Oversexualizaton in Cyberpunk

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It's been a reaaaally long while since I played FO3 but I don't remember laughing as in hahaha laughter unlike FO2 or 1.

I remember the vampires, my reaction was more like
"Right kid, you're gonna go far in life"

I don't know Sard. FO2 and 1's humor were full of clever pop culture references but FO3's jokes were a bit easy.

Would be interesting to see porn market in CP2077. Most strip clubs and such were I live serve the purpose to fund various biker gangs, so it would be a mechanic that could be interesting.
 
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I did read the article, including the reference to other cases, and remained unconvinced. These seem few and far between, and again, unconvincing to the very people making lots of money while ignoring these results. Science always comes down to numbers. Prove it, prove it, test it and prove it again.
You keep repeating that, but when you actually look at the numbers provided it appears that oversexualized women have 4x more ads than men in sector we talk about. I am not saying that there are or will not be ads with men. I am saying they most likely won't be anywhere near 50/50 and there are reasons for that. It's up to you (and others) to prove that this dynamic will shift. Drastically. Or that my proof is wrong. You don't want to? Fine, but then again you can't prove me wrong that way. You don't find my proof convicting? Fine, but that does not prove me wrong either.

I don't feel any need to produce evidence because I'm not the person making sweeping statements about someone else's (or even my own) gender. And I recommend anyone doing so find evidence when they do these things because that way, if someone OF that gender or age group or whatever takes offense, at least there will be some kind of evidence to stand on. Which...might...reduce the trouble? Maybe?
Not really. When it comes to convictions many people have tendency to defend their established world of view, often inspite the truth.

It's like people in my country who want to ban some movies or spectacles. Because they find them offensive. Funny thing is they didn't even watch them. Or group in another, where they try to "police" stuff that's not following their own beliefs, although they themselves are immigrants and should respect laws and culture of a country they are in. Coming in and saying that something might be found offensive is silly, because anything can be found offensive, even if it's objectively not.

As for my logic, let me be clear - you are not allowed to say lots of things on these boards. You can check my sig for the forum rules, but if what you say comes across as racist, sexist, discriminatory, or offensive, it's not allowed. Whether the mods - me, in this case - do something about it is up to us, but those are the ground rules.
Who is to say that what I say is racist, sexist, discriminatory, or offensive? You? Because if that's the case then it's purely about you and not about my arguments.

I had the conversation with one guy a few years ago. We were doing fine. Then, out of the blue, another person (a moderator, to make this even more funny) said that my co-discutant has been insulted although he himself said, clearly, that he didn't feel insulted by me (and I wasn't insulting him, from my perspective). It's insane. What you do here is not that much different. I can understand protecting people from racist, sexist, discriminatory, or offensive stuff, but not when arguments are actually followed by evidence and are not even racist, sexist, discriminatory, or offensive to begin with.
 
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Who is to say that what I say is racist, sexist, discriminatory, or offensive? You?

Yes. I or any other moderator. If we tell you to quit it, quit it. Pretty simple, really. There is no freedom of speech here and I'm more interested in less risk of offense than some ideal of communication. Also, I'm not fair.

Certain threads are hot button topics - certain phrases are hot button phrases. If you start making sweeping statements about whole genders, then I'll probably stop you. If I notice it, of course. After I stop you, I'll then go back and edit what you said into something amusing to me. Just so we're clear.

I want us to have interesting discussions about interesting things, but we have to tread carefully around some things. We're on probation in some ways - we're allowed to talk politics here, since Cyberpunk is very modern-world political, but we have to be careful about it. Likewise, Cyberpunk is fairly sexual, arguably aggressively so, and so discussions of open sexuality are thematically apropos.

But if we go too far and start to wander too far into gender politics or anything that smacks to me of homophobia or misogyny, then it's edit-edit-ban-ban time for awhile.
 
Edit: Suhiira, above, would be on example. Providing she's, you know, a she. I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED.

And you can keep on wondering ... it'll give you something to do besides shovel snow, feed the sled dogs, and chase moose outta your yard this winter.

