1.07 PC patch delay due to console certification process

[DragoNDai]

Man 1st read the 1st post op clearly said "If that is indeed the reason for pc patch being delayed and not something else but i highly doubt that". Its just his guess. This thread is not by CDPR saying we are holding up pc patch due to console certification process. Its just a random thread by random user.

Oh, okay, I get what you're saying. The reason this time is different is because it's the simplest and best solution. Occam's Razor and all that.

They have stated the patches will be basically identical. Coding between PC and console version is near identical now-a-days. There is no reason to believe and they have given no indication that the PC version of the patch suffered from extra delays. Also, if the PC patch wasn't done, they couldn't guarantee it would be released on the same day as consoles because once submitted to MS/Sony, the patch is pushed live as soon as it passed verification. The devs can't delay it. So if the PC patch wasn't ready before the console patch was pushed to the devs, there is a chance it still wouldn't be ready when the console patch was pushed live, and then CDPR would look bad for lying. Basically, if this was the case, there would be a LOT of good reason to NOT say the patches would be released at the same time.

The only way to 100% guarantee the patches are released at the same time is to arbitrarily hold the PC patch until the console patches pass verification. There is no other way to accomplish this with 100% certainty. And, therefore, since CDPR seems to have 100% certainty that they will release the patches at the same time, this is the only answer that makes sense. Hope that clears that up for you.

 

[Shadrac_ita]

Man I know how it works & I am not asking you about that. you said "CDPR valuing their console players over the PC players." & that's why I am asking you why you think like that as they released previous patches for pc first.

As if they really valuing their console players over the PC players then why not CDPR released previous patches at same time for all platforms ? or Console patches 1st ?

Another question for you how you are so sure that pc patch is ready ? I mean what if they created console patches 1st as they cancel 1.06 patch for console & when console patch certification process is in progress they started working on pc patch so may be they currently finishing pc patch.

Crying, childish, customers? More money from console than PC gamers (copies sold)? Cost effective development process with only one programming pipeline? I don't know. Moreover every patch on console, if I remember correctly, cost to the dev about 10000$.

What I think is that CDPR is under huge pressure, we, as PC gamers (the paying ones alt least), haven't the power to outclass the M$ or $ony weight.

It's a shame, almost every game goes to that direction, and from my point of view, CDPR has tried to do is best.

They must hear not only our disappointment, but also our understanding.

 

[Elevon]

Man 1st read the 1st post op clearly said "If that is indeed the reason for pc patch being delayed and not something else but i highly doubt that". Its just his guess. This thread is not by CDPR saying we are holding up pc patch due to console certification process. Its just a random thread by random user.

And what did I say?....I said on last bit CDPR could clear it up one way or another,so fact is he may be right or wrong ,CDPR could release a statement,does not take five mins to post something.

The only way console patch would be ready before PC is if they started before it and had certification already.
A lot of unknowns until we get a public statement by CDPR.

 

[DragoNDai]

Alrighty guys. In an attempt to keep my account from getting further in trouble with the mods, which is honestly something I'm not interested in, I am going to withdraw myself from this conversation and convert to only using these forums for posting bug reports.

I think I've made myself pretty clear here.

CDPR has abandoned those customers, on both console and PC, who still have game breaking quest bugs for almost a month. It likely will be over a month by the time they actually get around to patching those bugs. No other AAA development studio has done this on any title in the last 10 years. It's completely unacceptable.

Further, it SEEMS CDPR is putting the feelings of some of their consumer base over the actual well-being of a different part of their consumer base. This is not the fault of any part of the consumer base, as none of us asked CDPR to do this. This is entirely CDPRs fault for valuing some of their customers more highly than other customers. That's also completely unacceptable.

If you're reading this and thinking about responding to this post or any other post admonishing CDPR for either of these practices, please think about how you can accept either of the above stated problems and be okay with CDPR treating their paying customers that way. I think that you'll find that if you really think about it, you can't condone this sort of behavior, and if these problems affected you, you'd be equally mad.

Finally, to those of you who participated in this discussion with well reasoned posts and well thought out ideas, even if we didn't agree, I appreciate your posts.

