As a Big Single Player RPG Fan for the last 20 years, This is not the worst RPG but definitely needs work. We all know this was rushed and story was cut. I have faith it can be fixed and the end product we will have a year from now will be just as memorable as Witcher 3. Not to mention the modding community will add alot.
Disappointing that they changed the marketing up towards the end and tried selling it as this but claiming it as an RPG when it suited them also.
Overall the marketing and promotional material was tremendously misleading.
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Ive also attached a video to the original post for anyone wanting/prefering to listen to something that summarises alot (not all) of the points that i brought up in the OG post.
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Now now, AC Odyssey has more choices than current CP77, with endings depending on them too
Its crying out to be the RPG it should have been but its getting the axe to it, let's face it... Even post release...
I doubt I'll have what I thought I was buying by February.
I doubt I'll have what I thought I was buying by February.
What I don't get is that they should know better. The Witcher 3 is fantastic. And you'd think they would know how to make a proper RPG.
I am with the OP, I think what we got at release is a massively cut down version, with a good 50% of content and features removed, because they could not make it run and thought they could reintroduce some features over time with patches; but the stripping of features then introduced a whole bunch of other issues, causing this mess.
And we are left thinking, "why even release it then?". Most likely the bonus of the suits. I am sure their bonuses would have gotten a massive cut if they could not make enough revenue in the last quarter - to make shareholders happy. But it all backfired. Now we have a bugged mess of a game, stripped of a wide range of features, the devs had to crunch and suffer, almost lost their bonuses because the game was a mess, the company stocks dropped, and shareholders, devs and gamers alike, are pissed and disappointed.
Sadly, I doubt the suits suffered much. They probably get their bonuses, regardless of the mess they have created.
CDPR lost all the great reputation it built up over the last years in less than a week. From being the paragon of the gaming industry, they are now a pariah, almost on the same level as ubisoft, origin, activision or ea...
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I still have hopes they turn around, albeit little [even less now].
I am with the OP, I think what we got at release is a massively cut down version, with a good 50% of content and features removed, because they could not make it run and thought they could reintroduce some features over time with patches; but the stripping of features then introduced a whole bunch of other issues, causing this mess.
And we are left thinking, "why even release it then?". Most likely the bonus of the suits. I am sure their bonuses would have gotten a massive cut if they could not make enough revenue in the last quarter - to make shareholders happy. But it all backfired. Now we have a bugged mess of a game, stripped of a wide range of features, the devs had to crunch and suffer, almost lost their bonuses because the game was a mess, the company stocks dropped, and shareholders, devs and gamers alike, are pissed and disappointed.
Sadly, I doubt the suits suffered much. They probably get their bonuses, regardless of the mess they have created.
CDPR lost all the great reputation it built up over the last years in less than a week. From being the paragon of the gaming industry, they are now a pariah, almost on the same level as ubisoft, origin, activision or ea...
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I still have hopes they turn around, albeit little [even less now].
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Should've, Could've whatever...
I firmly believe that the wild runaway success of Witcher 3 did more harm than good. As to me the failure of management staff can almost be directly attributed to them being overconfident. They [management] already failed when working on Witcher 3. That game had insane crunch as well. But the excellent devs saved the project.
A lot of them quit too. CDPR bleeds staff because of poor management.
Then Witcher 3 becomes a runaway success. Which can get to someones head, anyones. Look at the success of Star Wars as an example. It wasn't great because of George Lucas, it was a team effort. They reigned in his awful ideas and refined them into something great. Without people to refine the ideas anything after turned out pretty bad.
Now you have over confident management staff with a lot of money and even greater ambition. A strong belief that they can avoid crunch and poor management because hey, it happened before. So we probably know how to avoid it now AND we're more experienced with working on bigger projects.
When in reality they should have taken their estimated release date, added a year and said yeah this is the optimistic choice. Considering W3 that would make sense. But considering its wild success I can also see how that can blind people.
I don't think their lies were malicious as an example, but partly due to this blindness caused by previous success. Success they never saw before to such a scale. I do hope they [management] see the error of their ways and finally get their act together. Because frankly its inexcusable. Crunch is a failure of management, CDPR is starting to have a history of crunch.
Meaning CDPR has a history of management failing at its job. At the very least they should add 1 year to each and every estimate they make because its better to be on the side of caution than working their development team to the bone. This even has consequences since programming is quite difficult work, you need to know the codebase. You cant just bleed staff and super easily replace them on big projects as this. Especially if there is little to no comments in the code that explain what you're looking at.
