Dragon Age: Inquisition

+
Hey, DA fan here (but enjoy Witcher too), thought you might like to hear some views on the DA fanbase and forums "from the other side" regarding the topics of conversation in the last 5-10 pages of the thread. Sorry for the long post.

Re: Romances - Yes there are some people online who obssess about the romances. They tend to stick to their respective character romance threads, which can be 100s or even 1000s of pages long. They are regarded as something of a humorous anomaly by the rest of the forumites. Generally they are seen as harmless eccentrics. Sometimes they can be very vocal. The above Tumblr quote ("another straight guy ?? really ?") was probably not written by a SJW or Feminazi (terms I dislike) but by a straight male. There are a handful of straight men on the BSN who are angry that they have less romance options than straight women have. The last two revealed romances were straight men, which pissed off a few men who wanted another female to romance.

Re: the Moderators. Chris Priestly was not just a mod, but one of Bioware's main PR guys. Stanley Woo worked in QA and just moderated the forums in his spare time. Neither of them were paid to moderate the forums. Chris Priestly was actually an alright guy: helpful, friendly and funny. I suspect the above quote is him on a really bad day. Stanley Woo was a different matter. I didn't dislike him but he was waaaaay too trigger-happy when it came to closing threads. Plus he only ever posted when he was closing a thread, he never actually discussed anything, unlike Chris. NB. Chris was laid off, not fired. Don't know why Stanley Woo left, but I doubt it was because of his crapness as a moderator, since that wasn't his job. The worst mod we have now is just called BiowareMod01. He/she is kinda Stanley Woo-lite. We also have Allan Schumacher, a QA guy who is reasonable, well-liked and who will read through 100s of posts and cull the one or two bad ones rather than lock a thread. All in all a very good mod and nice person.

Re: Gay content - the lead writer of DA is a gay man (David Gaider). After working with Bioware on 10 games over almost 2 decades, he's finally written his first gay character, who appears in DAI. He wrote most of Bioware's best characters outside of the Mass Effect series, none of them gay. The media picked up on the one gay character he's written and tried to portray him as a SJW. Kinda harsh. As far as the disproportionate number of bi characters, it's a pretty harmless gamey thing so that women and gays can get more content. It's a pretty small part of the game and apparently most players just play as straight males or don't do a romance. Other than occasionally appearing at Gaymerx (a gay games conference which gets zero publicity), Bioware do not make a fuss about their gay content. It's the "garme jurnalizts" who do that.

Re: BSN Video and general craziness of the forums - the above video was heavily selective in its use of quotes, was meant to be humorous and almost all the posts it showed were deliberately taking the piss and were not meant to be taken seriously. Every so often a genuinely bonkers topic will show up, usually made by a member who makes half a dozen posts then leaves. These topics will draw a lot of attention due to the sideshow-freakery appeal, then be locked. Basically standard troll threads that you get on any large forum.

Hope that helps to give a more balanced picture of Bioware and its online fanbase.

(PS. Re: 8 abilities. Yep, this is my biggest worry regarding DAI.)
 
Question. If the person was mad that there was another dude out there and not another chick, why'd they bother to mention they were straight?

Unless they were mad that straight women got another option, which looks to be what you're saying.

Which brings me back to the bioware fanbase being weird.
 
Haha it was just meant as a bit of explanation that I thought some might find interesting. I'm on my 12th pint and needed something to do.
 
Not all of the BSN is 'weird'. Many of them migrated over here once the devs started catering to fan demands. As for Gaider, he comes off as derisive but it's his forum and his right. I'd rather devs speak their minds.
 
Not all, no. I know two people from there that I'm friends with, so it's not like I think everyone from there is weird.

Well, actually three friends. And he is rather weird. Always talking about Yuri and lesbians, and trying to get me to watch that shit. No THANKS. Not into little underaged anime girls. The other one is completely normal, as is the other, though one of them is rather obsessed with Cullen, lol. Gets old, but she's really cool, so I don't care.

Oh, I forgot about another one, though we're more like acquaintances. She's obsessed with Loghain. Also cool, but eccentric.
 
Question. If the person was mad that there was another dude out there and not another chick, why'd they bother to mention they were straight?

Unless they were mad that straight women got another option, which looks to be what you're saying.

Which brings me back to the bioware fanbase being weird.

