differ... and the game is very life-like and contains a very alive-in-appearance world, making it very immersive, so as long as it makes the game more fun, I'm all for more in depth content. I would also go as far as to say that if it is our business, then it should also feel that way too, but it feels like it always becomes a situation about censorship slowly creeping in, and this always disappoints me. Am I right? am I wrong? and why? :shrug:
 
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Because if you get that dreaded Adults Only rating most retailers and online stores won't sell your game, massively reducing your profit. And what for? Having explicit sex scenes in a game that doesn't even center around that?

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the hypocrisy of it being ok to show someone getting ripped in half, eaten alive, crushed and all the other ways people die in a game like Mortal Kombat (MK9's Make A Wish fatality is still one of my favorites in the entire series) while sex is a big no no but that's how things are.

I can't really blame CDPR for it if they don't want to (because it's not that kind of game) and even if they did they can't unless they're keen on shooting themselves in the foot financially.
 
Because if you get that dreaded Adults Only rating most retailers and online stores won't sell your game, massively reducing your profit. And what for? Having explicit sex scenes in a game that doesn't even center around that?

I'm not saying I necessarily agree with the hypocrisy of it being ok to show someone getting ripped in half, eaten alive, crushed and all the other ways people die in a game like Mortal Kombat (MK9's Make A Wish fatality is still one of my favorites in the entire series) while sex is a big no no but that's how things are.

I can't really blame CDPR for it if they don't want to (because it's not that kind of game) and even if they did they can't unless they're keen on shooting themselves in the foot financially.
Please read my post, tell me what you think of my idea, even just as a theory? (the different versions, heavily censored vs 100% UNcensored)
 
I think the sex theme has been an overestimated subject over time... IMO we've been growing dreams of a "hardcore" mature game that would experience things beyond the lines of mainstream mature games : watching, hearing mature content, things that you wouldn't show to kids bcz too shocking, filthy or depressing (wink wink cyberpunk genre). But I think CP77 won't cross that line. There "may" be mature ideas showing but not in the form of graphic expression.

But you know guys that a full-view sex scenes (with flesh-sticks all out in action)... would be porn, right ? You aware there most likely won't be porn in that game right ?
 
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