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"Get Junior" all messed up

I know there's a glitch to do with Gangs of Novigrad and this quest, but this isn't that.

Basically, I ignored the Gangs quest and went ahead to Roche's camp having done the other branches. Roche and I went to see Radovid and then the next quest was to go to Whoreson Junior's base. I noticed that this point that there were two failed subquests, "Find Whoreson Junior's hideout" and "Search Whoreson Junior's hideout using your Witcher Senses".

I pressed on and approached the gate of his base, the place the quest marker was telling me to go. The two guards blamed me for killing two people, I forget their names but I have no idea what they're talking about. Either dialogue choice triggers combat. I searched the guards and one had 7 keys to the gate on him. I went inside the compound and everyone is hostile and a new subquest appeared only to instantly fail: "Use the secret passage to reach Junior's hideout".

So basically, what the hell happened here? I feel it's worth mentioning that at two points previous, many many hours ago, some random Whoreson henchmen attacked me for no reason as I was just walking around Novigrad. No dialogue, no nothing, just like how bandits attack you.
 

Lipti

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I have exactly the same problem. After talking to Radovid(?) the previously marked green objectives "Find Whoreson Junior's hideout" and "Search Whoreson Junior's hideout using your Witcher Senses" get marked with a red cross :( Getting attacked by the guards and receiving a failed "Use the secret passage to reach Junior's hideout". This really bothers me.
 
So basically, what the hell happened here? I feel it's worth mentioning that at two points previous, many many hours ago, some random Whoreson henchmen attacked me for no reason as I was just walking around Novigrad. No dialogue, no nothing, just like how bandits attack you.
There is at least one area in Novigrad where two 'Whoreson's Henchmen' attack you. They also seem to respawn. I'm not sure if this is a bug, or if they were supposed to be just named 'bandits'.
The two subquests failed because you essentially took the quicker route by talking to Radovid. The two people mentioned by the guards at the gate happened to me as well, I believe this happens if you attack his casino and his fighting pits with Cleaver's dwarves but I'm not positive.
 
There is at least one area in Novigrad where two 'Whoreson's Henchmen' attack you. They also seem to respawn. I'm not sure if this is a bug, or if they were supposed to be just named 'bandits'.
The two subquests failed because you essentially took the quicker route by talking to Radovid. The two people mentioned by the guards at the gate happened to me as well, I believe this happens if you attack his casino and his fighting pits with Cleaver's dwarves but I'm not positive.

Actually made an account specifically to answer this haha. I played back through and got the option to sneak into the secret passage. So here's what I did:

I entered myself into the arena as a bodyguard contestant and killed all of the contestants/monsters (eventually ended up killing everyone since Cleavers group infiltrates). Found the hidden cache in the arena, and finished. Finally, went to the casino, THIS IS THE IMPORTANT PART. After you beat two of the gwent players you will be invited up to the special players den.....clearly a trap, BUT you must accept it. If you do not, everyone will witness you kill all of Whoresons guards which is what causes blocking the secret passage option. So, choose the option to go upstairs, kick ass, help the half-ling, and gtfo. After that I spoke to Sigi to tell him that Whorseson was allied with the Redanians and then went to meet Roche. Finally I met the king and he sent me to Whoreson Juniors hideout.

When get to Whoresons estate you speak with the guards and mention that you're here for the girls, and you're the new guy.....and ta da....secret passage

All of that being said, I'm sure there's some other way your actions can screw you from getting the secret passage, but this way worked for me.

As a side note, I skipped the part where you can go to Whoreson Junior's hideout and investigate. So, skipping certain parts of the quest may not necessarily block the secret passage. It seems to be based more on the way you go about finding Whoreson. Basically, stealthy approach = secret passage. Wanton slaughter = no secret passage

Good luck and hope this helped someone lol.
 

Lipti

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Actually made an account specifically to answer this haha.
Thank you :)

Did you manage to have all objectives marked green (even after being at Whoreson Jr.)?
I think the way you described would solve my secret passage objective problem, but I'm not sure if the two previously marked green objectives (see my post above) keep marked green. I had the problem, that after talking to the king the objectives become marked with a red cross.

I'm wondering if maybe it's possible to avoid the side quest "The Gangs of Novigrad" completely by just not talking to the dwarf at the moment were talking to him adds the quest to the quest log? Or do I have to talk to him to continue the main quest, meaing there is no way to skip the side quest completely? Having the quest in quest log results in failing (without using the help of the dwarfes) or succeeding (but not being able to enter the secret passage, thus failing that objective)?
 

