But you forget to say you have a lot of cheap cards that generate coins and needed to be spend, while in MO you dont have a lot of cheap bronzes relicts. Thats totaly different.This selfeater vs BGF is the classic case of double counting. When BGF uses the coins generated by other cards, it is the other card which generates the value and not BGF. If you consider that BGF is using those coins, which just means that the other cards played for far lesser value. BGF is on board and the player plays smuggle and use the three coins to do three damage. Total number of points in those two turns is 12 from 2 cards. On the other hand Self-Eater gets split into two and then GanCean is played, GanCean plays for 9 and SelfEater gains more points. Next turn, another GanCean or a crone gets played, the other card plays for its full value all the while SelfEater gets more and more points.
In case of BGF, the coins generated by the other card is simply used by BGF. If you count those coins for BGF, you shouldn't count those coins for the cards. It is that simple. All this argument would make sense if we are discussing about the Ranged row lock Halfling, whenever coins get generated, she boosts herself.
In logical sense I cant compare SelfEater and BGF. One is an engine which can go completely out of hands and the other is a static card which is just as good as any other spenders.
Sometimes you need to play good golds to make selfeater has good value, while with BGF you can only spend your cheap card crimes and use the coins generated with BGF.
Also, in other hand we have blightmaker, wich is an instant 11 points for 6 provision.
You know how much you need to get 12 points value with SE now?
turn 1 play SE - 5 points
turn 2 - 2 and 2 - play the relict - 3 and 3
turn 3 - 3 and 1 and 1 - play the relict - 4 and 2 and 2
turn 4 - 4 and 2 and 1 and 1 - play the relict - 5 and 3 and 2 and 2
So, after 4 turns your selfeater if its not been killed with a single 2 damage in turn 3 (or 4 damage in turn 2 or even 5 damage in turn 1) has one more potential than blightmaker.
Now thinks how much relicts do you have to do that?
2 Gan Caen
2 pigs
1 another SE
3 moiras
1 rat catcher
1 mamunna
1 blood mistres
1 SWH or caretaker or not (since a lot of players dont use this 2 last cards)
So you have more 11/12 cards to get SE value. But, of course, in round 1 you wont use mamunna and BM. Also, problably in this new patch you dont have SWK.
From moiras you probably whant to save the damage for others round, so you will only use 2 of them.
The bronze cores you probably wont use both SE in the same round, and, also, you probalby wont use the other 2 doubles to not bricks mamunna.
So you will have, in fact.
2 - piigs
1 - gaen cann
2 - moiras
1 - rat catchess
Only 6 cards (playable and not commit the game) to buff SE it in round 1.
If you have luck, you get those 6 cards, your SE dont get killed, and play this 6 cards and your SE will have a huge value. If you have a little less luck you will get 4 of them and your SE will get a good value, more than blightmaker after 5 turns. One more time, if it wont get killed/blocked.
And, of course, i need to remember you used 3 gold cards in process
If you are unlucky you will get 3 or less and your SE will have less value than blightmaker in 4 turns, while, i repeat, blightmaker its instant play.
Also, problably you used 1 gold card in process
So the nerf in mamunna and BM i think it was necessary. The nerf in SE was too much.
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Continuing. You know something funny? SE beeing at 6 points base power already needs 4 turns to have more value than blightmaker
turn 1 play SE - 6 points
turn 2 - 3 and 3 - play the relict - 4 and 4
turn 3 - 4 and 2 and 2 - play the relict - 5 and 3 and 3
turn 4 - 5 and 3 and 1 and 1 - play the relict - 6 and 4 and 2 and 2
In this case in the turn 4 it will have 14 points, wich is really good indeed. But i already show in the last post you need to play relicts and thats not that easy.
Lets get another cenário. - andregas's larva.
Turn 1 - play larva 2 and 2
turn 2 - plays anything - 3 and 3
turn 3 - plays anything - 4 and 4
turn 4 plays anything taller than 4 - 5 and 5
So only in turn 4 the new SE gets 2 points more than andrega.
Also, of course, if you continue playing relicts the SE will have much value than larva. In other hand, larva you dont need to play relicts, only tall units, wich here includes kikimore worker, wich is a tall unit with 4 provision, and also elder bear.
So, as i said in another post, only having more cheap relicts the nerf in SE will be ok, untill there she need to continue at 6 power
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i think blightmakers only will be ok if the token creates has only 1 base power. In that case i also can agree it can drops 1 provision
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