Yeah i've done lots of missions in stealth and it was actually easier than guns blazing. Though at the beginning consumes a bit more time but there are different tools to approach stealth.
I have to disagree with OP, I personally have no issues with stealth on hard difficulty, doing thievery gigs on skull mobs without knocking anyone out or ever getting spotted is not only possible, but quite rewarding.
I highly recommend the cyberware eye mod that slows time down for 2 seconds every time a enemy starts to spots you, and especially the double jump ankle mod that opens up your infiltration options significantly.
Going Ghost (non lethal, avoid knockouts, never spotted) was my favorite style of playing in two most recent Deus Ex titles and I am extremely happy this game allows such gameplay too, for me it's one of the highlights of the game hands down.
Edit: I play on controller and for me the scanner zooming happens with not having any weapons in my hand, holding left trigger, adjusting with dpad up/down and then activating the scanner while still holding down left trigger. It's really stupidly complicated when you should be able to just zoom within the scanner, but at least it works, I have quickhacked few cyberpsychos from a safe distance that way.
I highly recommend the cyberware eye mod that slows time down for 2 seconds every time a enemy starts to spots you, and especially the double jump ankle mod that opens up your infiltration options significantly.
Going Ghost (non lethal, avoid knockouts, never spotted) was my favorite style of playing in two most recent Deus Ex titles and I am extremely happy this game allows such gameplay too, for me it's one of the highlights of the game hands down.
Edit: I play on controller and for me the scanner zooming happens with not having any weapons in my hand, holding left trigger, adjusting with dpad up/down and then activating the scanner while still holding down left trigger. It's really stupidly complicated when you should be able to just zoom within the scanner, but at least it works, I have quickhacked few cyberpsychos from a safe distance that way.
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I agree and they will probably have to fix it at some point as people figure out how to "exploit" it
I think that all styles of gameplay can work decently well and are in good balance.
Yesterday I stealthed through the grand imperial mall story mission without even having a stealth build. No detections. Im more of an direct approach aggressive blades swinging guns blazing person.
There are some issues that could be bugs or oversights (such as dodge being useless in the fistfight sidequests cause the opponents will auto-track you) but overall the gameplay is good.
Yesterday I stealthed through the grand imperial mall story mission without even having a stealth build. No detections. Im more of an direct approach aggressive blades swinging guns blazing person.
There are some issues that could be bugs or oversights (such as dodge being useless in the fistfight sidequests cause the opponents will auto-track you) but overall the gameplay is good.
I agree, I honestly think that people are being a bit to critical due to having way too high expectations for the game.
You can one shot pretty easily with a muzzled revolver, especially, if you put enough points into the handguns and stealth tree. Like I'm hitting around 6k damage headshots out of stealth right now, sometimes even 12-13k criticals at level 20.
No idea what you are talking about, stealth gameplay is fine. You might need to practice a bit more.
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Wiley's Pro Tip: Throw incendiary grenades a lot. Enemies are very distracted when they're on fire!
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Nah you just gotta go with Russian stealth. Nobody will notice you if nobody is alive to notice you
I just go around with a suppressed revolver (weird to say since those are rare af irl) and headshot everyone.
I just go around with a suppressed revolver (weird to say since those are rare af irl) and headshot everyone.
I think it might be possible. I tried it but made a mistake and didn't wanna savescum.
I tend to agree with OP about most of this but you do raise some good points. While you can hack from very far away that's true, sight lines are often difficult to get without risking being seen unless you have multiple camera angles. crouching works well about 3/4ths of the time but that means pretty often enemies will just randomly turn on a dime and spot you while you're approaching in stealth. maybe this gets better with more levels? if it does it's really punishing at first.
There really need to be instant weapon kills at range, as well. this is absolutely a core stealth mechanic and a tool that is sorely missing from the repertoire. building a stealth/hack character and then being tossed against a boss who simply cannot be neutralized this way also really sucks. one of the first bosses comes to mind here.
the show visibility mechanic is there but it can be really hard to skate around. I don't think it's atrociously easy, there's actually quite a bit of rng when it comes to enemy pathing and spotting. I've always hated spotting mechanics that instantly make entire compounds aware of your presence, there should be time after small groups of mooks out before the alarm is sounded for everyone. the pick up body mechanic as some have suggested also could use some improvement, can't tell you how many times another mook has accidentally pathed around a wall and caught me hiding a body, when they've stood completely still before that and there was no alert. If this is to signal that you're being heard.. it doesn't seem to indicate that to you via HUD in any way. having to be perfectly behind enemies to grab can be really annoying and one of
my absolute biggest complaint in the double tap dodge strafe. it pops you out of stealth and can shove you right into a sight line and boom you're done. I want to disable this or rebind it because it's very hard to nudge yourself into position when stealthed with this ability.
I actually don't mind that once a compound is alerted they stay alerted, it makes sense. it's actually a little stupid how quickly cops will stop chasing you when you commit crimes by comparison. There should be a way to counter hack when you're targeted by netrunners as well, by that i mean being able to free yourself from the hack without JUST killing the enemy. consider how effective your own hacks are and that this is WAY beyond that.
All in all it's a great game but some of the mechanics do not feel good, I hope they address them in some way.
also let's get some explicit sex scenes lol
have many issues with this game the sneaking isnt one of them .its very well done sneak system
yeah stealth is very strong in this game, even after spotting a body still get sneak attack dmg.
Well, using Hacks helps a lot with the stealth game. My issue is that despite being behind cover I get spotted some times. It is as if the npc can see me through walls some times. Why do I know that they spotted me behind cover? Because they shoot the object in front of me. Most of the time it is a wall they hit.
I believe CD Project needs to improve stealth gameplay.
I believe CD Project needs to improve stealth gameplay.