Lipti

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Another thought: Is it possible to disguise him before approaching the guards and not to be recognized? I think Dudu(?) had some masks to sell...
 
The main quest objective is met when you find Whoreson's hideout in Oxenfurt. There's more than one way to get this, and some will result in "fails" on intermediate quests. I'm not sure if there's minor bugs in it, but overall, the descriptions in these posts sound like "working as designed".

There are the three sidequests - the Casino, the Arena and Whoreson's house in Novigrad. Each one of these is sort-of optional, and you only need to complete enough of it to get enough info to go to Djikstra and make the accusation that Whoreson is working with Radovid. This triggers the Roche/Radovid quests.

You can get info at the Casino and the Arena. I don't think that there's any info at his Novigrad house, but I'm not sure about that.

You have the option of going with Cleaver on the initial visits, or not. You don't need to speak to Cleaver after the first discussion, you don't need to agree to work with him if you do meet, and, in the case of the Arena at least, you can ignore his plan and sneak in even if you HAVE agreed. But Cleaver will go ahead anyway, with or without you.

In terms of main quest progression, as long as you get the option to go back and speak to Djikstra, you've done enough. Obviously, doing the full set will give you more XP and loot.

I know there's a glitch to do with Gangs of Novigrad and this quest, but this isn't that.

Basically, I ignored the Gangs quest and went ahead to Roche's camp having done the other branches. Roche and I went to see Radovid and then the next quest was to go to Whoreson Junior's base. I noticed that this point that there were two failed subquests, "Find Whoreson Junior's hideout" and "Search Whoreson Junior's hideout using your Witcher Senses".

This sounds as though you went to the Arena and Casino, but didn't go to Whoreson's Novigrad hideout. Or, if you did, you didn't find everything possible there. If you did go to the hideout and found everything, then it reads like a glitch in recording the quest result.

I pressed on and approached the gate of his base, the place the quest marker was telling me to go. The two guards blamed me for killing two people, I forget their names but I have no idea what they're talking about. Either dialogue choice triggers combat. I searched the guards and one had 7 keys to the gate on him. I went inside the compound and everyone is hostile and a new subquest appeared only to instantly fail: "Use the secret passage to reach Junior's hideout".

OK, this one I've no idea. I haven't come across that.
Apart from the "seven keys" I just saw that. I don't know exactly who I'm supposed to have killed either, but I don't think that's important. It could even be mistaken identity :)

The implication of the failed quest is that there's another way in, not through the main gate, so you "fail" as soon as you approach the guards. I have no idea where the other entrance is.

I feel it's worth mentioning that at two points previous, many many hours ago, some random Whoreson henchmen attacked me for no reason as I was just walking around Novigrad. No dialogue, no nothing, just like how bandits attack you.

That's normal.

I'm wondering if maybe it's possible to avoid the side quest "The Gangs of Novigrad" completely by just not talking to the dwarf at the moment were talking to him adds the quest to the quest log? Or do I have to talk to him to continue the main quest, meaing there is no way to skip the side quest completely?

It's possible to avoid the sidequest at first by not speaking to him, but I think it will still get triggered (and therefore fail) anyway when he attacks the Arena while you're there. I've not found a way of stopping it coming up at all.
 
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Lipti

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This sounds as though you went to the Arena and Casino, but didn't go to Whoreson's Novigrad hideout. Or, if you did, you didn't find everything possible there. If you did go to the hideout and found everything, then it reads like a glitch in recording the quest result.

Has anyone here ever managed to have "Find Whoreson Junior's hideout" and "Search Whoreson Junior's hideout using your Witcher Senses" marked green AFTER talking to Radovid?

No matter which plot I choose, having these objectives marked green or not done, after the talk to Radovid they are getting red crosses.

If there is a glitch, does anyone know if it gets addressed in the next patch (1.07)? Maybe I'm doing side quests in the meantime so I can progress with the main quest after the patch...
 
God, do I freaking read right here now... please, I must know this, because if what I read here is correct, then I maybe know now, how to get both quests done with no fail marks and no gang quest completely failed, at least it exist a 50% chance for this, unless CDPR are total antisocial trolls that like to torture perfectionists with unreasonable stupid fail marks that make no sense for optional tasks, once you finish a quest to let them appear right after...

