10000 of them are me, so....18000+ posts? Cra-zy!
10000 of them are me, so....18000+ posts? Cra-zy!
I played male v, so this is only from that perspective. In the Star though V almost sounds like he's putting up a front when he tells Panam he's OK when he's bleeding, and also when he says the last line about going home. I feel like he is putting on a brave face for her from the tone of the voice over, like he doesn't even believe he'll live.
You ride off into the sunset, sure but it's still sad. Of course in my head cannon Panam does save him, but I'm a sucker for a good romance and happy ending.
What cost or sacrifice do you think would work? The only one I can think of that would be somewhat equal for all V's would be tying yourself to a corpo leash in order to live, kind of like Rogue did. But then again it's just my hope that it would be equal.The happy ending should come at a great cost, or require a sacrifice or something, but we should have the option.
What cost or sacrifice do you think would work? The only one I can think of that would be somewhat equal for all V's would be tying yourself to a corpo leash in order to live, kind of like Rogue did. But then again it's just my hope that it would be equal.
The Devil ending is downright venomous in how badly the writers clearly did not want you to pick it.Devil- space lockdown, scream in pain that pieces of you are missing, that stupid cube, look at earth and fade to black leaving the station, tarot is the spiritual equivalent of spitting in your face, I’m surprised the credits don’t roll and call you and irredeemable monster for picking it.
As far as i'm concerned when the game slaps on an additional plot cancer death sentence at the end of a survival story, i'm going to consider that bleak. Wishy washy vague talk about a chink of light at the end of the tunnel not being the oncoming train isn't going to do anything for me.
I said this more than once, but i feel for you! I know star suits me well except of that scene before the credits which I would love to have with Judy instead, but you should have something as good as this for you and River.I’m definitely not defending the endings, don’t get me wrong. They ruined the game for me entirely, honestly. I tried going back for a second playthrough and I just can’t. I’m mostly just trying to understand how someone can say all the endings fit the tone of a horrible Cyberpunk world when one of them is just massively different in tone. They’re all “bittersweet” but compared to Sun/Devil the Star ending is about as bitter as water with a splash of lemon.
I find it more fair than the star/sun to be honest...The Devil ending is downright venomous in how badly the writers clearly did not want you to pick it.
At a bird's eye view I do think the Devil is actually ultimately fine for V, and Takemura is one good thing about it. But the actual epilogue is just almost comical in its misery. You find out Yorinobu is actually a secret good guy and are tasked to take him down, Arasaka is somehow revealed to be EVEN MORE evil than in the endings where you take them down, V's "recovery" is horrific, you still get an expiration date, and the epilogue doesn't really feature any of the other characters outside of largely berating voice mails.I find it more fair than the star/sun to be honest...
Also to a RP point of view Takemura will treat you like a friend (he is very considerate and appreciative towards V) so if you considered as such the whole thematic of "choosing what's matter" really fall apart.
Also leaving the space facility and suggesting Goro to try follow your exaple of freedom, facing death rather than be turned as a Engram, is really dignifying toward the player.
You literally do the thing he asked you to do. Why is it so hard for you to be honest about this. There are supposed to be choices here so you have to deal with their reality. You can't just pretend that you didn't enter in an agreement with Takemura and break it by helping Yorinobu. I mean if you want to say that you were manipulating and using him that's fine but stop trying to change the story to fit yourself.
You're completely erasing the culture context of him being a traditional Japanese samurai figure and instead calling him a fanatic... Idk it's actually a little offensive. But on the other hand, it is obvious that if you decide to just use Takemura, he doesn't figure it out, gets attached and trusts you when he shouldn't... Reading this in any other way is simply incorrect.Are you referring to any ending where you do not side with Arasaka? I ask because in the Sun I don't think Tak was betrayed at all.
I'd point out Tak was a glorified lap dog. His character was interesting but it's difficult to view him any other way. It's not really his fault either. He was plucked up by Arasaka in his younger years and conditioned into being a fanatic for them (unless my recollection is off). Blindly serving Saburo didn't help matters any. This is how I viewed his character.
If you pursue Hellman or the fate of Evelyn more light is shed on V's predicament but both result in dead ends. The only remaining option is Hanako. The only way the game lets you get there is through Takemura. Once you finally meet up with her and progress to the point of no return more options are available. Suicide at the very least. Various others depending on completed side-content. In other words, it could be argued V assists Takemura because it's the only option at the time.
