Why did they make the actual sexual content so scarce?

[outamyhead]

In a game with genital customization and where sex was pushed heavily in the marketing, and where sex is a HUGE part of the environment (sex shops, red light districts, strip clubs, prostitutes, EVERYWHERE) there is almost no sexual content in the game.

Yet despite that, the amount of sexual content that you as your avatar can actually engage with is completely bare bones.

It's also pretty bizarre that there are 1000 strip clubs and you can't actually, you know, see any strippers.

Did they wuss out on this aspect or did they just run out of time and couldn't beef it up more?

There is more to the story of the game than trying to have sex with a companion character or a doll, if anything the game is just showing how the future might be possibly desensitized to certain taboos like the sex industry in general, and gun/gun law possibly due to war, or crime is so out of hand that citizens have a right to defend themselves regardless of where they are as the police force is overwhelmed.

 

[IskrasFemme]

I ll ask to everyone again

What in Cyber its not 'scarce'?

 

[Healinya]

GoG really needs 10 post for me to reply on any forums? REALLY???

 

[Mario_Szabo]

It's confirmed after the Version 1.0 there was mature content and nudity and after a patch where they silently patched it out or watered it down people thought it was a bug.

(PC) No nude on First Person View, Mirrors, Photo Mode. [Not a Bug]

Bang on 1608049024 That is the final nail in the coffin for me the game is broke enough lol without features being took they knew this all along i bet i asked to refund, they lied to us with the censorship, this its not a good move for the customers......im so fucking angry right now.....

forums.cdprojektred.com

After around 50k people complained with nearly 1000 posts in a megathread.

[Suggestions]NUDITY MEGATHREAD - Remove censorship and bring back what advertised

>\Full nudity in game? June 2019, Lilayah: "Full nudity will still be in the game. Of course it will be. " Well Lilayah may say "of course" and I always love when men aren't being censored "The sims" style or wearing permaundies. However, will it only be uncensored for PC or for Xbox as well...

forums.cdprojektred.com

They made also a statement on the forum.

Regarding In-Game Nudity Suggestions

Hello, all, Many people have posted requests for more nudity options in the game. It has been confirmed that the lack of nudity (outside of the inventory) is not a bug, but is by intentional design. Until official word states otherwise, it is to be assumed this will not change. Despite this...

forums.cdprojektred.com

So jeah, it's cut content and for my I my hope are modders or a extra uncut patch to get it back.

 

[censorpunk]

Is "actual sexual content is scarce" though? This is not Sex Villa. Sex is shown when you have it, and when others are having sex you can eavesdrop on them through the doors. You can also often read others' emails to figure out their fetishes. I think that is sufficient for a RPG.

Now if you mean nudity is scarce, I agree with that. It is plain stupid to make us take shower wearing shorts and watch fully clothed strippers. The game throws at the player lots of heavy content including torture and snuff, and it is OK to do so in a 18+ game. But did they really find nudity intolerable of all things?

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...huge discrepancy in allowed violence and disallowed sexuality...

Mass madness.

 

[InSanor]

My first ever game (post-D&D) online was a text based ToriMUD RPG called Sojourn.

And that was back when the internet cost like 6 bucks an hour to access. Which is when you were like.....maybe 5 years old? I've likely played more online AND offline RPGs than you've played in your entire life. It's been my hobby since the early days of public internet accessibility.

The point is, none of either of our backgrounds in gaming is relevant, given that with today's access to information it should be pretty well known, and expected, that even softcore porn is hard to get through the ratings systems of most countries. And selling worldwide REQUIRES fitting the game into the ratings systems of every country it's sold in, respectively. An "M" rating doesn't mean T&A all over the place. It has a number of meanings. Blood, gore, smoking, drug use, alcohol use, and a host of other things that fall under the mature category.

Anyone expecting gobs of softcore porn was only kidding themselves, and setting themselves up for a letdown. What a company "says" will be in a game is subjective, at best. And it should be taken as such.

Why I bought my gaming history here, is because I saw it to be relevant to this game. Cyberpunk has been my passion for good.. 18ish years. I've played cyberpunk, shadow run, seen blade runner, GitS.. and other clsssic or less classic cpunk stuff. I've read most of the books from "mirrorshades group" and many others. Most known books are perhaps Neuromancer (+other W. Gibson's), Hard Wired and now Altered Carbon.

Sexuality and yes, nudity, was not a main thing in all of them, but it is one of the building blocks in most of them. It is kind of background noise that is there, but is not always the focus. And it is not there because they wanted people to fap and have wet dreams while reading/watching/playing, but because it portrays how mankind had devolved to something that only seeks simple and most carnal things, despite or because of huge jumps in technology. Once you start to censor and remove this and only leave the violence, you get some sort of darker shoot-em up Pulp Fiction with Cyberpunkish themes.