Heres my thought that might be the solution to everything:

1) Start with the get Junior Quest, until you have all the options free how to continue further

2) Go first to the Hideout at the Temple Area, as theres no fighting, just search with Witcher Senses everything up, until you discovered all red things, just to realize, that here are no clues about Junir, nor Ciri and to get this obsolete task directly done and of from your to do list.

3) Go now for the Casino, without having talked with Cleaver, so that you can do it solo, don't talk with any of the NPCs about Junior/the owner, or the Card players become suspicious of you, if you belong even into this place, or even warn you, that they call the thugs, if you keep on asking about Junior so directly ect..
Instead, play and win best 2 Gwent Matches, then instantly accept the offer to the obvious trap to kill in a hidden place the minimum amount of 3 npcs without that you have to fight everyone, this ensures as i learned now from this thread, that the Secret Passage stays open, as we seem not to kill the 2 friends of the gate guards then, which must be the 2 door guards at the front dooor of the casino, so they aren't later hostile and explain you ,where the secret entrance is..
Be caustion, the battle up there is tough in DM difficulty, as the room is very small and not really good for a fight there agaisnt multiple opponnents that hit like trucks, if they can quiickly hit you together from behind, as one uses also an axe that does significant damage, if the wielder hits you from behind with it and staggers you, making it possible for the other 2 to finish you quickly off when you get surrounded. So be prepared to make maybe some reloads here if you die.
At the end, free the gnome to get a little reward sidequest.

4) Talk now with Cleaver to get his raid for the left over Arena running. Quest Log doesn't mention anymore Casino, if you have it done already the Solo Way, before talking to Cleaver

5) Now you have to do only the Arena with the help of the Dwaves, be careful, the arena is full of lvl 12 enemies that easily can kill the dwarves with like 1-2 hits and you don't want them all to die, or Gangs of Novigrad will instantly completely fail!!!. SO work alot with Axii and Igni and use strong defense ignoring attacks against Axe wielder, quickly take out shield wielders with Axii and make your foes burn if needed with igni to prevent them from attackign the dwarves as burnign enemies stop attacking and make it naturally also for the dwarves easier to kill for you the NPCs. Try always if possible to attack enemies from behind, as you will do signicantly more damage then.
You can try to kill more npcs of the following rooms, because not always do rush all the survived dwarves quickly to the next room, it can happen that they stay behind a safe iron grit door, as long as 1 thug is still..but make sure you use here potions/Decoctions, as they make all the battles significantly easier. A sword that has a good chance to burn/freeze foes is also very helpful here or one with very high chance for critical hits and naturally the oil that increases damage agaisnt humans, as high as you can get it. Quen is also your natural friend here, use it to protect the dwarves as good as you can, by taking rather self the hits playing kinmd of bodyguard here as you absolutely want, that at least 1 single dwarf survives all this mess. Make best a save file before doing this in case that you fail to protect the dwarves and all die.

6) After having killed of everyone, DON'T FORGET TO LOOT IGOR FOR HIS KEY, as only when you loot it, you can open his little box to get the Info about the existance of a Secret Stash that is in the very near, halfway in a sideway, that leads you a stock deeper to a place, where when you use Witcher Senses will see a red marked torch and a yellow place at the wall which is the Secret Stach, use the Torch while holding the Witcher Senses to interact with it, voila, loot the Stash.

7) Return to Cleaver to fiinish Gangs of Novigrad. Due to the point, that you have doen half of the work without his help, he will give you also only half the reward (150 gold instead of 300), but Gangs of Novigrad will be finished with no fail marks and stays also so, its basically fixed to this point..
Always make sure, that you finish Cleaver, before finishing Count Reuvens Treasure Quest

8.) While being at the Reuven Treasure Quest, ask Menge first for the Treasure, then Dandelion, if you want to get a better rewards later at the game, even it it might be useless, but also a large amount of Gold, even if also that you won't need anymore, as its way too easy to make tons of gold early on and at the point of beign at this quest, I had already over 20000 Gold+) If you don'tcare about Dijkstra being happy, ask about Dandelion firts and you can watch a beautiful and yet so awesome angry Triss finish off Menge for the tortures in her charismatic blind rage. (really love Triss in my German localized game, the actress made such an super awesome job, exept for the torture moans, but I guess, too realistic and USK wouldnt have let the game through as being for mature players as i know this crap rating institution of our country...)
If you killed Menge, before the torture has ended, you have to do a little Side Task more, meeting up a Spy at Ferneck called Yarmak or something similar. Quite entertaining too as a little alternative for not seeign the cruel awesome Triss earlier :D

9) After having done first Cleaver with Solo Casino before talking to him, Dwarf Raid Arena after talking to Cleaver, Looting the Secret Stash and finishing Cleavers Quest, before talking with Vernon/Radovid, then has the tiem come to finish the Get junior Quest.