It's to the companies benefit to keep staff on. Not only from a productivity standpoint but a creativity one too. They may have great bonuses and other such stuff for staff but that is very much trying to deal with the symptoms of the issue rather than the core cause.
While I would be the first in admitting RDR2 was certainly much more polished. Much of this list are of pointless things that don't necessarily make the game fun, "feeding horses". That was the major problem with RDR2 as a whole and I believe is in part why it's Multiplayer died compared to GTA V. Too much emphasis on things like in this list, and not enough actually making the gameplay or combat fun. Too much cinematic movie, not enough a game. Too many walking sessions, too many click this button at this time or mission fail, too many horse riding sessions and the bulk of it's missions just ended up as shootouts. More time could have been put into actually fleshing out the shooting instead of horse testicle physics. Instead it plays like a subpar tps with Fallout's vats system tacked on.
THANK YOU! That is exactly how I feel and exactly what came to my mind regarding missing content/false advertisement. I have around 46h and I do enjoy it but it is not the game that was promised to us. Nothing compared to what CDPR promised. A whole lot is just missing, a whole lot not working, the current state of their view of "full nudity" would have been better if they left it all out.
I've played way too many games like over 1500+ which happen to be all different types of games for example there are JRPGS on the PS2 or GameCube that feel more dynamic and alive incrementally due to their unique mechanics, compared to a game like this which is overshadowed by its popularity(???) which doesn't really bring anything new to the table, to not take into consideration what he is saying although I kind of like the game a bit at times but I'm upset deeply with it, I would've felt like I ignored what he is saying especially since it looks like it took a bit of time for him to write the post too.
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I can't help but get a force of habit because of how bored I get with games nowadays and nitpick at every single detail in them especially the more recent they come out.
Exactly mate. you are not alone and not the only feeling this way
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yep. a lot of us can. just look at the official Reddit
oh lord ive literally just started playing SWTOR again to cleanse my soul of this.
I agree with you. Just realized that due to not having any faction rep, there are no consequences for slaughtering so many gang members. Where is the pay back from the gangs like in the beginning where Jackie and V is attacked by gangs for destroying their gig. None 9f the missions so far makes me feel like my actions have consequences. Let's not even mention the "magic" police and trauma team.it feels like a John Wick game where you are the sidekick and not the mc of your own story. I'm really hoping that a DLC or something will come along to make NC feel like NC and not some Dead City.
...and the reaction follows swiftly.
AC Valhalla overtook CP2077 in physical UK Christmas sales.... a friggin, boring Ubisoft open world grind. That's sad...
Physical CP sales dropped by 80% in general after the first week, so the investors have even more of a motivation to sue now.
Assassin's Creed Valhalla actually works as a game, yes it's the same tired old formula but at least it's not a major let down.
The problem with CP2077 isn't the bugs, but the core game itself.
Even the narrative and the story elements that are the core of CDPR games in the past are completely broken. The prologue is too short, characters treat you like you've known them for years or you have some sort of killer reputation from the moment you meet them, nothing actually clicks, and the fact that no choice you make has even the slightest of impacts is heart breaking.
Everything in this game feels incomplete and a placeholder, the combat system, the perks system, the stat system (or the lack of any stats other than freaking armor), the weapons that all work the same, the mods that don't work, the consumable system that is pointless, I don't know what they've been fucking working on for 8 god damn years.
These are things that aren't even related to complex programing tasks, they already had a good enough stats system in TW3 and early demos showed many more stats on items such as weapons and armor than we have now, where the fuck did it all go?
Did Keanu took all the money for this game? did his lawyers mandated that Keanu needs to popup once every 90 seconds or his out? like seriously how did this game out from the same company that made TW3?
ME:Andromeda was a buggy mess that got fixed, the story sucked, the characters for the most part were insufferable but mechanically it was arguably the best ME game in terms of combat, exploration and crafting.
ME:Andromeda at least could be and was patched, I don't know how they'll patch this game out other than pulling another TW1:EE and reworking pretty much everything and at this point I don't see them having the time or money to do this.
CDPR poured 320M into this game, that's more than what it cost to develop GTA 5 and probably in the real life actual costs of RDR2 (anyone who thinks RDR2 cost a billion dollars to develop needs to get their head checked).
I would personally have no problem if this game would've dropped most RPG mechanics and went full on GTA 5/RDR2 but the story, the open world, and all the subsystems of the game still need to work and they don't.
I don't understand how this game got more than 4/10 in any review, nothing is finished, nothing works, there is a bloody perk for being undetectable in water when there is absolutely no water combat in the game or any combat missions that even take place near or around water.
Like who the fuck signed off on shipping this.