it thought it was something something AI tells you soul dies now.because "cancer"
it thought it was something something AI tells you soul dies now.because "cancer"
What I meant was that the very fact of loading V's personality into cyber reality and loading it back into his body is not a murder or a substitute. It's the same V. I read here a lot of posts that V died, and in the endings - a copy of V.Because either V. merges with Alt and bye bye V., or V. regains V.'s body and 6 month later, "bye bye V." the same.
This is a little different. It's about the Soulkiller.because "cancer"
that is completely my mistake, I confess I was a little trigger happy there with my response and didn't even properly read your post, i'm actually on your side in this particular argument and have made the case for it myself in the past.What I meant was that the very fact of loading V's personality into cyber reality and loading it back into his body is not a murder or a substitute. It's the same V. I read here a lot of posts that V died, and in the endings - a copy of V.
Ending with Alt or 6 months is harder.
Cyber-V is undergoing a transformation, he is no longer the same V.
The endings where he is left to live for 6 months - an open final. Sad but not inevitable. V's death is not shown anywhere.
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This is a little different. It's about the Soulkiller.
The game makes a problem of it, and this is done during the conversation with Alt. There are two crucial information.As I already wrote, I do not see a problem in the Soulkiller.
There are two options here.
Or this device magically transfers a digital semblance of a soul (since the soul cannot be copied).
Or it just copies the contents of memory (and creates a simulation based on this memory).
In the first case, V will always be V, no matter which body you load it into.
In the second case, a copy of V will be if you load memory into another body. But V's memory is loaded back into V's body. So it can only be V.
I don't understand why the popular point of view is that V died.
Goro even says this - that engrams are not humans in the meaning of law.V.'s a guinea pig and gives Arasaka a chance to observe how the relic may interact with a wounded host. That's good for them. The R&D allowance may easily cope with that expense.
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Because either V. merges with Alt and bye bye V., or V. regains V.'s body and 6 month later, "bye bye V." the same.
I personally would love to see a story about dealing with the Arasaka dilemma. Tbh that was what I was expecting after the brain surgery, really didn't expect the story to end there.The game makes a problem of it, and this is done during the conversation with Alt. There are two crucial information.
First that Soulkiller is killing a person (literally) and then copy it’s memory, and then they are uploaded on the biochip.
This is an entry to to classic trans humanism dilemma - it you could copy you while being would this be you or another person.
second - Alt says that this “changes everything”. This is what unnerve many people here.
Goro even says this - that engrams are not humans in the meaning of law.
Story wise it’s probably done so you will sign the papers. Hanako Is one of the most skill netrunners and only few who fully understand Soulkiller.
She is even capable to copy engrams, and probably also reprogram them.
So the main objective is to repogram V since story wise s/he manages to steal the biochip, survive the whole 2-3 act, defeat Oda and Smasher.
it would be cool to see the continuation of this ending. Dreaming time...
Ok, I get the point.The game makes a problem of it, and this is done during the conversation with Alt. There are two crucial information.
First that Soulkiller is killing a person (literally) and then copy it’s memory, and then they are uploaded on the biochip.
This is an entry to to classic trans humanism dilemma - it you could copy you while being would this be you or another person.
second - Alt says that this “changes everything”. This is what unnerve many people here.
That is the issue. What Alt says contradicts the way the game treats the Soulkiller. And the game won't explain what Alt meant about everything changing after it. Because if we look how it's presented in the end, nothing has changed for V. So what was Alt refering to?Ok, I get the point.
But again. If personality, in the opinion of the game, is just memory - what's the difference? It is still V's memory, returning to V's body.
If the personality is something more, it is really a soul that can only be torn out of the body, which leads to death - the same conclusion. V's soul returns to V's body.
I have not seen any mention of the ability to copy "souls" in the game. Each "soul" is unique.
It seems that she is talking about the changes that have occurred to herself.That is the issue. What Alt says contradicts the way the game treats the Soulkiller. And the game won't explain what Alt meant about everything changing after it. Because if we look how it's presented in the end, nothing has changed for V. So what was Alt refering to?
