Why Vivaldi Bank lacks a tag, like every other faction main tutor ?

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State of things :
Amphibious Assault - 13 prov, tag : Warfare, can be tutored with Natalis, weak condition (tutors ANYTHING under 9 prov, and boosts), and ECHO as well
NR tutor is extremely OP.

Blood Eagle - 12 prov, tag : Raid, can be tutored with The Guy Who Tutors Raids, weak condition (always works for OP SK bronzes, weak condition for every Warrior, some are very powerful gameswingers), and ECHO
SK tutor is very OP.

Naglfar - 9 prov, tag : Wild Hunt, can be tutored with Ranged Guy Who Tutors Wild Hunts. Some RNG factor to it, but you want golds mostly, unconditional thinning.
MO tutor is fine

Call of The Forest - 10 prov, Nature tag - play ANY faction unit, and boost it
Isengrims Council - 8 prov, also a Nature tag. Not so reliable as Call, but still, a Nature, and boosting
ST has 2 quite consistent tutors, than go through entire deck, and can be tutored with a Dryad tutor
that is quite OP by itself.

NG has a Tactic tutor, that is conditional, but plays along with NG deck control ablilities, and just 8 prov.

and here goes Vivaldi Bank, 9 prov
no TAG - so no basic interaction with faction features , like every other faction has
can`t be tutored by Dwarf Crime Tutor, as every other faction can thin a deck like this.
and a ridiculous coin condition, compared to similar prov tutor, it makes it extremely weak.

why no Crime tag to Vivaldi Bank at least ?
 

rrc

Forum veteran
State of things :
Amphibious Assault - 13 prov, tag : Warfare, can be tutored with Natalis, weak condition (tutors ANYTHING under 9 prov, and boosts), and ECHO as well
NR tutor is extremely OP.

Blood Eagle - 12 prov, tag : Raid, can be tutored with The Guy Who Tutors Raids, weak condition (always works for OP SK bronzes, weak condition for every Warrior, some are very powerful gameswingers), and ECHO
SK tutor is very OP.

Naglfar - 9 prov, tag : Wild Hunt, can be tutored with Ranged Guy Who Tutors Wild Hunts. Some RNG factor to it, but you want golds mostly, unconditional thinning.
MO tutor is fine

Call of The Forest - 10 prov, Nature tag - play ANY faction unit, and boost it
Isengrims Council - 8 prov, also a Nature tag. Not so reliable as Call, but still, a Nature, and boosting
ST has 2 quite consistent tutors, than go through entire deck, and can be tutored with a Dryad tutor
that is quite OP by itself.

NG has a Tactic tutor, that is conditional, but plays along with NG deck control ablilities, and just 8 prov.

and here goes Vivaldi Bank, 9 prov
no TAG - so no basic interaction with faction features , like every other faction has
can`t be tutored by Dwarf Crime Tutor, as every other faction can thin a deck like this.
and a ridiculous coin condition, compared to similar prov tutor, it makes it extremely weak.

why no Crime tag to Vivaldi Bank at least ?
Amphibious Assault: Can't tutor a 10+ provision cost
Blood Eagle: Can only play a warrior (and without Deathblow, can only play a 7P or less warrior)
Naglfar: Shows only two random gold cards from which you have to choose one.
Call of the Forest: Can only play an ST *unit*
NG Tactics: Sees top 3 cards and plays one. No way to play any other card beyond that limit.
Vivaldi Bank: If playing the top card, you have got +3 coins for free. In R3, it is like a non-echo Oneiromancy with the flexibility to play any card (by paying coins, I know, but still it is an incredible flexibility). Vivaldi bank is superior than any other faction's non-echo tutor cards by a mile and is better in some sense than the faction echo card in its ability to play any card.
 
Amphibious Assault: Can't tutor a 10+ provision cost
Blood Eagle: Can only play a warrior (and without Deathblow, can only play a 7P or less warrior)
Naglfar: Shows only two random gold cards from which you have to choose one.
Call of the Forest: Can only play an ST *unit*
NG Tactics: Sees top 3 cards and plays one. No way to play any other card beyond that limit.
Vivaldi Bank: If playing the top card, you have got +3 coins for free. In R3, it is like a non-echo Oneiromancy with the flexibility to play any card (by paying coins, I know, but still it is an incredible flexibility). Vivaldi bank is superior than any other faction's non-echo tutor cards by a mile and is better in some sense than the faction echo card in its ability to play any card.

You must be joking. Or trolling. Or both.

Amphipious = consistency through entire deck+thinning+echo+tag
Blood Eagle = consistency through entire deck+thinning+echo+no limits with a condition+tag
Naglfar = tag+tutors a gold to choose out of two. Just slightly better, better consistency in final round.
Call of Forest = consistency through entire deck+boosting+tag
NG Council = slightly better because of tag. So it can be tutored with Menno, replayed with Skellen, counts to Enslave counter, etc

Vivaldi - totally inconsistent. Allows you just to go up to 10 cards, on a very very tough condition.
But treat it equally - as any previous card. No preparation:
Allows you just to play top cards. If you are lucky, you might have some coins left.
But it LACKS A TAG.
So it can`t be tutored , as most other tutors, with a unit, neither it interacts with faction features, as ALL OTHER TAGGED TUTORS DO.

If it had a tag, it would be on a level of NG Council.

As consistency of other tutors with tags >>>>>>> very conditional Vivaldi with no tag interactions

If you claim that consistency is not relevant in Gwent, you must have not been playing it at all.
 

rrc

Forum veteran
You must be joking. Or trolling. Or both.
No. No. Neither.

You said Vivaldi Bank is a very weak card and I told you how it is unique and different and can play *any* card (and not just *units* like other tutors) which is not possible by other faction cards (well, except NG's tactics, and even that only allows to play a card from top 3). You can play your Passiflora using Vivaldi Bank. Now tell me which faction specific tutor card can do that? (and I had seen opponents do that quite a lot of times). AA -> Can't play special or artifact or any unit over 9P. BE, can't play special or artifact or any unit other than Warriors. CoF -> Can't play special or artifact or anything other than ST units. Naglfar -> Can't play anything other than the two options provided.

Vivaldi Bank is like a 6P card (since it has +3 coins) if you find what you want to play as the top deck. Even if you are going to use all three coins, you still have an option of choosing from top 4 "cards". I replied mainly to tell that Vivaldi Bank is NOT a weak card and is definitely not weaker than non-echo cards from other factions. Moreover, other faction cards are all costlier than Vivaldi Bank (even the non-echo ones).

Would it be nice if Crime tag is added to Vivaldi Bank? Yes. Obviously. Is Vivaldi Bank weaker than other faction tutors? NO.
 
From a lore perspective there is no way you can give Vivaldi's Bank a crime tag and since the bank's involvement is more tangential to the criminals of the syndicate, rather than aligned, there should be common tag in any case.
 
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