10) Due to havign done Casino Solo and not having killed the Casino Guards, the Juniors Hideout Guards should be now friendly towards you, when you say to them, that you are the first time here, and that you come for the whores, then they should tell you about the secret Entrance (at least thats what I read about it in the Internet), then use the Secret Passage that you find in Oxenfurt in a house south east of it near the water. if you cant find it, just google Witcher 3 Secret passage and you should find a video about it, which shows its location on the minimap on second 5.

11) Use the Secret Passage, loot the Schematic for the Enhanced Catt School Trousers, if you weren't here before, kill off some junior thugs and kill Junior at the end to finish Get Junior and when everythign of this has been done right and CDPR are not antisocial trolls that like to punish perfectionists, then this should solve this quest mess with finally having both quests done with no fail mark and no failed gang of novigrad quest!!
Junior wi ldie so or so, so no reason to spare him, and it feels so much more satisfying to kill this dirty bastard self when Geralt is already in a serious bad mood anyways ^^


I'll make a final 3rd and last big try for this thing here, to test it out, if this theory gets it finally done right. my last try I made arena solo and went into casino with dwarves, just to see, that arena gets killed off everybody at the end anyway, so I thought, this will be for the other way around also too the case with the Casino, that everybody will get killed anyways.
But after reading this thread, I never thought about it before, that taking instantly the choice to go into the trap might turn out, that not everybody gets killed there, including the 2 door guards!!, but just only the 3 npcs in the upper stock behind the closed door where nobody of the other thugs recognizes the rumble up there, so that you could leave the place without that everyone got killed.

Definetely worth another try. Hopefully it will be the perfect solution that I search for so desperately. Good, that I have still a save, where I can begin from new completely, if anything doesn't go out as i like it, also in case that this mess might get patched or so, I have the chance to redo it later...
 
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@Orpheal: Nope:
3) The remaining guards in the Casino will attack you when you leave the room
4) After leaving the Casino and speaking to the dwarfs, he says that there is no one left to beat up and the dwarfs leave (with a failed objective in the Gangs of Novigrad quest)
I didn't read the remaining points because in my opinion it is not possible.
 
I know there's a glitch to do with Gangs of Novigrad and this quest, but this isn't that.

Basically, I ignored the Gangs quest and went ahead to Roche's camp having done the other branches. Roche and I went to see Radovid and then the next quest was to go to Whoreson Junior's base. I noticed that this point that there were two failed subquests, "Find Whoreson Junior's hideout" and "Search Whoreson Junior's hideout using your Witcher Senses".

I pressed on and approached the gate of his base, the place the quest marker was telling me to go. The two guards blamed me for killing two people, I forget their names but I have no idea what they're talking about. Either dialogue choice triggers combat. I searched the guards and one had 7 keys to the gate on him. I went inside the compound and everyone is hostile and a new subquest appeared only to instantly fail: "Use the secret passage to reach Junior's hideout".

So basically, what the hell happened here? I feel it's worth mentioning that at two points previous, many many hours ago, some random Whoreson henchmen attacked me for no reason as I was just walking around Novigrad. No dialogue, no nothing, just like how bandits attack you.

I have had the exact same problem today ! totally killed my buzz about the game.... I got lead there by the quest marker before I should have got there and now I can't speak to him his name is in green and there is no way of speaking to him how is this even possible ! its a main quest ! unable to continue until patched up my save previous to this rediculous amounts of game time prior ! I had this problem with skyrim killed a guy that was part of the main quest when I started the game just merely looting his house and got caught when I went there with the quest he was still laid there on the floor dead ! havnt played it since and I won't play this until it is patched ! poor effort from the next gen
 
Has anyone tried making the CASINO first SOLO and NEXT doing the Area with ambush?
When I've done ambush at Arena with dwarfs first, THE GAME did NOT tell me to search Igor's body for key then to get his box near his chair which TURNS ON the bugged/non ability to get inside his secret stash.


