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Well, if it makes it easier I'll just quote this part of your post. Apologies if quoting individual portions of your posts was getting in the way.First of all, I won't be getting on that quote train with you. You're taking that ride on your own, so if I miss anything... then you need to simplify.
Robocop is considered as a cyberpunk movie and there are enough articles explaining why.So... this is going to seem confusing, but Robocop isn't cyberpunk.
[...]Robocop is considered as a cyberpunk movie and there are enough articles explaining why.
You say this as if you couldn't possibly be wrong, and frankly, I hate that. People unwilling to depart from their preconceived notions and consider alternatives to what they believe are inflexible and you would be right that at this point, we can simply stop discussing it, but not for your reasons, but because you're not worth having a conversation with if you aren't willing to bend on what you think you know.
The fact is, you brought it up, and have yet to justify it as a cyberpunk narrative. You just asserted that it is one as if it is self-evident. Meanwhile, I have challenged your implied proposition that it is and... what, we can just stop discussing it? I've explained precisely why you're wrong, and in no uncertain terms, about it being cyberpunk. If you have an alternative understanding then instead of getting mad, perhaps just try explaining why you think you're right.
The story does, indeed, satisfy a few of the themes of cyberpunk, especially the theme of what technology might do to us rather than, as sci fi usually presents, what it might do for us. However, there is a very clear hero and villain in The Matrix, which is where it loses any resemblance to a true cyberpunk narrative.
What you could call it is post-cyberpunk, because it envisions a future that has gone beyond the cyberpunk world where the man v machine /technology dichotomy, a central theme of cyberpunk, has been completely subverted. But as long as the overarching narrative is represented by a hero's journey, ie Neo, then it is not cyberpunk.
But sure, we can stop discussing it. Genre definition is quite off the rails for this particular thread anyway, but in future, if you're not willing to have a discussion about a topic because being told you're wrong about it might upset you, then don't bring it up.
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Learning the difference between good and bad sources is a rudimentary function of critical faculty. Robocop is primarily satire but its core themes are entirely western - sci-fi hybrid. The very fact that it has a defined hero and defined villain makes it, at the very least, not cyberpunk, and any 'articles' alluding otherwise are wrong.
...because it doens't fit your definition of cyberpunk.
I'm not applying my definition of cyberpunk.
I'm applying THE definition of cyberpunk.
As I've stated previously, it is not an ambiguously defined genre. Nor is it a subjectively defined one. Robocop isn't cyberpunk in the same way that water isn't fire. What defines a narrative genre is not something that depends on personal/subjective interpretation.
First of all, dictionaries are references, nor sources.This is where we're running right into it because, of course, you have stated not only is it THE definition of cyberpunk but anyone who argues with it is wrong.
DICTIONARY DEFINITION OF CYBERPUNK:
1. A genre of science fiction set in a lawless subculture of an oppressive society dominated by computer technology.
Which absolutely fucking fits Robocop.
First of all, dictionaries are references, nor sources.
Secondly, dictionary definitions oversimplify everything.
Thirdly, whatever dictionary you got that from is wrong. Yes, dictionaries can be wrong. Especially American ones.
The definitions of fiction genres are established by academic study and consensus, not the dictionary. There are still dictionaries that define marriage as 'between a man and a woman'. Are we to accept that just because the dictionary says so?