Some "Exotism" ?

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People with gills? Catseyes? Living in the slums? Sounds pretty cyberpunk to me.

sounds like a cheap way to get the shadowrun fanbase interested in cyberpunk to be honest
i have 100% trust in mike pondsmith and cdpr to make c77 a great game btw, but the original cyberpunk pnp wasn't without it's faults (just think of cyberpunk v.3) and i think exotics, at least how they were done originally, were one of those

how can you take the game world seriously if the people in it run around with sharkheads? it just looks stupid
 
http://www.oddee.com/item_96602.aspx

Happening now. Did you want to make tech NOW not-happen by 2077?

LOL. Nothing of this is tech. These guys and gurls are freaks tattooing themselves as if there was no tomorrow and wearing more piercings than you can find on a junkyard, pitiful trys to look different with given methods of today. And the few of 'em putting plastic parts beneath their skin are just plain idiots.

And yes, I don't want this to happen in 2077. Because by then, this will be antiquated.
 
I'd say it looks like some very real life prejudices are poking their ugly heads into the discussion.

You may not understand or appreciate what someone else does with their life, but I suspect that a hard look at any of us would find quite a few "just plain idiots" moments.

In any case, it is as much tech as any other cosmetic synthetic surgery you'd find in CP2020 - the base book.

In 2020, cyberware, cosmetic and practical, is very, very common. This isn't Deus Ex or HR. This isn't even Shadowrun, with their very hard Essence limit. In Cyberpunk, you can pack on loads of cyber for quite a reasonable price, so it's everywhere. It's not merely for the wealthy.


Anyway, all this said and done, I consider Exotics to be a side-issue for cyberware, a fetish of the wealthy. Which is where I'd appreciate seeing them.

And, again, it depends on what you term Exotic. the Superman package is bioware. Hell, it's all bioware - let us not get rid of that, please.
 
Anyway, all this said and done, I consider Exotics to be a side-issue for cyberware, a fetish of the wealthy. Which is where I'd appreciate seeing them.

This. I don't think it's necessary, or particularly desirable, to make it part of the character customisation, as that would have a game impact, but there should be the occasional NPC with this type of bioware.
 
This. I don't think it's necessary, or particularly desirable, to make it part of the character customisation, as that would have a game impact, but there should be the occasional NPC with this type of bioware.

It could make for an interesting NPC or two. It's nice to have a little diversity to the mix.

Wouldn't care either way if there were any exotics around. I'm sure there are stranger things in the original CP2020 that prolly shouldn't show up in 2077.
 
I'd say it looks like some very real life prejudices are poking their ugly heads into the discussion.

I don't have anything against this type of people, I really don't. everyone should do what he or she thinks is right and is beautiful. Most of these guys in the link are probably really nice people. The skeleton guy is, in fact.

But that won't stop me from finding others ugly and saying that loud. And that is no prejudice, my friend.

It would be prejudice if I claimed these people look like criminals that want to stab me because I like to dress Corp style.
 
LOL. Nothing of this is tech. These guys and gurls are freaks CYBERNETING themselves as if there was no tomorrow and wearing more CYBERNETICS than you can find on a junkyard, pitiful trys to look different with given methods of today. And the few of 'em putting CHROMED parts beneath their skin are just plain idiots.

And yes, I don't want this to happen in 2077. Because by then, this will be antiquated.

Well, it sounds like a Cyberpunk 2020 pnp character to me (with just replacing tatoo by cybernetics).
I don't know, i think that everyone has his own definition of "cyberpunk", but in the pnp, yes the world setting is serious, but outside the "rich / middle aera" it's plain madness, you'll have to deal with crackhead, crazy ppl, bums, etc... who have close to no education, and probably not any taste at all, so, why not?

Comparing them to shadowrun is wrong, in shadowrun, there's already dwarves, etc...
Here, it's just a few freaks who looks like "something different", but it would be a few people, maybe something like 100 or a lil more in a megacity "Night City" populated with millions of people.
So unless you freak out for 1 exotics on 10 000 people, i don't think you should be worried "if" they put them in

Anyway, if they're not in the game, i don't care.
 
It's at the same time somewhat amusing and somewhat confusing to see exotics cause any kind of discussion, because in the early 90s as we were playing Cyberpunk 2020, we (well, I at least) knew jack shit about "furries", and as such the exotics were just a normal part of the game. Of course I learned about furries later, but it didn't make any difference; Cyberpunk 2020 has exotics in it, and that's that. You're free to play your own game which has none, just as you're free to play your own Smurf Cyberpunk 2020. Point being, there's just one true vanilla original Cyberpunk 2020, and that's what's in the books.