Me myself I've completed this quest with no problems but I didn't have the secret passage as I did:
- 1 Talk to Cleaver and agree to him to ambush Casino/Area
- Go to dwarfes and attack WITH DWARFES Casino
- Go to Arena and IGNORE DWARFES (don't talk to them) and talk to Igor about being bodyguard and kill every monsters/oponnents in the area, after that dwarfes ambush it.
- When you do the step above THE GAME WILL ASK YOU to search Igor's body for key then to open his chest then to read letter (which ALLOWS to open his secret stash)

- After all I wrote above I went to cleaver and he gave me $150 instead of $300 because I only helped dwarfes at the Casino.
However after I went to Whoreson Junior hideout the guards protecting the doors attacked me (because of the casino ambush with dwarves)

That's why I'm asking "Has anyone tried making the CASINO first SOLO and NEXT doing the Area with ambush?", this is the last possible way to actually complete everything and use secret PASSAGE to whoreson Junior.
 
I managed to find a way how to complete the quest with all the marks green in quest log . This way the Secret passage did not appear in quest log. solution: do not approach the gate of the estate just go for it, in the direction of the barber and when it will pass, to the right will stables, then we jump on them roof and go over the wall to the property. then everything will remain green marks if we kill the whoreson. If we go and kill two guards at Gate and open it, secret passage will appear in quest log with red mark.
This way is working for me in 100%

Sorry for my bad English.
 
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I made the quest yesterday (and today), the best result with the secret passage I got is:

Bands of Novigrad:
+ Talk with Hacker
- Ignore the dwarfs in front of the casino
- Ignore the dwarfs in front of the arena
Get Junior:
+ Visit the whoresons hideout
+ Visit whoresons casino (stealthmode) and talk after this with the dwarfs (they mentioned thats nothing to do here)
+ Visit whoresons arena (Zdenek mode) and take on the bodyguard mission
+ read Igors note and find hidden stash
Bands of Novigrad:
+ talk with Hacker (get Exp but no gold). Quest succsess with two red marks and three green marks.
Get Junior:
+ talk with Sigi about the Redanian Connection and make the Roche part.
+ talk with the two guards and aftr some talk you will be send to the secret passage.

I think there is no perfect play in this quest. if you take the easy way (get help from Hacker), you won't get the secret passage, if you take the hard way (doing all alone) you'll get the secret passage.
 

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OMG this dude Sewek1988 are true SAVIOR!!! Respect and love you bro! NOHOMO. i'l do the Get Junior Quest without red cross on "Secret Passage" Objective :) thanks alot bro
 
I managed to find a way how to complete the quest with all the marks green in quest log . This way the Secret passage did not appear in quest log. solution: do not approach the gate of the estate just go for it, in the direction of the barber and when it will pass, to the right will stables, then we jump on them roof and go over the wall to the property. then everything will remain green marks if we kill the whoreson. If we go and kill two guards at Gate and open it, secret passage will appear in quest log with red mark.
This way is working for me in 100%

Sorry for my bad English.

For the sake of what is all good, can you make a video of this???
Not that I believe you, but I must see it with my very own eyes, before I try it self ^^

ANd with, I must see it, I mean the following steps:

1st: How you do Gangs of Novigrad,do you do both parts self, or do you do 1 part self before you talk with Cleaver and do then the other half with dwarfs, to get later only half reward and still TGoN finished with no fail marks.
2nd: How do you do Count Reuvens Tresure Quest, as its important, talking too early with Radovid, lets TGoN fail and could maybe affect also Junior...
3rd: How exactly you do the parts you described from this point on, once TGOn and Count Reuvens Tresure are done with no Fail Marks to the point, that you show that you kill Junior and show us them, that also Get Junior has no fail mark for the Secret Passage, like you described here.

PS: why i ask these things? Simple, because on my last try I absolutely didn#t approach the gate Guards, instantly went after both previous Quests were done successfuly with no fail Marks to Oxenfurt where the Secret Passage is, just to find out, that the wa is BLOCKED OFF with an Iron Grid, os that you can use it anymore and then to see stil lat the end the Fail Mark.

Sure, I didn#t make exactly now what you did there with going ont toe roof of a house there ect., but I can't think about it, how that in a hell should make a difference, over what I did without talking to the gate guards, not even getting at all near to see, that they could possibly see me ....


