Option to censor nudity?

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Not talking about Cyberpunk, talking about nudity in general, which does not automatically make the content better, and there are many artworks without it and they are masterpieces, in Cyberpunk though? We'll it's in the Cyberpunk world, and it's mostly there for reasons, not all of it but most of it which is fine and good enough, even though I personally find some of it's things a bit too much, as we talked about in the other thread.
But my comment was mostly about nudity in general and not in Cyberpunk, which can easily be abused for various bad reasons by content creators, this problem is in Cyberpunk even, Co operations abusing peoples instincts to sell their products, addict them etc.
Sorry Tyr117 I have been continuously editing my post like over 10 times, I wasn't aware you already replied yet. I wont read your reply for courtesy reasons until you re-read my now finished post so that I don't inconvenience you and further tangle everything up. I'll wait patiently until you confirm that it's safe for me to read and reply. Sorry about that lol.

edit: When it comes to drugs in real life, I can understand how people can get addicted, but when it comes to the human form, which is how everyone is born, I don't really think addiction is a thing, so much as it may be an individual issue. I'm not judging people who get addicted to nudity or anything, I'm just saying, that's an individual issue not necessarily like a big population wide-pandemic for the lack of a better word, it's just enough of a problem on a population-wide scale that you could say that's why babies keep being born lol, but other than that I don't think it's a huge issue. There have been masterpieces in art that contained no nudity, and there have also been masterpieces that did contain it, but sometimes it's done in a really tasteful and polite way in the sense that it just looks beautiful, but not really like "bad", although I could probably point out a few where it's outright horrifying, but I guess that was the whole point of the art, to invoke that emotion I suppose. Nobody forces me to like or dislike anything though lol
 
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Sorry Tyr117 I have been continuously editing my post like over 10 times, I wasn't aware you already replied yet. I wont read your reply for courtesy reasons until you re-read my now finished post so that I don't inconvenience you and further tangle everything up. I'll wait patiently until you confirm that it's safe for me to read and reply. Sorry about that lol.
Hehe, it's okay you can read now. Didn't need editing.
 
Sorry Tyr117 I have been continuously editing my post like over 10 times, I wasn't aware you already replied yet. I wont read your reply for courtesy reasons until you re-read my now finished post so that I don't inconvenience you and further tangle everything up. I'll wait patiently until you confirm that it's safe for me to read and reply. Sorry about that lol.

edit: When it comes to drugs in real life, I can understand how people can get addicted, but when it comes to the human form, which is how everyone is born, I don't really think addiction is a thing, so much as it may be an individual issue. I'm not judging people who get addicted to nudity or anything, I'm just saying, that's an individual issue not necessarily like a big population wide-pandemic for the lack of a better word, it's just enough of a problem on a population-wide scale that you could say that's why babies keep being born lol, but other than that I don't think it's a huge issue. There have been masterpieces in art that contained no nudity, and there have also been masterpieces that did contain it, but sometimes it's done in a really tasteful and polite way in the sense that it just looks beautiful, but not really like "bad", although I could probably point out a few where it's outright horrifying, but I guess that was the whole point of the art, to invoke that emotion I suppose. Nobody forces me to like or dislike anything though lol
I said the use peoples instincts in order to sell their products and addict them to sell more product etc, this is directly stated by a Dev about Sexualised ads and other things that you'll see around the game.
 
I said the use peoples instincts in order to sell their products and addict them to sell more product etc, this is directly stated by a Dev about Sexualised ads and other things that you'll see around the game.
Oh, I remember that, but of course CDPR isn't saying this as if they're doing it to the people playing, they said that in regards to the shameless corporations inside the game, who were willing to use sexuality to advertise products to the public, for example the various in game advertisements (about products that don't actually exist in real life) and how this is a message about how profit is everything especially to the beyond-corrupt corporations of the future. (I mean our corporations these days are pretty much horrible anyway, but in Cyberpunk2077 they're even worse, because it's a warning message about the future)
 
Oh, I remember that, but of course CDPR isn't saying this as if they're doing it to the people playing, they said that in regards to the shameless corporations inside the game, who were willing to use sexuality to advertise products to the public, for example the various in game advertisements (about products that don't actually exist in real life) and how this is a message about how profit is everything especially to the beyond-corrupt corporations of the future. (I mean our corporations these days are pretty much horrible anyway, but in Cyberpunk2077 they're even worse, because it's a warning message about the future)
Yeah exactly, that's what I'm saying from the start, if you read my previous Posts again you'll see.
But I personally do think that cdpr does this on a smaller scale aswell, now with that everyone might not agree with but that's just what I personally see here and there, as I previously said not all of it of course, but some of it here and there are for these type of practices that you see from Co operations in Cyberpunk.