Yes there is the occasional strange person, which is to be expected in any large forum. The very few straight men who complain about the relative lack of romance options available to them invariably get the piss taken out of them by other forumites
 
Yes there is the occasional strange person, which is to be expected in any large forum. The very few straight men who complain about the relative lack of romance options available to them invariably get the piss taken out of them by other forumites

Sounds harsh. I don't think complaining about that is bad, per say. I think getting mad that the straight women get another option is kinda.... yea. But I was kinda underwhelmed by the options myself. But unlike them, I'm not invested in Dragon Age for being a dating sim, and I'm fine with going it alone if I don't like what is there. Josephine is pretty, but she could be as annoying as I find Ms. Wannabe Andraste to be. In which case, going single is an option I'm expecting, if I even get the game. I'm actually not invested in dragon age at all anymore after 2.
 
Sounds harsh. I don't think complaining about that is bad, per say. I think getting mad that the straight women get another option is kinda.... yea. But I was kinda underwhelmed by the options myself. But unlike them, I'm not invested in Dragon Age for being a dating sim, and I'm fine with going it alone if I don't like what is there. Josephine is pretty, but she could be as annoying as I find Ms. Wannabe Andraste to be. In which case, going single is an option I'm expecting, if I even get the game. I'm actually not invested in dragon age at all anymore after 2.

Well, yeah maybe I didn't word it right. If your attitude is "I'm disappointed that none of the romances appeal to me and I wish so-and-so was available" then you'll be treated respectfully. If your attitude is "Wah! I'm the majority and I deserve more" then people will laugh at you.
 
Hey, DA fan here (but enjoy Witcher too), thought you might like to hear some views on the DA fanbase and forums "from the other side" regarding the topics of conversation in the last 5-10 pages of the thread. Sorry for the long post.

Re: Romances - *snip for space*
Re: the Moderators. *snip for space*
Re: Gay content -*snip for space*
Re: BSN Video and general craziness of the forums - *snip for space*

Hope that helps to give a more balanced picture of Bioware and its online fanbase.

(PS. Re: 8 abilities. Yep, this is my biggest worry regarding DAI.)

Thank you for taking the time to write as much as you have though I do disagree with a few of your points.

Romance being part of fiction makes sense, gay/straight, if it is written well people don't seem to take issue with it. The obsessive fans on the other hand are not contained by their respective threads though. Ive seen many a thread topic derailed to focus on romance specific topics and new romance related topics show up everyday in almost every sub forum.

As for the moderators I lost a lot of respect for Chris Priestly in the time I was active on BSN. Ive seen him openly insult and mock people and after people filled the forums with DA2 hate I would be reading posts by people that didn't like DA2 but were respectful of other members and see a DA2 fan insult people openly, hit refresh to see new posts in the thread and the respectful post was deleted and the post supporting DA2 and insulting to specific other forum members stay up.

Often times when topics are going fast I understand moderators can't get every insulting post down and some might get deleted by mistake but it happened far too much for it to be an accident and an oversight. You could be disrespectful all you wanted as long as you were pro-bioware. I posted one example of Chris but if anyone cares to go digging for his posts it wouldn't take long to find more insulting posts he made to customers as he did so quite often.

You should really look at page 217 and on about 7 or so pages for a gay content conversation in this thread. A lot of people took issue when someone suggested out of no where that Witcher fans do not like homosexual content and we had several members and moderators post their feelings on the issue for many pages.

In the end I think a lot of people in this thread liked Origins, disliked DA2 and don't have high hopes for DA:I. Myself among them. However I would buy DA:I if I give it enough time post release to see reasonable customer reviews on the game. As someone posted earlier its easy for people to jump on a 'I hate Bioware' bandwagon and post bad reviews without even playing the game and while I admit that will happen some places it will be easy to see a well written and articulate review for what it is and ignore the trolling reviews of "DAI SUXXXXXX< DO NOT BUY!!!1!!!' And I think a lot of people posting here would have zero problem buying DAI if it turns out to be a really good game. After all they are taking an interest in the product enough to post and share their thoughts on the subject.

But I think people understand that the crazy over the top people on BSN are not representative of every BioWare fan.
 
Hello Muzio, welcome. Many of us are familiar with Bioware and BSN. I started playing The Witcher on the recommendation of Dragon Age fans, and several others migrated over here from BSN or post on both. Our criticism might come from cynicism, but not unfamiliarity.
 
Lets not try that. Bioware's made good games. Mass Effect 1 2 and 3 are all great. Origins is great.DA 2 despite the problems I had with it was fun for me to play and I made a lot of playthroughs on it. My only issue is the SJW influence and Mass Effect 3's original ending, which they to their credit gave a free dlc to correct. Didn't fix all of it, but it wasn't the terrible ending that made me too depressed to play the game more than once. That's actually the only reason I could play Mass Effect 3 again, so I'm glad they at least listened to their fan's outcries.