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Apparently sexuality of men does not sell that well as sexuality of women on ads. If it does not sell well then there should be less of it, because poor advertisements are not economically justified as they are not as effective.

Yeah but it seems lots of less then pragmatic products use advertising that goes off the deep end portraying the product as "fun", "sexy", or "cool". Nothing useful to say about the product so pitch it to the ego rather then the intellect?
It really make me wonder sometimes how it touch with reality Marketing types are.
 
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Yeah but it seems lots of less then pragmatic products use advertising that goes off the deep end portraying the product as "fun", "sexy", or "cool". Nothing useful to say about the product so pitch it to the ego rather then the intellect?
It really make me wonder sometimes how it touch with reality Marketing types are.

Yeah. how much money did you bring in last year pitching vanity products to consumers again?
 
And you can keep on wondering ... it'll give you something to do besides shovel snow, feed the sled dogs, and chase moose outta your yard this winter.
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Hey! HEY! I don't have sled dogs! That's a bare-faced lie!


....the meese ate them.
 
Hey! HEY! I don't have sled dogs! That's a bare-faced lie!


....the meese ate them.

A question about language.
Is "meese" the plural of moose in the same way geese is a plural for goose?

And a followup.... Do the meese in your country have a taste for blood, because if they did, that'd be pretty damn awesome from the evolutionary side of things?
 
Meeses are fearsome blood-hungry moose.

 
It's some dumb Canadianism. The rest of the world knows full well that meese is the plural of mouse.

As opposed to "mice"? :D

I thought my language was hard.


(and that's not even the half of the word as it also means several other things for different contexts...)
 
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Yeah but it seems lots of less then pragmatic products use advertising that goes off the deep end portraying the product as "fun", "sexy", or "cool". Nothing useful to say about the product so pitch it to the ego rather then the intellect? It really make me wonder sometimes how it touch with reality Marketing types are.
Information on product is part of selling you the idea that for some reason you need it, but it depends on product and advertisement in question. The other part is notifying you that such product exists. When something is marketed as sexy it's either to gather attention (and sexy stuff catches many eyes) or it's directed to those who want to feel sexy for whatever reasons. Giant advertisements for female underwear in cities? The whole space is dedicated to brand and a woman wearing it. It's not about intellect. It's about how it looks. It's about maketing brand. It's about suggestion that this looks sexy and you too can look sexy. It's about buying a better image of yourself. That's how marketing works - it's creation of needs for the most part.
 
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It's about maketing brand. It's about suggestion that this looks sexy and you too can look sexy. It's about buying a better image of yourself. That's how marketing works - it's creation of needs for the most part.

Actually that brings up a point I've always been curious about.
Apparently advertising works else companies wouldn't spend so much time/money on it. But I, as an individual, pay basically zero attention to it. I really don't understand why anyone would buy X vs Y product based on marketing.
 
Depends on what you mean by "advertising works". Advertisement can sway people who are looking for something specific and all they want is to be convinced. If someone is looking for PC hardware and roughly knows what he or she wants (new graphics card, for example) the brand itself might not be that important (unless we speak about someone already attached to one brand or another for some reason) and that's where marketing a brand can be influential for sales. If I am comfortable with my pants then I am much less likely to buy "good quality male underwear" I read about on the Internet, because I don't feel like I need them (because I already have them). When you're looking for something you're much more susceptible to ideas and suggestions when making decisions.

There is, however, a difference between what I've said above and saying that because something is done in marketing thus it works. It's not that simple. Marketing is prone to habits. Including bad habits. The fact that people are doing stupid things does not mean their actions are not stupid. Or effective. If you keep repeating your message it'll have less of an impact, but some people still do not understand this and keep doing that. This is exactly what I mean. Not everything used in marketing is effective or as effective as it could've been.
 
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Hah. That's not actually too far from the truth. (But you will find no shame here, buster!!!!)

And as per tradition, the swearwords of the foreign language and their use were learned almost to a tee while the rest was.... well, as the subtitles said. :p
 
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