Now, as far as whether they should be in Cyberpunk 2077, being that it will be a somewhat short, most likely still pretty much linear PC game adventure, I don't think exotics should play any huge part, but obviously there should be stuff like strip clubs you could visit with exotics as strippers, or some exotic escort accompanying some suit. That's just a given. I mean, what the hell? It's Cyberpunk 2020. Well, 2077. Same thing. :cool:
 
" being that it will be a somewhat short, most likely still pretty much linear PC game adventure,"

God I hope you're wrong about this.
 
I don't see how punk or goth culture is any more appealing then the CP2020 exotics.

I'm pretty sure some african tribesman is pointing and laughing at some of those individuals.

All these options are equally repulsive but would fit in in a seedy neighbourhood.
 
You are not really up to date, are you?
Lol...what? Have you played a CDPR game?

Compared to a PnP RPG campaign that lasts for years, yeah, it'll be a relatively short and linear PC adventure. The same way Skyrim - a game that's actually incredibly vast just like it's predecessors in the TES series - is a relatively short and linear PC adventure. Sure, for a PC game there's a fuckton of side quests in Skyrim, but the main plot you can go through in a few hours. Even if the main plot took you a good week of daily gaming, it'd still be a relatively short and linear PC adventure, compared to what I was thinking as I was talking about exotics - a feature of the PnP RPG - which is a PnP RPG campaign.

In such a campaign there'd be a time and a place for an exotic in a bigger role, but for a single player PC game, it'd be best to leave them as bystanders or some silly sidekicks.

Also, to both of you, I'm quite aware of what Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be like, and I've played the Witcher series (finally), so I know what RED are capable of. I've also played, as I said, some actually vast and complex sandbox games such as the TES series. However, all of that pales in comparison to a PnP campaign where you truly do have free reign over what kind of characters you yourself want to build into the plot, and if we're talking about PC games specifically, those kinds of single player games pale in comparison to MMO's, where you don't spend mere hours playing through, but actual years of game time.

I've not played WoW in a good while now actively, and I still have something like 550 days of active game time in it over the past 8 years. That's 550 x 24 = 13200 hours of actually moving my character around. Coming from a background such as that, and having played certain single player games for hundreds of hours on a single character or playthrough, you'll have to excuse me if I think a few hundred hours in a single player PC game is just a relatively short little adventure.

And that's why I don't think an exotic should be in a major role in such a game.

Good day, gentlemen.
 
Do I think Exotics should be in 2077. Yeah sure. You want 'borgs? Why not Exotics? As some of you have said, it really isn't part of Cyberpunk.

Really?

What about Goths? Are they Cyberpunk?
Motorcycle Gangs? Are they Cyberpunk?
What about Haykuhi Girls? Are they Cyberpunk?

In and of themselves, probably not.

But they all have something in common.

Style. Each and everyone of them has their own style. Is their own Style. With a capital 'S'.

One of the bylines of the Cyberpunk Movement is;

Style above substance.

So if I can play a character who's style in the 2077 game is a Goth, why can't I play someone who's an Exotic? As mentioned, it could be an extension of the Furries out there today. It's simply another style. Sure, it's more expensive and more permanent, but it's simply someones personal style.

Style, it's part of Cyberpunk. In a way, you could even say that Exotics live both halves of that word. Cyberpunk. Their Exotic kit is certainly the cyber half. and the style is certainly part of the Punk half. Obviously not the actual 'punk', leather and mohawk movement, but it could certainly be construed as 'sticking it to the man, to hell with blending in with all the sheep, I'm my own fucking revolutionary' type of punk.

I'm sure there is at least one or two characters in Gibson/Stephenson/Effinger/Sterling books out there with at least some cyber that has some animal traits. I just can't remember any off the top of my head atm. Cats eyes, ears, scale skin, maybe even a tail. I'm sure of it.

As for the poor, who's to say that the poor started off that way? Can't they be someone who was moderately successful in life, who's hit on hard times? Maybe they had some additional cyber, but hocked it? They may have hocked that left cyberarm (and any attachments), but they kept that right cyberleg. Helps them get away from others if need be. Hell they may even have a hidden compartment to hide some cash/drugs/kibble if the need to.

Indeed, some cyber is almost needed for every day life in the world of the PnP CP2020. You work in an office at a terminal? You'll be rocking with a neuralware processor and a Dataterm link most likely, maybe a chipware socket. And you'd then need some interface plugs.

Working a construction site? Neuralware processor and interface plugs, machine/tech link for the big dozers, maybe grafted muscle or muscle & bone lace. Or you could be rocking a cyberarm or two with some boosted options for additional strength.

Aside from the cyber arms, most of the other cyber isn't something you'd easily remove to hock if you've hit rock bottom and have to live in the gutter. As such, you'd see bums with an interface socket maybe on his wrist or behind his ear.