Should have known better in the first place, but whatever. Mass Effect 3 is the shit, especially that last dlc it had on the citadel.

Edit: Oh, and I'm still pissed they took Ashley's original character, a badass marine chick, and turned her into a typical bioware female. That did not sparkle with me one bit. Marines don't go into battle in high heels, makeup, their hair down and in a skirt. SMH. Leave that up to Miranda, who gets put down a LOT.
 
Last edited:
Lets not talk about how they whimpified Ashley or turned Samara into a suicidal idiot or failed to follow up with Alistair...god.
 
Re: chance

It's possible I was off the mark when judging Chris Priestly. I reviewed a fair number of his posts before I commented on him here to ensure my prior assessment of his character was accurate. However, I joined the BSN towards the tail end of DA2's DLC cycle, so it's possible I may have simply missed some of his worst moments.

I've finished reading pp. 217-224. There were so many points raised about gay content that I cannot possibly answer them all. I have never been exposed to the opinion that Witcher fans do not like homosexuals. I know a good number of Polish people and there is a common misconception that Poles are homophobic, which has been dismissed as false by my Polish friends. Perhaps this (ironically, racist) stereotype could be behind the belief that CDPR and its fans are anti-gay.

What I do hear as a criticism from Bioware fans regarding The Witcher is the inclusion of the so-called "sex cards", which last appeared in 2007. I personally think that while their inclusion was a mistake, it is gone from the series now and we shouldn't get too hung up about it.

The main criticism from page 217 onwards seems to be that gay - and by extension all - characters in DA are not convincingly well-written. Well, none of them are Anna Karenina that's for sure. As far as video games go, they are pretty good. It's more the opportunity for role-playing that draws me to the series, though.

As far as gay and bi characters conforming to stereotypes, there is some anger on the forums that bisexual men are de facto more attracted to women than men, as if their same-sex interests were an afterthought. And bisexual characters are in general accused of sleeping around so much as to be cliches. Purely homosexual characters have never appeared in DA before, so there is a degree of "wait and see" surrounding Dorian and Sera, despite the former's taste in fashion and the latter's ostensible lack thereof (she cuts her hair with a knife). So yes, both characters conform, at least very superficially, to common stereotypes surrounding gay men and women (high and low maintenance respectively). But the Bioware fanbase has been surprised by enough characters not turning out as expected that they will, for the most part, just wait until the game is out before judging.
 
Last edited:
The bigger a forum, the more crazies there are. Other hugely popular forums are similar to BSN like MMO-Champion. These forums might seem saner because there are (still) less people.
 
The above Tumblr quote ("another straight guy ?? really ?") was probably not written by a SJW or Feminazi (terms I dislike) but by a straight male.



He couldn't be more gayer I'm afraid. Or SJW-eyer. But this is also an interesting thing because Tumblr for better or worse opened my eyes in some ways. I do believe some of those people make reasonable arguments and have legitimate concerns - what I do not like however is that often those homosexual, black and otherwise "opressed" people can be just as fucking AWFUL and just as plain VILE there as in some stuff I read on Stormfront. I mean... holy shit the stuff you stumble on there - bullying, death threats, gloryfing suicide, general ignorance, propagating pseudo-science and it goes on and on.

It's all one, big echo chamber - and those that scream the loudest are heard the most. Which in some ways reminds me of BSN, where I do not post much, but do read the threads from time to time.
 
I knew that dude was gay, lol. I can always tell. Just like when my ma said she had a crush on some dude on tv. He was too handsome, beard hair too neat, clothes too nice. Five minutes later, someone calls him out and mentions how he used to do gay porn. Ma... devastated. Me, laughing.

Anyway, yea, people on tumblr really are terrible, and if you don't hate white males, some of them assume you are a white male "neckbeard", or blinded by white society, or some such horseshit.
 
http://www.incgamers.com/2014/09/dragon-age-inquisition-explains-skyhold-and-interior-decorating

"Lee describes Skyhold as “a huge fortress” from where the Inquisition directs agents and plot strategies against The Elder One. Most importantly for fans of style, however, this case “can be customized to reflect what sort of Inquisition you’re leading.” As well as decisions over major constructions like towers and courtyards, players will also be able to pick out some “statues, windows, drapes, furniture, and even heraldry” to their liking."


Also, a dungeon dedicated to all sorts of depraved orgies. Calling it now.
 
Top Bottom