- V appears more modest in the inventory preview after the half year montage
So, I'm seeing a couple of threads every couple of hours since the official response from CD Projekt arrived regarding the "nudity bug". It isn't a bug as you can read here:
Official response. All threads seem to be getting closed (don't close this one too, guys, please?), so I decided to open another but with a different tone. A suggestion, a petition.
What follows comes from a mature person that has a healthy relationship for years, so take it with moderation and not as a rant.
We have a mature game in our hands, filled with graphic violence, drugs, alcohol and sex. And yet, we can't take a shower naked and we can't look at our own junk while walking around naked in our own apartment. We can't take naked photos either.
Sure, okay, I can live with being forced to wear underwear once I leave my house, or even auto-equipping my last used gear once I leave my house, that would be fine. But omg... it's just so ridiculous that you allowed us to customize our characters at such sexual level only to see them spinning in our inventory! It's a non-sense, seriously.
This isn't a game breaking mechanic for me, but it sure is immersion breaking. After a certain mission, you wake up dizzy in the shower, looking at the floor and you see yourself wearing trunks (if male V), this totally broke the immersion for me. Up until this moment, I didn't really care that I wasn't able to see my dick when naked. Is not the necesity to see my own junk, it's the fact that a person doesn't get into the shower wearing underwear... and I'm sure you agree with this but you were forced to reduce the nudity during gameplay. There's no other explanation.
The combination of all of this with the fact that you promised the game would feature full nudity without any kind of censorship just really confuses me.
If consoles can't have it, fine, but my dudes.... you own your own platform... GOG and Steam is totally okay with nudity nowadays and adult games...
You made an inclusive game in which you can play as trans people, your NPC's dress like whatever they want, there seems to be no kind of inhibition or censorship, and yet and I can't... look at my own naked body....
Snif
Edit: I want add another matter to the discussion. The prostitutes.
Why are there only two NPC's you can interact with to initiate sex? Isn't the whole city cramped with prostitutes or what? I don't really understand it.
For me the reason is more than obvious: censorship again. When you put ONLY two NPC's that you can interact with, far away from the main story and 1st moments of the game, you "hide" those NPC's.
Imagine if you were able to hook up with any prostitute during your first visit to Viktor's (main plot progression). That street is filled with prostitutes, yet you can't really have sex with anyone. Why? These prostitutes don't really act any different than the two that you can interact with, (the ones that are far away, hidden from main story) they would invite you to their place and that's it.
I'm 100% sure the original idea was for you to be able to initiate sex with any prostitute <is prostitute=true> and allow players to interact with them. Not so hard... and VERY easy to censor.
Edit 2: I want to start adding some of the corcerns expressed in this thread for easy access for the devs, if you want yours to be added, sent me a PM.
Felipepuigga said:
Dear CD Project
Since you declared that the underwear "during exploration" is intended I have been pretty concerned, not only because it makes no sense, but also because the message you are trying to give as an enterprise is unacceptable. There is no censorship for other characters during sex scenes, but there is censorship everywhere else, which conveys a message of nudity being only sexual. This goes against the inclusivity, the freedom of expression and the "transhumanism" you said before release you were wanting to promote. Being naked during sex but not during showers, times alone and doing non sexual things is outrageous for these exact reasons.
Furthermore, I don't really think this is intended as at first release the game included nudity "during exploration", which was immediately patched. Additionally, before the release you promised the game would have nudity. The unused genitalia creation and breast creation (which doesn't change anything as breasts are resized with clothing) gives evidence that nudity was going to be another feature. Nobody realizes after releasing a game that they "forgot" to put underwear to the main character. You can't change your mind about the final product's characteristics after selling it. Also it makes no sense that the character looks different in the inventory than in the actual exploration section; I have played many games and in none of those have I seen this happening.
I sincerely hope you keep your word and revendicate your convictions.
Best wishes,
Felipe
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Cloud7 said:
The game is sold for 18+ people. So censor of any kind about nudity is absolutely ridiculous considering the fact i can literally rip someones head off with my mantis blades or the fact i can rocket launcher them to spread their insides across the floor.
Also on many side quests you can find corpses of people who look like someone gutted them alive and ripped their insides out for you to view with no amount of censoring anything. But nudity is where we draw the line?
It just doesn't make any sense.
Parscuit said:
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PLEASE give us our freedom that so clearly already exists in the game.
