720p option on PS4? Please CDProjekt! My reasons.

[Nacho_el_Man]

720p option on PS4? Please CDProjekt! My reasons.

Dear CDProjekt:

Only one wish I have, for you to give us the "option" to play the game at 720p on PS4. Why you'd ask? Various reasons.

For what I have seen form preview PS4 footage on Youtube and heard by reviewers, the game runs a bit choppy and laggy, therefore an "option to choose 720p" would free some banwidth and the game would run smoother, but well, besides this the reasons are:

- The game would run much more smooth and less laggy.
- The game could even run at a higher framerate! (I am sure many people would love this!).
- It would unstress the engine and the PS4, therefore making our console last MORE.
- No need for stressing our PS4's to get YLOD when we only have a 32inch TV!

There I've said it. This applies to most game on PS4 actually, as Sony DOES NOT give you the "option" to run your games at a lower resolution than 1080p. I've spoken to Sony PR's on Twitter and they told me "every game" is meant to run at 1080p (or the maximum possible resolution) ALL THE TIME, no matter what resolution you choose on your settings, internally the game will always run at 1080p.

To me, this is a bullshit move by Sony, because some of us really want our consoles to last (YLOD's and RROD were a real issue). And a lower resolution (even without more frames or better graphics) woud really help us keep our consoles cooler, therefore lasting longer.

 

[Vatt_ghern]

What do you want CDPR to do if Sony demands that all games run at 1080p ALL THE TIME?

Play on PC instead

 

[luizedu]

If framerate is uncapped, GPU utilization will remain as high as possible regardless of resolution. In that case, it wouldn't increase the hardware's durability.

 

[Darth-Death]

In times such as these, a gaming pc is a great alternative. It's unfortunate consoles are having some difficulties maintaining stable fps.

What you suggested, It seems rather improbable.

 

[zanderb19]

If you want to change the graphic settings you need to get PC

 

[Nacho_el_Man]

If framerate is uncapped, GPU utilization will remain as high as possible regardless of resolution. In that case, it wouldn't increase the hardware's durability.

Well, if you keep it capped at 30 fps it would sure increase durability, as you say. The other day I was playing the Last Of Us remastered and chose 30fps capped and my PS4 went pretty silent, actually it was very cool, in terms of tempereature I mean.

Also, are there any games "at all" that run uncapped? Even on PC there is Vsync which limits framerate, so you statement is a bit on the "I choose to argue with you for this particular ridiculous reason just because" type.

 

[Lyvean]

Play on PC. Upgrade if you can. PS4 is out of the question with the horrible pop in. Mind you, PC will also have pop in no matter how powerfull the hardware, but at least you won't be seeing rocks appear under your feet as you walk. Hopefully.

 

[Lieste]

Well, if you keep it capped at 30 fps it would sure increase durability, as you say. The other day I was playing the Last Of Us remastered and chose 30fps capped and my PS4 went pretty silent, actually it was very cool, in terms of tempereature I mean.

Also, are there any games "at all" that run uncapped? Even on PC there is Vsync which limits framerate, so you statement is a bit on the "I choose to argue with you for this particular ridiculous reason just because" type.

Yes, with GSync on I have no screen tearing at whatever frame rate the card can push from 144Hz down. On any modern title (I do need to force a refresh rate (usually 60 fps) for older titles that don't play nicely with G-sync, but that can be done per-title - so far I've tweaked Swat-3, which needs 1920x1080x60).

 

[Nacho_el_Man]

In times such as these, a gaming pc is a great alternative. It's unfortunate consoles are having some difficulties maintaining stable fps.

What you suggested, It seems rather improbable.

Yep, I've seen that on Youtube a few hours ago. And yes, I agree 100%, PC are a great choice. Sadly in my country at least, a pS4 is about 600 dollars, so you pretty much are attached to one platform per generation. Sure I could sell my PS4 and build a PC etc, etc. But then I just don't want to keep doing that, I am tired of doing that, just want to stick to the PS4 and hopefully have as many options in it as a PC would give me. Now if Sony doesn't change its practices by let's say 2016, I would sure say goodbye to Sony once again...

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Yes, with GSync on I have no screen tearing at whatever frame rate the card can push from 144Hz down. On any modern title (I do need to force a refresh rate (usually 60 fps) for older titles that don't play nicely with G-sync, but that can be done per-title - so far I've tweaked Swat-3, which needs 1920x1080x60).

Cool! I've never tried Gsync, been out of PC gaming since I got the PS4, but it sure sounds nice By the way I love your Avatar/Pic ahahaha

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Play on PC. Upgrade if you can. PS4 is out of the question with the horrible pop in. Mind you, PC will also have pop in no matter how powerfull the hardware, but at least you won't be seeing rocks appear under your feet as you walk. Hopefully.

True! And have you seen MGSV on PS4? That Pop in is just hilarious! Too much man. And sure I understand, but I have had PC's before and I am just tired of changing platforms back and forward between PC and consoles. Sadly I don't have the "cash" to have them all! At least not with games And I don't like to pirate really...