Edit: Cdpr is much better than other Companies and Co operations that's for sure, but still.
 
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Yeah exactly, that's what I'm saying from the start, if you read my previous Posts again you'll see.
But I personally do think that cdpr does this on a smaller scale aswell, now with that everyone might not agree with but that's just what I personally see here and there, as I previously said not all of it of course, but some of it here and there are for these type of practices that you see from Co operations in Cyberpunk.

Edit: Cdpr is much better than other Companies and Co operations that's for sure, but still.
I can't really say CDPR is doing that to me, considering that I WANT it. Technically speaking, if I'm a consenting adult and I want it, I can't say that they are tricking me into getting addicted to it. And when can I really start to define it as an addition? When I play the game for several hours every day for weeks? months? I was probably going to do that anyway lol.
 
I can't really say CDPR is doing that to me, considering that I WANT it. Technically speaking, if I'm a consenting adult and I want it, I can't say that they are tricking me into getting addicted to it. And when can I really start to define it as an addition? When I play the game for several hours every day for weeks? months? I was probably going to do that anyway lol.
No not getting addicted to it, simply being enticed to buy the product, for sexual content, which is pretty messed up, especially if the sexual content is there to do exactly that, and even more so when the sexual content itself is also a messed up thing in the product such as the prostitution.

Edit: we were all over the forums today, they'll probably throw us out soon enough :LOL:
 
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No not getting addicted to it, simply being enticed to buy the product, for sexual content, which is pretty messed up, especially if the sexual content is there to do exactly that, and even more so when the sexual content itself is also a messed up thing in the product such as the prostitution.
Prostitution, I really don't like because more often than not it just ends up with people trapped doing something that they didn't actually want to do according to people who have spoken about it in documentaries, but from what I have heard, there are people who do actually want to do it as a job, and actually enjoy it, which I find really weird, but I guess that's their calling, and I don't know if I can judge on that.

All I know is that it's not for me, but it definitely does fit the theme and setting of Cyberpunk2077, and I can understand why it's in there. It does fascinate me how there are the gang "the moxes" in the game, which are essentially the human rights group version of prostitutes that band together to offer their services but in a way that they can't get hurt or mistreated, which is in a really weird way, admirable I suppose.

I guess that they realize that it's going to happen whether or not they decide to band up, so they decide to band together and make sure that at the very least it goes in such a way that is more refined and proper VS the other worse alternative. Essentially, they regulate the industry and raise the standards and quality and safety for both the clients as well as the employees, which is actually really smart. As I said, it's not for me in real life, but in a video game I would probably check it out because it's probably a part of the experience and I want to experience as much of the game as possible.

As for nudity and other sexual content in general I don't get how I am being enticed though. It's like I like ketchup. Okay, so this store is like "Hey hey people! We sell ketchup!, we know you like it, so come and get it!" and I'm like "oh hey, I LOVE ketchup! this is great! I'm happy someone is finally selling it!" so I go and get the ketchup. I'm happy, and they made some money too, so they're happy. It's not like I've been fooled, and it's not like it's the only reason I'm buying it. I'm probably going to put it on something else, because sometimes things are just better with ketchup. Just like CyberPUNK is just better with adult themes.

Lol and before I randomly get attacked by a random ketchup hater for being a ketchup pleb, I will preemptively defend my honor by saying that ketchup is actually condensed spiced tomato, which is actually quite fancy and elegant. (the actual food I mean)
 
Prostitution, I really don't like because more often than not it just ends up with people trapped doing something that they didn't actually want to do according to people who have spoken about it in documentaries, but from what I have heard, there are people who do actually want to do it as a job, and actually enjoy it, which I find really weird, but I guess that's their calling, and I don't know if I can judge on that.

All I know is that it's not for me, but it definitely does fit the theme and setting of Cyberpunk2077, and I can understand why it's in there. It does fascinate me how there are the gang "the moxes" in the game, which are essentially the human rights group version of prostitutes that band together to offer their services but in a way that they can't get hurt or mistreated, which is in a really weird way, admirable I suppose.