Upon first getting back to V's apartment, the very first time, I went into my cache, organized and checked a few new things out, and proceeded to undress to take a shower. I felt immersed. I was having a blast. And then.. The underwear.
I knew it'd be there, I just really couldn't soften the blow though.
That's when I paused and came to see if I'm the only one, and I'm far from alone, obviously.
This game needs tender, loving care. Removing features that were so obviously already there feels similar to locking the game up in a basement like that dude in the beginning of Breaking Bad.
I will say - I followed instructions I saw in a few posts and rapidly swapped pants, which DID glitch the game and remove the underwear.
I took my FULLY-IMMERSED, Naked shower, glitched the undies BACK on, and laid down for the night to proceed the game. [...]
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Ferchotouille said:
I'm coming from bathing nude in my last two games I've played (Death Stranding and Ghost of Tsushima), who would've known Cyberpunk was going to the game where I'd do it with shorts. LOL
ryanrenfrow said:
I agree with the OP. Also what bothers me is that you wouldn't even know it was intended if you didn't go to the official forums or reddit. That's wild to me, let alone a lack of real reason. Left everyone confused with a
like it's all good or something.
Haha okay I'm nitpicking, so back to being serious.
The other thing is, so all these hours put into genital customization, couldn't have then went into making the character creation more in depth, maybe individual selection for tattoos, piercings, and etc. Hell there isn't even a zoom in and out feature when you first customize your character(I'm gonna guess because of the genitals). It's just mindboggling really. I also share the same gripes on the other missing features that were falsely advertised as something way more in depth, yet that's for another thread.
Nudity is not what I care about, the sentiment is what bothers me for the most part, I would've bought this game if I wasn't able to customize my genitals, yet if you going to have it in the game and market it, insinuating that the game will have more use for it, then keep that same energy. I don't and can't blame other people for being upset about this.
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warbaby2 said:
Disabling the nudity filter should do what it says... not much else to add there.
Jaymacibe said:
I seriously love this game and been enjoying every moment, but this decision to only have fully nude in the inventory screen, in my opinion has zero good reason for it. Absolutely zero good reasons.
There is zero logic for being fully nude in the inventory screen and not in photomode, first person, mirror or the shower. Specially the shower, is V really Tobias Funke?
Jokes aside. Just like Bethesda when they did their decision that all mods are cheats, and disables achievements, that mods have to come to the rescue for an unreasonable decision.
So mods once again will have to come to this rescue, unless decisions are turned around.
If the devs or management or whoever is so concerned about full nudity, then why bother with a censor option toggle? Why have fully nudity in inventory but no where else? Why was there time and effort in adding genitalia and public hair options in the character customization? Its a head scratcher.
If grown adults want to be uncensored, let us.
If we don't want to be uncensored, then we turn it off.
Please, don't give us a half an option. If the decision is never turned around, I guess we will be stuck with mods for the rest of the game's life.
I'm not trying to sound mean, just feedback that I see zero good reasons or logic for the decision. The only official response didn't have a reason. To me it feels of a wrong move.
If I have to mod the game, I'll mod the game. Its just something that shouldn't be needing a mod.
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johnalex said:
I agree with the OP. Nudity isn't really THAT important for CP2077, but immersion is. To let us design specific details of the genitals during character creation and then cover it up during the rest of the game is kinda strange, in my opinion. I understand that it is a delicate matter when it comes to seriousness; you don't want to encourage people doing silly things with this great piece of art, which CP certainly is, but if you are afraid there, why give it to us in the first place?
Otakahunt said:
I second this. After the first time in my game when i loaded a save the shorts appeared and has been since.
So pretty please revert the change.... it wouldnt even be this big a deal if the game wasnt advertised as such and we didnt have customization for our private parts, the fact that we do makes this censoring completely nonsensical.
What are we supposed to do? admire our penises in the inventory screen? are you for real...
If you absolutely have to censor it for consoles then do it, but let PC have uncensored... other games have done console specific changes too so why not this.
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Nainakai said:
I also want the mature content that was advertised and later censored.
PoohPu said:
I agree with this sentiment 100%. Not only nudity, but lewdness and outright porn is a far more important aspect of the Cyberpunk fiction than it is in for example the Witcher. We don't see it much in tabletop because of the format, but when you have a visual one like in CP2077 the world lacks some very essential grittiness.
Personally I like not having anything arousing in my games. It's just a distraction from why I've sat down to game in the first place. But CP2077 without it feels toothless and half-hearted. It makes the game far less than it would be otherwise. Nudity and in-your-face porn is easily worth the discomfort in this case.