Back to Exotics.

An age ago, I ran a game of Cyberpunk 2020 for a group I had just joined. Most had heard of the game, but none of them had played it. One of the players made up a character, and gave him a Elf Exotic kit. As such, it was just a minor exotic kit, not all out. He also had given his character white Techhair. He had randomly rolled up his ethnicity, African-American.

He had, in essence, and totally by accident, made up a Dark Elf from D&D. I asked for each character sheet as they completed them, and this guy was the first. He had a fairly good grasp on his character and it was fairly straight forward. When I read the character sheet, I broke up laughing. Everyone stopped and asked what was so funny, including the player who made the character. I then gave it back to him and asked him to look it over, but stated there wasn't anything wrong. He gave it a bit of a look over, and started chuckling himself. He had seen the same thing I had.

I think I've told this story on here somewhere, and that he had made up a Fixer. I just realized that's wrong. He made up a Medtech. Did the Elf Exotic change his Medtech? No. Did it give him any bonuses or penalties? No. Did it change they way he played the character? Probably not, though he play it kinda on the sneaky/smarmy side. Kinda Dark Elfish. What it did do for the character was make it stand out, maybe not a leader in a flock of sheep, but certainly the black sheep in that flock. It totally established his characters style. Was he a particularly great Medtech? Not really. Did he save lives? Sometimes yes. Did he live large? Certainly not. But did he have style? He certainly did have Style (backed up by skills even from memory, unlike most of the other characters), and he had it in spades.
 
A fairly big assumption in this thread is that the rich would go for the exotics.

That's absurd, the "wealthy" (I use that term extremely loosely) are amongst the most conservative segment in society and for good reason. To pass in the corporate world or in a sales capacity, you need to inspire confidence and that means conservative clothing. Fashion have hardly changed for men and a businessman today would fit in in the 50s and 60s.

Imagine a stock broker he's a freak with a rat tail, a Mike Tyson tattoo and an anarchy T-shirt. and dress pants.

Would you buy stocks from him???
 
A fairly big assumption in this thread is that the rich would go for the exotics.

That's absurd, the "wealthy" (I use that term extremely loosely) are amongst the most conservative segment in society and for good reason. To pass in the corporate world or in a sales capacity, you need to inspire confidence and that means conservative clothing. Fashion have hardly changed for men and a businessman today would fit in in the 50s and 60s.

Imagine a stock broker he's a freak with a rat tail, a Mike Tyson tattoo and an anarchy T-shirt. and dress pants.

Would you buy stocks from him???

I would find it far more likely that the wealthy would 'employ' exotics. Hugh Hefner isn't far off from basically surrounding himself with 'play beings'. Afterall, they all fit a certain template; blonde hair, big boobs, skinny waists and they aren't around for their intelecual qualities. Also, in a world where cyberwear is rapidly becoming the norm it would be obvious that exotics could fulfill the role of 'shock value' for hired muscle which would have been filled by borgs.
 
I don't think anyone here wants full conversion exotics to be common on the streets of night city. It would be silly. But it doesn't mean character customization should be limited and source material should be ignored. I doubt a stripper with cat ears or blue skin, or a ripper doc with snake eyes or metal shark teeth would feel out of place in Night City and just because several options are available doesn't mean ANY npc needs to walk around with a complete set. The bar in the "death sticks" scene of Star Wars comes to mind as an example of how unique characters can paint a strange atmosphere that straddles foreign and familiar in that perfect compelling way. This balance that is so common in cyberpunk media is what I feel draws a lot of people to it. Just because the source pictures look silly doesn't mean they have to me portrayed in game that way.
 
To me, it all depends on the extent, and when exotic enhancements makes a person into a "furry".

Benefits:
Gills for underwater excursions? Put 'em in, though I don't see who would want to swim in any of the water in NC.
Cat eyes to see better in dark places? Put 'em in. After all, it is DARK AT NIGHT.
Ears for superior hearing? To an extent, at least a size limit. I could see how this could be used for survelliance.
Noses for superior detection? Again, to an extent, probably for detecting people or things in the immediate area.
Tongues for kinkiness? If your into that, your tastes.

Drawbacks:
Tails don't make much sense. TBH I think they would get in the way.
Fur could provide extra warmth, but why not just wear a warmer jacket?
Scales could provide armor, but then metal/kevlar is better, so cybernetics/vests.

I suppose there could be people who want to preserve their organic identity without becoming a machine, and bio-replacements would fill the part.
Otherwise, I would estimate that there would be cybernetics to mimic the design and asthetics of animal parts, like eyes or ears, but perhaps no actual organic material available, unless bought from....different sources.
 
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