 

[GW3NTLORD]

OK I accept my defeat. Start your war again :rofl:

 

[Gyrofalcon]

It's funny to read about people that have a clear idea and understanding of how a Game Development company as CD projekt and RED is working. How confidential business decisions are made and what PR profile a company are running...

We can disagree in what we as customers sees as outcome of a company policy, but its a bit difficult to predict the behind the scenes work.
They have promised a patch, (not at date for it, so no promises are broken) and have attached some guidelines to this release. Bummer, but its not the end of the world for me, and definitely nothing for me to worrying about.

 

[Seally]

We do NOT know (and unless you work for the company, can't know) if CDPR is holding back the PC patch just to sync with the console releases (emphasis again, on "just to"). I know many people linked Marcin's Twitter post and the fact that console releases require certification to conclude that CDPR is indeed holding back the release for console, and frankly I do think there is some truth in this, however the degree of negative reaction of the OP I personally find to be unjustified. If you've been prowling the patch discussions on some other sites, especially the ones announcing news regarding patch updates, you can find quite a number of less patient console gamers complaining about CDPR over-prioritising PC for patch releases. Now, when CDPR decides to release them all at the same time to solve this in a (probable) attempt to please every customer from every platform, naturally came the opposite reaction.

A little disclaimer before I continue: I'm not a console gamer, and since this patch is the one that introduces stashes, this is currently a blocker for me from continuing the game (if it wasn't, I'd just suck it up and sell everything, and I'm not about to drop them in some random building). Anyway...

Basically, from all possible ways to release this patch (the unmentioned possibility, that the PC patch be released after consoles is likely the least rational one given the time frame so I won't consider it), there is no way CDPR can please everyone. Like in the Witcher games, where Geralt sometimes faces no completely good choices, I think the project manager is facing the same problem.

Now to elaborate on the "just to" part in the first paragraph. How do you know that the PC version's patch doesn't change while they wait for the console patches to be approved? In fact, like most software release cycles, I fully expect the The WItcher 3 codebase to be currently in a state called a "feature-freeze". Having this stage might stop new features from being introduced, but its very existence allows many bugs to be ironed out without also introducing large numbers of new bugs, usually resulting in a more stable product. Usually. This is hinted by the fact that one user reported that CDPR is still accepting bug reports (though you could argue these are for 1.08). I don't know how much or even if the releases compiled for certification can be changed after submission, but I do not believe delaying the 1.07 patch results in a net zero benefit for us PC users, as there's a good chance that each platform release aren't based on the exact same codebase revision.

In the end, you can go blame consoles all you want. You can also say that CDPR is doing it "just for profit" and "for silly PR" reasons. I can't and won't stop you. As Geralt might say, " wrote this entire post for you. But I never intended to force anything on you." I just hope you'll keep these (probable) reasons in mind.

Note: I started writing this before the OP issued the apology post, but I didn't want all the effort to go down the drain so I posted anyway, but yeah, it's a little unneeded at this point.

 

[squallypo]

so is this for real? thats why we havent got the patch yet???? -____________-

 

[Dude27]

all bad trends that come into gaming indusrty originate from consoles.
This is quite a widespread point of view.

 

[ummagoomba]

And console patch need week or soo for certification... PC dont need that... Easy...

CDPR said from the start that all systems were receiving the patch. If they are all to receive it at the same time, I do not see this as the PC version being delayed because it is within the timescale originally set by CDPR. If people are getting upset because the PC patch isn't coming out before console, they need to go away and have a word with themselves.

There is no issue here, and there are no delays.

 

[blackbishop86]

@Lenkorn
That's precisely what I was thinking. How it is delayed if they announced the release of the patch on PC to match the consoles ones?

Delaying the patch would mean they couldn't keep their promise of releasing it the same day than PC... but no date has been given yet as far as I know. People are getting their knickers in a twist, saying CDPR became the worst thing on earth just because they didn't get the patch several days before their console counterparts and that is laughable and sad. For what we know, they could be still working fixing bugs while waiting for the release.

Let them work on their stuff and if the patch at the ends is bad or they miss the release date then you can complain.