It shouldn't be made to arouse tho. It should be made to discomfort and disgust. CP2077 should even showcase ppl who've replaced they sexual organs with cybernetic prosthesis' for "enhanced pleasure", and other things that would nausiate us to even consider in real life.
I really hope CDPR will reconsider.
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Mkknml said:
This 100x. The censorship makes no sense in an adult game.
And this:
"Badowski said that in the final game, his team intends to have full nudity, not for shock value but because it supports one of the most important themes in the cyberpunk genre: transhumanism, the belief that humanity can transcend its current mental and physical form with the help of technology."
Right now it looks like a shadow of the city where nowadays ethics have been thrown out of the window.
What a let down.
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lostlogic said:
I'm sure that it's already been mentioned, but 27 pages of posts is a slog to read through so I'll just toss in my two cents.
I play the game on XSX, and the character is nude in the inventory view, and there are cutscenes with (at least) female nudity. It doesn't make sense to me that our character is forced to wear underwear in their apartment etc.
I hope this will be reconsidered for a future patch of the game where forced underwear is governed by the censor filter that is togglable in the settings.
This is also such a minor thing that should be easily changed and would scratch one of the complaints of the current list
Mario_Szabo said:
+1 for bringing back what's promised - an game for adults. Point. Is this night city or some 12 year old anime fantasy of a dark kinky town? The advertisement literally all around is sex sells and you can't see your penis or a vagina? Strippers with clothes? Foot fetish should be hardcore kink? Come on. We are living not in the dark ages where you can't see talk or live the dream of living how you want. And it's a game with a 18 plus rating. If you are afraid that underage could see this than go sue their parents which are responsible first place for checking things before buying it. I got a child myself and filter what he is allowed to see until he is old enough to make his own decisions. Never would blame someone else for the parenting I have to do. And for me.. Well I think I saw enough hard sh#t to deserve an adult game. Projekt Red for me, if it's true you patched the game to be more vanilla and less adult - shame on you. And when you did it sneaky double shame on you and I will never buy or pre-order a game with your name again. Point. Maybe I am just one guy but maybe there are enough that you recognize and reconsider to change that direction asap. And when not I hope you guys would never get the chance again to trick again someone. (yes after reading all sites here I feel tricked into buying an adult game which isn't in my opinion.) sry for my bad English as it isn't my native language. Sincerely
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Crimsomrider said:
+1 to remove censorship
I personally question the design decision to force underwear onto a player that has the Nudity Filter turned OFF, because it truly has no reasonable explanation whatsoever to justify it. To me it's not about seeing a naked body, whether ingame or movie, but about the principle of the matter. It's about not letting someone else decide what I can or cannot see, hear or know.
- The game is advertised as Mature
- The game has a Nudity Filter specifically made for players to choose what they want to see
- The game allows the player to customize V's genitalia and examine it in all its glory with all its customization options
- The game shows you the genitalia at the very customization screen
- The game shows you the genitalia in the inventory screen
- There is a naked woman and a man in the very first mission
- Female V can see her breasts in first person
- There is sex in the game
So there is absolutely no reasonable explanation that can explain why the game is forcing underwear in first person, when everywhere else it is showing genitalia completely normal. It breaks immersion, it breaks roleplay and makes no sense whatsoever. The fact that so many people reported this as a bug shows just how questionable this decision really is and how nobody agrees with it.
I hope they listen to the community and make the reasonable decision. Nudity Filter is there for a reason obviously, so let us use it how we see fit.
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concluding said:
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THIS. NOT. FINE!
Would anyone go to a strip club like this?
DashieXCVII said:
I'll be honest, I wouldn't care one bit if it wasn't for the fact that you guys advertised it as having it and the fact that you allow me to customize the genitals and pubes so much. I feel lied to and betrayed by a company I love and thought actually cared about their customers, but censoring the game with the day one patch says that you're no different than any other money hungry corporation.
I think I speak for most of the people that are upset when I say that I feel lied to.
Edit 3: I believe these are enough samples, put together in just one day, and the list goes on and on. Your fans are concerned and not happy. I know you can deliver, you always did in the past. Don't let the corpo shits get away with it, chumbas.
"Edit 4": since the thread was closed, I'm gonna be as sarcastic as CD Projekt has been with this patch notes, if not more:
- It appears I won't buy the expansion packs