I guess that they realize that it's going to happen whether or not they decide to band up, so they decide to band together and make sure that at the very least it goes in such a way that is more refined and proper VS the other worse alternative. Essentially, they regulate the industry and raise the standards and quality and safety for both the clients as well as the employees, which is actually really smart. As I said, it's not for me in real life, but in a video game I would probably check it out because it's probably a part of the experience and I want to experience as much of the game as possible.

As for nudity and other sexual content in general I don't get how I am being enticed though. It's like I like ketchup. Okay, so this store is like "Hey hey people! We sell ketchup!, we know you like it, so come and get it!" and I'm like "oh hey, I LOVE ketchup! this is great! I'm happy someone is finally selling it!" so I go and get the ketchup. I'm happy, and they made some money too, so they're happy. It's not like I've been fooled, and it's not like it's the only reason I'm buying it. I'm probably going to put it on something else, because sometimes things are just better with ketchup. Just like CyberPUNK is just better with adult themes.

Lol and before I randomly get attacked by a random ketchup hater for being a ketchup pleb, I will preemptively defend my honor by saying that ketchup is actually condensed spiced tomato, which is actually quite fancy and elegant. (the actual food I mean)
Well... Whatever
 
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Very nice... :smart:
 
But you are ok with your children hearing the profanity and seeing the violence and gore?

[Edited -- SigilFey]

We've all been raised on violence and gore.

What about Hanzel und gretyl getting kidnapped by a cannibal Witch, which they throw, alive, in a burning oven?

Now, yeah, there are actual reason you don't show porn to kids.

As I said earlier, that game WILL ends up in kids hands, as every game did, from Mortal Kombat to GTA. (Cause that's how it is, we all played game we shouldn't have, you can blame parents as much as you want, kids will always do things in their back, I remember knowing kids that smoked pot and cigarettes when I was like 12... So...)

Also, the game is distributed by WB, a big wide selling machine.
You can be sure it'll be toned down to acceptable level to make sure the game makes maximal profit while keeping the most faithful adaptation of that world, but it has limits.

That game should be legit even without sex, violence and gore.

Remember that people will most likely stream their gameplay on YouTube, Twitch, etc...
So, I guess we can expect something pretty soft.

CDPR wants to tell a mature story, so, sure, it'll will involve sex, nods to sex, some kinky scenes.

It's a mature setting in which sexuality is present, yes, but I don't think overusing sex and having 10mn long interactive sex scenes or very detailled pénétration adds anything.

The game is splattered all over the place, so it'll be played by a loooots of different people/age.

Sure, I'd love to have a cool gore system with brain and guts splattered all over the place, but as for sex, it won't add much to the game, it would probably hurt it more with pueril scandals (some people only wait for that to ban it).

Videogames have less freedom than movie or music simply because it's a different media and it's often played by youth (more time on their hands and they tend to consume more), the softer your game is, the more you'll be able to sell it, and given the cost of that game, they need to sell a lot of it, so just do the math.

An underground movie or music band can do whatever they want. It costs way less.
For a AAA game, they have to find the right middle so it can be acceptable on a more large audience, it's how business work (remember the game hatred, it was just an edgy dude killing people for no reason and people freaked out, I don't remember such outrage for movies like human centipede or A Serbian Film, it's a different media and a different style of story telling).

They have tons of people to pay, a big budget, they have to make concessions.

[Edited -- Devivre]

Seemingly, female V gets raped at some point.
Should we live that scene with full nudity and seeing everything ?
Sure, that may be a good slap in the face with how ugly that world is, but you can probably understand why it would be way more tasteful if it's only suggested.

In short, I've nothing against extreme violence or nudity, but I can get why they'd need to find the right middle for it to be acceptable by differents culture and probably add a switch to remove some blood or genitals.

Just like the USA have a thing for their guns that is kinda "alien" for an european folk.
While in europe women go topless to the beach without much trouble while american folks seems more sensible to that.

Différents cultures, differents shock value :/
 
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@Maelcom404 " Seemingly, female V gets raped at some point. "

What ! Where have you got that from ? I haven`t heard that , do you have a link ?

Check the Ersb rating thing, they tells that at some point V gets raped and thrashed.