 

[SigilFey]

If this were true, the consoles wouldn't need patches. They do. Therefore you're entire argument is completely invalid. Try again. Or, better yet, please don't. I'm tired of reading comments from people who aren't even trying to be original or interesting and have literally nothing to add to the conversation.

As a general reply to everyone, I'm still waiting on ANYONE to show me ONE SINGLE GAME released in the last 10 years from a AAA studio that has had as bad of customer service as Witcher 3. Just a SINGLE TITLE. That's all I'm looking for and I'll shut up for good. Why can't any of you smack talkers do this? Maybe it's cause you know it's impossible? Yeah, that's why.

I could list: 3000AD for everything ever released since the 90's; EA Games for DA Origins, Mass Effect 1, and Mass Effect 2; UbiSoft, for the Settlers 7; masses of indie developers who abused Kickstarter for "smash and grab" schemes; Bethesda after the release of the1.9 patch for Skyrim... By comparison, CDPR has released continual patches, free DLC, and have been very active on the forums as well as with customers who contacted them directly. I guess you mean, they should be perfect, respond instantaneously to all complaints, and never encounter anything that has them stumped.

You've nailed it right on the head. It's not going to happen. My argument was not invalid. It was a sardonic point, and you understood it perfectly. Consoles were created for exactly the purpose I stated, and yet they suffer from the same problems as PC titles. That should tell you something about the nature of coding software. Game development is an imperfect process, just like every other human endeavor. As long as there are human beings behind it, there will be errors, delays, and failures along the way. You seem to be looking for someone that will vindicate your stance on the way things "should" be. That won't happen, unfortunately, because this is the way things are. You have the same options that you had before you ever knew The Witcher 3 existed: deal with what you have or walk away.

Dealing with what you have means taking what is and trying to make the best of it -- not expending energy on trying to make things "ideal" or "fair". Most certainly, don't expect that working towards a goal ensures success, either; just be happy with what's there or work calmly towards more. Deciding something just isn't worth the effort means walking away completely and forgetting the issue ever existed. Move on to things you find more important.

Badgering an audience and assaulting other's opinions out of frustration is called displacement, which results only in a much more limited audience and an even smaller likelihood that any goals will be achieved.

 

[ZeroAffex]

Not going to choose a side since I own copies on PC and PS4 but will simply say this, I love and respect CD PROJEKT RED and all the awesome individuals who have brought me joy for a long time now (Mods too!). If they want to release anything, at any time, on any platform, they have my support and understanding! Come on, lets just love on CDPR here and stop the PC this, Console that stuff. We all love Witcher 3 or we wouldn't be here, so lets fall back on this. We all have been playing the game and 1.07 being delayed isn't going to stop us, just adds to the excitement for me honestly. Anyways. Thats my opinion here and if it offended you, I apologize as I really did try to be respectful to this sensitive issue as I understand there is a lot of emotion concerning it! Thank you for reading! Hope you have a very lovely day! Farewell!

-Sincerely,
Zero (^..^ )_// *waves*

 

[SigilFey]

Thanks for the needed dose of positivity!

 

[muh3yxap4e]

Just FIX the MUTagens .. stop with this discussions !

 

[blackbishop86]

I could list: 3000AD for everything ever released since the 90's; EA Games for DA Origins, Mass Effect 1, and Mass Effect 2; UbiSoft, for the Settlers 7; masses of indie developers who abused Kickstarter for "smash and grab" schemes; Bethesda after the release of the1.9 patch for Skyrim... By comparison, CDPR has released continual patches, free DLC, and have been very active on the forums as well as with customers who contacted them directly. I guess you mean, they should be perfect, respond instantaneously to all complaints, and never encounter anything that has them stumped.

You've nailed it right on the head. It's not going to happen. My argument was not invalid. It was a sardonic point, and you understood it perfectly. Consoles were created for exactly the purpose I stated, and yet they suffer from the same problems as PC titles. That should tell you something about the nature of coding software. Game development is an imperfect process, just like every other human endeavor. As long as there are human beings behind it, there will be errors, delays, and failures along the way. You seem to be looking for someone that will vindicate your stance on the way things "should" be. That won't happen, unfortunately, because this is the way things are. You have the same options that you had before you ever knew The Witcher 3 existed: deal with what you have or walk away.