I just hope, that this quest fix in the change log of P1.08 will fix exactly this, so that the stupid secret passage becomes finalyl what it is - an optionality and thus doesn#t count then at the end as a fail mark for not choosing to use it, or getting it as a consequence blocked of, before you even had a chance to learn about it, that it even exists, because no killed earlier thug dropped for example something, that tells you, that there is an secret passage, or that you could find maybe that info as a paper sheet somewhere hidden in his hideout, before you get to know, where he exactly is from Radovid...

cause that would make sense then and is the reason, why this whole quest feels so damn messed up, because this little, but very important info seems to have been simply completely forgotten in the whole quest design.


@open World: Can you CONFIRM this, what sewek has written there, does this really work??? If yes, I ask you also nicely, can you make a video of this, which clearly shows, that you have done all 3 mentioned quests with no single Fail Mark (includes naturally also scrolling down the Marker, cause the lists are so long, that you don#t see everythign directly, what might lead into people maybe thinking, they failed nothing, when in fact theres a fail mark when you scroll down ... (just want to go sure)


@open World: Can you CONFIRM this, what sewek has written there, does this really work??? If yes, I ask you also nicely, can you make a video of this, which clearly shows, that you have done all 3 mentioned quests with no single Fail Mark (includes naturally also scrolling down the Marker, cause the lists are so long, that you don#t see everythign directly, what might lead into people maybe thinking, they failed nothing, when in fact theres a fail mark when you scroll down ... (just want to go sure)

@ Sieben: you can finish TGOn without fails, you talked way too late with Cleaver, thats all why the two markers failed for you. If you do the two areas already completely alone and talk then only with cleaver, the quest will finish instantly with those 2 markers failing, because youve done already everythign so that the dwarves aren't needed anymore, obvious, right???. You finish TGon only successful with no fail marks, if you do both parts either with the dwarfs, but then you must go sure, that on both sides always at least 1 dwarf MUST survive, or the whole quest fails instantly completely.
Or you do 1 part first self, like the arena, and then talk first with cleaver, to do the other half with help of dwarves, this will finish the quest also with no fail marks, but you get only half of the reward that is 150 orens instead of 300.
And you have to make sure, that you talk with cleaver, before you talk with roche/radovid, or TGon fails also completely
 
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I agree, this quest should be revised by CDPR. A different problem than the one mentioned by the OP:

I have advanced the quest to the point where I have to visit the casino and arena. I already visited Whoreson's house after it had been sacked by the dwarves. I have not talked to Cleaver at all (by the way, having an alternate path quest - Gangs of Novigrad - activate automatically, without the player MAKING THE DECISION to talk to a character to take the quest, only to have it automatically fail some time later if the player is not interested in it, is bad design imho).

So I get inside the casino, play 2 games, get invited to the gimp room, kill the 3 dudes, and receive the objective to talk to the tied-up halfling.


After I do, I automatically receive the objective "Search the casino for information about Whoreson", which is failed.

 

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So I get inside the casino, play 2 games, get invited to the gimp room, kill the 3 dudes, and receive the objective to talk to the tied-up halfling.

I think here you have to ask one time for juniors whereabout (maybe one specific customer or after getting to the top room). I missed the opportunity myself and forget every time trying this (maybe next walk :D ) but I can imagine it.

you finish TGon only successful with no fail marks, if you do both parts either with the dwarfs, but then you must go sure, that on both sides always at least 1 dwarf MUST survive, or the whole quest fails instantly completely.
Or you do 1 part first self, like the arena, and then talk first with cleaver, to do the other half with help of dwarves, this will finish the quest also with no fail marks, but you get only half of the reward that is 150 orens instead of 300.
And you have to make sure, that you talk with cleaver, before you talk with roche/radovid, or TGon fails also completely

Yes, I know that, but if you use the help of Hacker and his dwarven fighters at the casino and/ or arena then you can't get the hint to the secret passage at Juniors hideout. Some people here complained that they can't aquire both 100%, but that problem never bothered me, because I know the "Bands of Novigrad" and "Get Junior" Quests are an "either... or" - Quest:

I think there is no perfect play in this quest. if you take the easy way (get help from Hacker), you won't get the secret passage, if you take the hard way (doing all alone) you'll get the secret passage.

Edit: And of course I can undestand if the people are angry about missing the cat school diagram. There should be a solution for this (maybe not closed gate in the passage but closed door at the wine cellar)
 
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