I don't need hardcore porn to this game, nor does Cyberpunk need to show it, but it does need to show things as they are. Covered strippers and teenagerish shyness towards nudity is not something that belongs to a Cyberpunk.

Thus, carrying the name as bold as Cyberpunk 2077, I expected this game to live up to that name. The game is obiviously young though and they have done many things right, so I'll give it time before I put it back to shelf and forget it exists.

And if this sneaky nudity removal is indeed due to some ESRB shit, then they need to be honest about it, tell us such things straight, so I can buy it to PC and wait for modders add things that CDPR legally could not.

 

[Ghostredneck]

There are alot of Adult areas that just felt flat, or perhaps not as Steamy. Which is unusual for CD Projeck.

Examples. 3 side jobs takes you into 3 seperate strip clubs , where the dancers on stage are fully clothed? ODD!
Merideth Sex scene where she is clothed with X's over her nipples? ODD.
A few walkers on the street, Damn near bottomless but have a see through shirt with X's over the nipples. Strange.

Most or all of these will be modded out. But still it worries me for future CDPR games, if tthey are this cautious now, after the witcher series then they have gone woke..... not good!

 

[rcd1976]

Having to animate all those sex scenes probably would have delayed the game further. Or rushing them would have left said sex scenes broken and buggy. I'm glad they didn't go in depth on that aspect, it probably could have taken players out of the game. Also, how long before the novelty wore off and people didn't seek those in game interaction out anymore. Then it just becomes game dev time wasted.

 

[H8ts]

First of all, Cyberpunk is already rated for mature audience, adding more strippers wouldn't change anything about age restrictions. And secondly, if you don't want to add strippers then don't put strip clubs or hookers into the game. The problem is somewhere else...

There is a lot of strip clubs without any interaction options or strippers.
There is a lot of hookers without any possibility to interact with them. (as with all random NPCs really)
There is very massively advertised penis/vagina customization without any relevance to the game and without possibility to actually be naked in the game!

So the main problem here is the same as with everything currently in game. It's half-baked, unfinished shell of a game. CDPR mishandled the development. They've made a lot of bad decisions during development, reworked story, hired a lot of new and inexperienced developers where in the end nobody was held responsible for anything. This complete misdirection in many departments led into this disaster of a game. The nudity and sex issues are only small parts of the whole problem.

 

[Subenu]

Imho they should've added all the steamy content, let the people do what they want with it. Let it spice up their experience, let them "enjoy" it however they want. Just because there might be lots of nudity or potential options to get "sexy scenes" doesn't make it porn or something you can just brush off with "stuff for horny teens".

I wonder why they censor it or cut this "steamy content" even further?

I mean, what for god's sake should change with the rating?
Isn't it already an 18+ adult targeted game?

But maybe that's the german speaking in me. Sometimes I think they should just show the middle finger to the US/Australia/whatever, ... less problems, less "law suits" ...

sorry for ranting.

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First of all, Cyberpunk is already rated for mature audience, adding more strippers wouldn't change anything about age restrictions. And secondly, if you don't want to add strippers then don't put strip clubs or hookers into the game. The problem is somewhere else...

There is a lot of strip clubs without any interaction options or strippers.
There is a lot of hookers without any possibility to interact with them. (as with all random NPCs really)
There is very massively advertised penis/vagina customization without any relevance to the game and without possibility to actually be naked in the game!

So the main problem here is the same as with everything currently in game. It's half-baked, unfinished shell of a game. CDPR mishandled the development.

This is the part I agree with you there. It's still really enjoyable, but could (potentially) be so much more!

They've made a lot of bad decisions during development, reworked story, hired a lot of new and inexperienced developers where in the end nobody was held responsible for anything. This complete misdirection in many departments led into this disaster of a game.

Dunno about you, but we can only assume these things. We don't really know what really happened, so it's just speculation. And we already have enough of this swirling around.
But this game a disaster? - it is not. That's too harsh in my opinion.

 

[faverodefavero]

One of the biggest cyberpunk genere themes is, at the same as it's breaking taboos and being overall liberating, it's just as much pissing off Social Justice Warriors and their version of puritanism and censorship. Much like original punk, it has no side, it's anarchist by nature, and just wants to live all life has to give without any limits or restrictions, burning fast.

 

[Mobster100]

Oh yeah, no one seems to really care about "investigative" BDs. They want porn BDs, that's it.

Go watch some PoV porn FFS

It is people replying to a post about sexual content in the game, so it would be weird if no one mentioned it in a thread like this

But to me, it's more that CDPR have clearly developed a system for doing BDs, with different layers, reverse, forward, scanning etc. And again it was clearly possible in the first trailer they made. So BDs as a functionality and concept within CP is clearly there because they intended it to be used by the players.