This is how my V approached the circumstances. My V doesn't trust Takemura. She (in this case), doesn't necessarily hate him either. Sadly, there are no options available beyond teaming up with him. Thus, my V decides to do so and tries to keep interactions amicable. However, my V never intended to commit to his plan. My V never explicitly declared they would side with Arasaka. At most they said they would hear out their proposal. Although, there really is no way out of it. So whether it's a real choice or not is open for debate. Regardless, this is how I RP'd it in my head.
Once the point of no return is reached, after hearing out Hanako, more options were available. In my case all of them. Well, except for the "secret" ending since I handled like one response in dialogue with Johnny the "wrong" way (60% is not 70%, sad face). Upon reviewing those options my V decided the Arasaka plan wasn't the best path to a solution.
I wouldn't consider this a betrayal. My V didn't sign the dotted line and disregard the contract. My V said they would consider signing the dotted line. Then, when push comes to shove, they said no.
On the other hand, Takemura probably did see it as a betrayal. He was, as noted, a fanatic. An honorable fanatic but a fanatic nonetheless. Since my V did not go with his plan, and Hanako's proposal, he threw a fit during the credits and tossed some nasty language into the mix.
Saving him or not has very little bearing on the above. Again, my V didn't hate the man. She understood his motives and filled in blanks to explain them. As misguided as he was it wasn't his fault and he did not deserve to die for it. Furthermore, it's possible keeping him alive would smooth things over with Arasaka if that path was selected after evaluating the options. Barring that he might prove helpful in some other capacity. There are a lot of reasons you would save Tak. Many of those would do not indicate you were on team Arasaka.
In short, it's not really fair to say ignoring the Arasaka proposal is a betrayal. Not universally. It depends on how you approach the situation and the perspectives. Tak sees it as a betrayal because he's Tak. It doesn't mean he's right.
You may have an argument in other endings if Hanako kicks the bucket. Even there I'd say it's less about whether Tak was definitively betrayed and more a matter of perspectives. Especially because Takemura clearly had a hard-on for Hanako. I can't recall if the game even clues you in on the results of the rooftop decision in the moment either. As discussed earlier, it does poor job of it in various other areas (can't predict results without relying on hindsight).
Yeah, I remember that a few months ago when River was your main romance you were really mad about the endings like the rest of us. Then you romanced Judy and chose the Star ending and your reaction changed completely. This is not me hating on you or anything like that, I just think that is a perfect exemple of how the experience is different for someone that romanced one of the girls and did the Star ending compared to someone that romanced Kerry or River and did the Sun ending.I said this more than once, but i feel for you! I know star suits me well except of that scene before the credits which I would love to have with Judy instead, but you should have something as good as this for you and River.
You're completely erasing the culture context of him being a traditional Japanese samurai figure and instead calling him a fanatic... Idk it's actually a little offensive.
But on the other hand, it is obvious that if you decide to just use Takemura, he doesn't figure it out, gets attached and trusts you when he shouldn't... Reading this in any other way is simply incorrect.
Come on, you can't actually believe that. The scene where he and Smasher comes back up to find Saburo dead in the penthouse made it so obvious he knew Yorinobu killed his old man. I don't think he even needed to use the scanner in his fancy Arasaka optics in order to deduce that Saburo was strangled, not poisoned.I think you're selling Takemura short. He initially thought V was responsible for the death of Saburo.
They are pretending like the extra dialogue in the texts just doesn't exists for some reason.Come on, you can't actually believe that. The scene where he and Smasher comes back up to find Saburo dead in the penthouse made it so obvious he knew Yorinobu killed his old man. I don't think he even needed to use the scanner in his fancy Arasaka optics in order to deduce that Saburo was strangled, not poisoned.
When he called Yorinobu after getting V out of the landfill and said he found Saburo's killer, he was playing a mind game with Yori, pretending to be loyal in order to find evidence of the truth so he could present it to Arasaka's board and have Yorinobu ousted. His only mistake was thinking Yorinobu wouldn't see through this and send assassins after him.
Come on, you can't actually believe that. The scene where he and Smasher comes back up to find Saburo dead in the penthouse made it so obvious he knew Yorinobu killed his old man. I don't think he even needed to use the scanner in his fancy Arasaka optics in order to deduce that Saburo was strangled, not poisoned.
When he called Yorinobu after getting V out of the landfill and said he found Saburo's killer, he was playing a mind game with Yori, pretending to be loyal in order to find evidence of the truth so he could present it to Arasaka's board and have Yorinobu ousted. His only mistake was thinking Yorinobu wouldn't see through this and send assassins after him.