"V, enters a room. As V lifts her nose and mouth are revealed to be covered in blood.
She is alive, but [REDACTED] clearly “traumatised”. The implication of the dialogue and post-action visual references is that she has been sexually assaulted."



Still want your first person porn game?...


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"The report notes that “there are virtually no restrictions on the treatment of themes” in Australia’s R18+ classification. “The game contains no depictions of actual sexual activity nor does it contain explicit and realistic depictions of simulated sexual activity,” the board’s report says.
There’s a few things to keep in mind here. Implicit sex – sounds of people banging or pleasuring themselves – is treated differently to sex that’s depicted on-screen."


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That's why sex scenes will remain soft IMO, some part linked to it will be ugly (the dark side of the "sex happy hour") and they'll have to treat it in an impactful and tasteful way...

Given the scope of the project, having the Polish gouvernement backing them up (who are really prude and religious), they can't take much risks with it.
 
Check the Ersb rating thing, they tells that at some point V gets raped and thrashed.

"V, enters a room. As V lifts her nose and mouth are revealed to be covered in blood.
She is alive, but [REDACTED] clearly “traumatised”. The implication of the dialogue and post-action visual references is that she has been sexually assaulted."



Still want your first person porn game?...


Also:
"The report notes that “there are virtually no restrictions on the treatment of themes” in Australia’s R18+ classification. “The game contains no depictions of actual sexual activity nor does it contain explicit and realistic depictions of simulated sexual activity,” the board’s report says.
There’s a few things to keep in mind here. Implicit sex – sounds of people banging or pleasuring themselves – is treated differently to sex that’s depicted on-screen."


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That's why sex scenes will remain soft IMO, some part linked to it will be ugly (the dark side of the "sex happy hour") and they'll have to treat it in an impactful and tasteful way...

Given the scope of the project, having the Polish gouvernement backing them up (who are really prude and religious), they can't take much risks with it.

Ok i see that and don`t like it much , i hope that you can avoid that happening to V . Also the same thing has to happen Male V as well .
 
Check the Ersb rating thing, they tells that at some point V gets raped and thrashed.

"V, enters a room. As V lifts her nose and mouth are revealed to be covered in blood.
She is alive, but [REDACTED] clearly “traumatised”. The implication of the dialogue and post-action visual references is that she has been sexually assaulted."



Still want your first person porn game?...

"As V lift [redacted] her nose and mouth are reveled to be covered in blood."
And the use of "She" in "She is alive but [redacted] traumatised"
imply that it is not V but the first [redacted] that was sexually assaulted.

Edit : Also V is never referred as "she" or "her" in the article, when talking about the main protagonist no gender are used. Which makes sense since the player can choose.

So @CyberBrett you are safe : V is clearly not the one sexually assaulted.
 
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It's Cyberpunk guys, not a Marvel movie...

The main protagonist get raped in RDR2, so no reason it couldn't happens here (if it's been ok there, I guess it can be ok in such a setting).

That would probably sets a good reason to hate the bad guy even more.

So yeah, you can get beaten, tortured, you can abuse people (pay for sex with a prostitute, I don't really see it as a healthy thing...), there are police brutality, but oh no, don't rape my character...

You can turn it in any side, the text clearly talks about V, which has been raped, which is saddly a reality that happens in the world, like police brutality and poverty, it's how our sad world works and I'd actually be pleasingly surprised if CDPR had the balls to put such grim and realistic outcome in their game...

You want a grim and gritty realistic world? You want sex without censor?

Now, guess what would happens if a sexy girl would be the hostage of a bunch of sleavy streetpunks?

It's not funny, it's not cute, it's how a mature story would play out...

The thought of it does shock you? Well, that's the point.

It's not a cool world in which you're the super-hero, if it's actually played like that, I'd be pretty impressed, it means that they really portrayed a world just as shitty as it should be.

Most girl, IRL, don't walk alone at night for that very reason, so yeah, drop your rainbow glasses, no reason V couldn't have such things happening to her...

If it's really well written, it could actually be a very powerful story moment...
How to depict a pure motherfucking bad guy than one that let your character get raped?...

At the moment we only saw the "nice part" of night city, fun and all.
I wouldn't be surprised if we would face such horrid things.