Dealing with what you have means taking what is and trying to make the best of it -- not expending energy on trying to make things "ideal" or "fair". Most certainly, don't expect that working towards a goal ensures success, either; just be happy with what's there or work calmly towards more. Deciding something just isn't worth the effort means walking away completely and forgetting the issue ever existed. Move on to things you find more important.

Badgering an audience and assaulting other's opinions out of frustration is called displacement, which results only in a much more limited audience and an even smaller likelihood that any goals will be achieved.

You forgot to mention some Creative Assembly games(Rome 2, the new Atila, Empire). :hmm:

Just FIX the MUTagens .. stop with this discussions !

And the gear upgrades too, it is annoying to have like 4 different types of the same named glyphs even when some clearly have the same effect. And not being able to use them as ingredients for advanced ones is worse.

 

[cavsoldier]

First of it is 4 weeks so i dont understand why you say that to him?

This is nothing to do with the patch I could care less about! more about the poor education of people.

When the lessons pertaining to time, days, weeks and months start in your school you will see how stupid you appear here.

Firstly in my hemisphere when it is the 16th in the other hemisphere it is the 15th a thing called the international date line exists.

PROOF 1: Using a calendar count the days between the 15th June to the 9th July (the date the comment was made ) you will come up with the number 24 divide that by 7 being the days in a week = 3.4 weeks not 4!

PROOF 2: 15th to 22nd June = 1 week 15th to 29th June = 2 weeks 15th June to 6th July = 3 weeks and to the 9th add 3 days.

All in All it is not 4 weeks since 1.06 was released, like most of the OP posts full of inaccuracies.

David

 

[SigilFey]

You forgot to mention some Creative Assembly games(Rome 2, the new Atila, Empire). :hmm:

Ha! I think Rome 2 was (is) just so inherently broken in so many places that fixing would require someone to re-code it from the ground up. We have received all the help there possibly is.

Just FIX the MUTagens .. stop with this discussions !

And the gear upgrades too, it is annoying to have like 4 different types of the same named glyphs even when some clearly have the same effect. And not being able to use them as ingredients for advanced ones is worse.

What's wrong with the mutagens? I haven't encountered any bugs with those yet. I'm not even remotely bothered by the glyphs, either. I found so many of the ones I wanted to upgrade that the "false-identical" ones just got sold off and I bought the ones I needed. I sort of appreciated a use for all the money I had by that point.

 

[SgtThundercok]

This is nothing to do with the patch I could care less about! more about the poor education of people.
When the lessons pertaining to time, days, weeks and months start in your school you will see how stupid you appear here.
Firstly in my hemisphere when it is the 16th in the other hemisphere it is the 15th a thing called the international date line exists.
PROOF 1: Using a calendar count the days between the 15th June to the 9th July (the date the comment was made ) you will come up with the number 24 divide that by 7 being the days in a week = 3.4 weeks not 4!
PROOF 2: 15th to 22nd June = 1 week 15th to 29th June = 2 weeks 15th June to 6th July = 3 weeks and to the 9th add 3 days.
All in All it is not 4 weeks since 1.06 was released, like most of the OP posts full of inaccuracies.
David

I really got a kick out of this. Thank-you!

 

[blackbishop86]

Ha! I think Rome 2 was (is) just so inherently broken in so many places that fixing would require someone to re-code it from the ground up. We have received all the help there possibly is.



What's wrong with the mutagens? I haven't encountered any bugs with those yet. I'm not even remotely bothered by the glyphs, either. I found so many of the ones I wanted to upgrade that the "false-identical" ones just got sold off and I bought the ones I needed. I sort of appreciated a use for all the money I had by that point.

Not sure what's wrong with mutagens, in PC at least they were fixed in 1.06, perhaps in console they have problems with them. In the case of the glyphs and the other upgrades, somehow I always have the bad luck of only having 1 glyph of the recognized type and 4 to 6 of the odd type which I end selling at barely nothing XD. Since they are expensive to buy I won't risk to get one to realize it is the phony version .