It seems that she is talking about the changes that have occurred to herself.
A personality torn out of the body and being in cyber reality for a long time changes forever.
That is a theory yes. But it's not explained properly. And the solution they were talking about did involve putting V back into his body right away. So in light of that, Alt's comment was not needed/irrelevant to V's situation.It seems that she is talking about the changes that have occurred to herself.
A personality torn out of the body and being in cyber reality for a long time changes forever.
Disagree. Post Relic the goal was to survive I'd say. Also you could play the game without killing anyone, unironically I had a mod that made all my weapons non lethal and played through half of it with it and didn't even notice. Would've been great say if it reflected on the ending or some consequence in any way Oh yeah I also let Oda live, never seen him again apart from Smasher mentioning him once at the end.Been thinking about the ending on and off -- suppose that's already a good indication that the game did something right.
Read people here being adamant about their V deserving a happy ending and don't really get it. My V did loads of atrocious things, lots of killing and the main motivation from the start was to 'become a legend' one as hollow as possible. The correct conclusion to a story like that is a bad ending.
Might have been neat to get a really short ending that would have left things ambigious in regards to the player being unsure in the end if it was Johnny or V who retained control and the body but perhaps such things have been a bit overdone.
Disagree. Post Relic the goal was to survive I'd say. Also you could play the game without killing anyone, unironically I had a mod that made all my weapons non lethal and played through half of it with it and didn't even notice. Would've been great say if it reflected on the ending or some consequence in any way Oh yeah I also let Oda live, never seen him again apart from Smasher mentioning him once at the end.
In almost any shooter rpg or game we kill people and do nasty stuff does not mean that ALL of the endings have to doom us I'd say
So johnny with nuke in the city deserves happy ending huh? Besides it was your V, maybe mine killed only bad guys? Or when needed to? Well to me that legend thing is a little stretch, i tried to play my V as merc in the gray area, not a legend. And a quote from one of my favorites books and movies by the wayBeen thinking about the ending on and off -- suppose that's already a good indication that the game did something right.
Read people here being adamant about their V deserving a happy ending and don't really get it. My V did loads of atrocious things, lots of killing and the main motivation from the start was to 'become a legend' one as hollow as possible. The correct conclusion to a story like that is a bad ending.
Might have been neat to get a really short ending that would have left things ambigious in regards to the player being unsure in the end if it was Johnny or V who retained control and the body but perhaps such things have been a bit overdone.
“Deserves it! I daresay he does. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends.”
The problem i have with soulkiller that it is said it wipes brain cleanly. Then digitalised all of memories etc. It is no longer a biological machine, but artificial one. Can this transition occur without any loses? (Even alt says something along the lines "correcting errors" towards engram). Can this transition keep the "soul"?As I already wrote, I do not see a problem in the Soulkiller.
There are two options here.
Or this device magically transfers a digital semblance of a soul (since the soul cannot be copied).
Or it just copies the contents of memory (and creates a simulation based on this memory).
In the first case, V will always be V, no matter which body you load it into.
In the second case, a copy of V will be if you load memory into another body. But V's memory is loaded back into V's body. So it can only be V.
I don't understand why the popular point of view is that V died.
I didnt kill him because Takemura asked so. It was a simple decision! I'd do anything for that man.I'm rather fickle on this. Sometimes I kill them, sometimes I let em live. also may depend on the occassion. And with this I mean the random npcs. Some may have luck, so I just reboot their system and knock them out this way, while the others brain explores
on the other hand, I also let Oda live. My assumption may be, if we would've been able to talk his interference out of him before, when we had the chance with Takemura, we might not have had to fight Oda at all. Just a thought. This was probably my hardest fight of them all, I have to confess.
Would've been a nice addition so we could'Ve gotten "more karma" on our side
I feel you! I swear I feel like my mind is trapped in the game until a new story dlc is released.I finished the game like 20 days ago and still can't sleep well over those endings
I finished the game like 20 days ago and still can't sleep well over those endings