Rape isn't a funny subject, it's not because you're the main character that it couldn't happens to you, I'd find it more impactful if it would happens to me, rather than a random side quest character I don't give a damn.

You want immersion in a fucked up world? You have it.
Kudos to CDPR if they really pulled their balls out and put the player in front of such dilemna.

"People abuse people on every level".

You really expected an oversexualisation of that game to show only the good things? There will most likely be such ugly thing and I'm really pleasingly surprised that CDPR throw them at our face.

It's supposed to shake you up, and seemingly it works well...
 
It's Cyberpunk guys, not a Marvel movie...

The main protagonist get raped in RDR2, so no reason it couldn't happens here (if it's been ok there, I guess it can be ok in such a setting).

That would probably sets a good reason to hate the bad guy even more.

So yeah, you can get beaten, tortured, you can abuse people (pay for sex with a prostitute, I don't really see it as a healthy thing...), there are police brutality, but oh no, don't rape my character...

You can turn it in any side, the text clearly talks about V, which has been raped, which is saddly a reality that happens in the world, like police brutality and poverty, it's how our sad world works and I'd actually be pleasingly surprised if CDPR had the balls to put such grim and realistic outcome in their game...

You want a grim and gritty realistic world? You want sex without censor?

Now, guess what would happens if a sexy girl would be the hostage of a bunch of sleavy streetpunks?

It's not funny, it's not cute, it's how a mature story would play out...

The thought of it does shock you? Well, that's the point.

It's not a cool world in which you're the super-hero, if it's actually played like that, I'd be pretty impressed, it means that they really portrayed a world just as shitty as it should be.

Most girl, IRL, don't walk alone at night for that very reason, so yeah, drop your rainbow glasses, no reason V couldn't have such things happening to her...

If it's really well written, it could actually be a very powerful story moment...
How to depict a pure motherfucking bad guy than one that let your character get raped?...

At the moment we only saw the "nice part" of night city, fun and all.
I wouldn't be surprised if we would face such horrid things.

Rape isn't a funny subject, it's not because you're the main character that it couldn't happens to you, I'd find it more impactful if it would happens to me, rather than a random side quest character I don't give a damn.

You want immersion in a fucked up world? You have it.
Kudos to CDPR if they really pulled their balls out and put the player in front of such dilemna.

"People abuse people on every level".

You really expected an oversexualisation of that game to show only the good things? There will most likely be such ugly thing and I'm really pleasingly surprised that CDPR throw them at our face.

It's supposed to shake you up, and seemingly it works well...

A lot of youtubers talked about this and they understood like me : this is not V getting raped. Why would V suddendly gain a gender while the rest of the text is very careful not giving them any ?

Now I'm not saying it will not happen, I don't know this, but in the rating they are not talking about our main character.

And a reason it should not happen ? Triggering trauma from real victims.

Yes in RDR2 it happen but it's not really shown, rather insinuated.

Once again it may happen in game, but I doubt it would be graphic, and you have no proof of it happening.

And I used the word "happen" way too much 😆 :LOL:
 
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Hi I'm an X Box One X player I respect the fact that the game will be very mature. I would like to request an option to censor the nudity in the game, but the devs should keep an option for players to switch between NSFW and SFW gameplay. I support the rights for players to experience the game as they wish. My concern is that around family audiences there is less privacy around family members, or children I would not want them to be watching such scenes with me. By allowing this option it liberates all players and their perception. Asexual people in the community would also appreciate it. Thanks!

The sure way solution as of now would be to buy the Japanese or Chinese versions of the game as both likely being toned down from its nudity imagery.

There was also a Kotaku article that somewhat confirmed toggle on/off nudity feature, but how much this really extends was not yet clear. Here's the article:
 
A lot of youtubers talked about this and they understood like me : this is not V getting raped. Why would V suddendly gain a gender while the rest of the text is very careful not giving them any ?

Now I'm not saying it will not happen, I don't know this, but in the rating they are not talking about our main character.

And a reason it should not happen ? Triggering trauma from real victims.

Yes in RDR2 it happen but it's not really shown, rather insinuated.

Once again it may happen in game, but I doubt it would be graphic, and you have no proof of it happening.

And I used the word "happen" way too much 😆 :LOL:
You do understand that rape is not gender specific right?
Both men and women are raped, so having a traumatic event prior the story beginning does nothing to define a gender, only a shitty situation.
 
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