I think most people that have tried how they work now, would probably agree that these might as well have been cutscenes and you being given the information instead, without having to scan anything. It's not like you as player have to think about anything when doing it, all the informations that are relevant to the BD or mission are already highlighted for you anyway.

I started my second playthrough, and not sure ill get through it, because the replayability doesn't really seem to be there as they said it was, at least not in regards to the story. But the BD section are not interesting the second time, they are simply time consuming and nothing more.

The whole concept of BDs are highlighted throughout the game, both with random people doing it, characters talking about how it is used, missions and so forth, yet it plays are very little role in regards to the player. It could have been made a lot more interesting and explored in a much better way or simply used as a side activity or a collection reward system. You could find random information on these that could lead to missions etc. Could these BDs contain sex, sure, because that would fit the lore, but that doesn't mean that it should be their only purpose and even if a BD contained that, doesn't mean that it couldn't also at the same time lead to a mission.

 

[VtheAstronaut]

Probs to avoid some SJW's from starting a party about "how video-games sexualize people".

Do you know what social injustices actually are or did you just read that calling someone an SJW on the internet, was supposed to be an edgy insult?

 

[Obsidian_Crane]

But maybe that's the german speaking in me. Sometimes I think they should just show the middle finger to the US/Australia/whatever, ... less problems, less "law suits" ...

The highest rating it can have and still be advertised and or sold.

So if they push too hard against the prudes that seem to sit on censorship boards, they loose markets.

I don't like it either, but that is the way of it for the moment.

 

[Tracido]

There is more to the story of the game than trying to have sex with a companion character or a doll, if anything the game is just showing how the future might be possibly desensitized to certain taboos like the sex industry in general, and gun/gun law possibly due to war, or crime is so out of hand that citizens have a right to defend themselves regardless of where they are as the police force is overwhelmed.

It won't, corpo's love the fake friendly exterior of being able to sell their products to everyone in the family.

Corpo's lure you in with lies and then, take that paper.

This company had tried to be different. They even originally sold the uncut Witcher on PC versions from Europe elsewhere, I was able to buy one of those uncensored versions from Fry's Electronics.

 

[moncada]

I dont think we are going to get much more sexually charged content is that there are other gate keepers to what the game can contain than CDPR.

The ESRB pretty much controls the game viability with their ratings systems which control how the game can be marketed.
You can say that the max rating any game can get and survive as a commerical product is mature which is thought to be 17+.
So the game lives and dies on the line of what could be considered mature(17+) or adult only. If they thread over that line their game will get slapped with adult only which means that they are not allowed to make any marketing materials available on platforms that are in everyday use. No youtube, twitter , tv spots or magazine coverage.
It was not that long ago that steam pioneered making games that are AO available to the public through a large distribution platform. No other platform allows any game that is AO. Sony, Microsoft or Google stadia doesnt allows any AO games.
I doubt that CDPR themselves are dead set against making the game as risque as possible but in the end it's not up to them.

Just my 2 cents to the discussion!

 

[Tracido]

I dont think we are going to get much more sexually charged content is that there are other gate keepers to what the game can contain than CDPR.

The ESRB pretty much controls the game viability with their ratings systems which control how the game can be marketed.
You can say that the max rating any game can get and survive as a commerical product is mature which is thought to be 17+.
So the game lives and dies on the line of what could be considered mature(17+) or adult only. If they thread over that line their game will get slapped with adult only which means that they are not allowed to make any marketing materials available on platforms that are in everyday use. No youtube, twitter , tv spots or magazine coverage.
It was not that long ago that steam pioneered making games that are AO available to the public through a large distribution platform. No other platform allows any game that is AO. Sony, Microsoft or Google stadia doesnt allows any AO games.
I doubt that CDPR themselves are dead set against making the game as risque as possible but in the end it's not up to them.

Just my 2 cents to the discussion!

My two cents includes the fact that, the developers of the very first Adults Only title on Steam asked to add my name into the game, before doing so. Just mentioning how tied to fighting censorship I am..

 

[bign]

I am disappointed, I was expecting full on helicopter meatspins at Dicky Twisters.

 

[Tracido]

I know, right!? So baffling.

The logic is simple, money. My nation loves death and murder, gore and violence in prime time TV and kids shows. However, anything that has just enough suggestive content will get removed even if just a commercial. My nation offers the MOST sales.

It is capitalism, simple.

 

[Kikinho]

I am disappointed, I was expecting full on helicopter meatspins at Dicky Twisters.

I already know i will be dissapointed by Dicky Twisters!