 

[Lieste]

If you have a PS4 and not enough PC, then PS4 is the way to go... if you PC is above minimums then PC might be better, or substantially better.


PS4 doesn't look shabby though. I've played many games that didn't look as nice on PC** (and on other systems dating back to the ZX48K) and so long as you see it for what it is, and enjoy it for what it does, rather than for what it isn't and what it doesn't do you'll have a blast.

(If I didn't have a decent enough PC to form the core of an update I'd be playing on PS4 myself. I do like my PC because I work on it and do fun stuff with maps and maths... game consoles are a bit more limited as tools.)

 

[GuyNwah]

The responders are right about the PS4's behavior, though: It runs games in one native resolution and downscales to the output resolution. Sony strives to have all games run at 1080p. The result is you get automatic 9:4 FSAA at 720p output.

Whether the PS4's or your monitor's downscaling feature (if you have a 720p monitor that accepts a 1080p signal) works better depends on your equipment.

 

[Firecracker22]

Wouldn't the PS4 downscale if you don't have a 1080p HDTV? Not everyone owns a TV capable of 1080p...so wouldn't the game automatically scale down to 720p or 1080i based on your TV? Or does the PS4 only work on TV's capable of 1080p?

It's hard to hold their feet to the fire for any performance issues for a game that hasn't been released yet.

 

[Nacho_el_Man]

The responders are right about the PS4's behavior, though: It runs games in one native resolution and downscales to the output resolution. Sony strives to have all games run at 1080p. The result is you get automatic 9:4 FSAA at 720p output.

Whether the PS4's or your monitor's downscaling feature (if you have a 720p monitor that accepts a 1080p signal) works better depends on your equipment.

It is true what you say though!! Even though my TV is only 768p, it accepts 1080p just fine and PS4 games look amazing in terms of antialising. Is like PS4 gives you a form of Super Sampling AA I guess that would be a Plus. Still I rather my console not stressing so much if in the end I won't even notice much.

I do have a 1080p Plasma though, but I cannot see a difference, also those Plasma's are just not good for your eyes!
Cheers!

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Wouldn't the PS4 downscale if you don't have a 1080p HDTV? Not everyone owns a TV capable of 1080p...so wouldn't the game automatically scale down to 720p or 1080i based on your TV? Or does the PS4 only work on TV's capable of 1080p?

It's hard to hold their feet to the fire for any performance issues for a game that hasn't been released yet.

The PS4 works on almost any TV mate, it can downscale the image you see for you, to the resolution you choose on the settings. Thing is, internally the PS4 is always running at 1080p! I have asked and been answered by Sony themselves on this matter, wish I could give you the Tweets, can't bother now Lazy me.

 

[Firecracker22]

It is true what you say though!! Even though my TV is only 768p, it accepts 1080p just fine and PS4 games look amazing in terms of antialising. Is like PS4 gives you a form of Super Sampling AA I guess that would be a Plus. Still I rather my console not stressing so much if in the end I won't even notice much.

I do have a 1080p Plasma though, but I cannot see a difference, also those Plasma's are just not good for your eyes!
Cheers!

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The PS4 works on almost any TV mate, it can downscale the image you see for you, to the resolution you choose on the settings. Thing is, internally the PS4 is always running at 1080p! I have asked and been answered by Sony themselves on this matter, wish I could give you the Tweets, can't bother now Lazy me.

Ah, okay. I thought so. I haven't played my PS4 on anything lower than a 1080p TV, so it sounded kinda nuts to me that the PS4 wouldn't downscale the resolution.

I would say this, I believe that if the system running at 1080p were a problem...then they'd probably go to 720p. I don't see how any developer on a console would choose graphics over stability since there is nothing a user/player can really do to solve it. On PC, it seems like it's a different case on whatever rig someone has.

The Xbox One will have dynamic scaling, and there's nothing forcing CDPR to make that happen. Pretty much everyone wants their games running at 1080p. So, ultimately that's what seems to matter and developers try and meet that goal.

 

[luizedu]

Even on PC there is Vsync which limits framerate, so you statement is a bit on the "I choose to argue with you for this particular ridiculous reason just because" type.

Not at all, I just wrote to note that you can't have both higher fps and lower usage/higher durability, it's either or. And I quite agree with your demand, not everyone has 1080p screens, so allowing 720p rendering with higher fps would be a great benefit for those people.

 

[ONLY_ONCE]

O'hell Noo... lol..720p opo:

 

[GuyNwah]

Ah, okay. I thought so. I haven't played my PS4 on anything lower than a 1080p TV, so it sounded kinda nuts to me that the PS4 wouldn't downscale the resolution.

I would say this, I believe that if the system running at 1080p were a problem...then they'd probably go to 720p. I don't see how any developer on a console would choose graphics over stability since there is nothing a user/player can really do to solve it. On PC, it seems like it's a different case on whatever rig someone has.

The Xbox One will have dynamic scaling, and there's nothing forcing CDPR to make that happen. Pretty much everyone wants their games running at 1080p. So, ultimately that's what seems to matter and developers try and meet that goal.

A few games on the PS4 are 900p. I won't cite the chart IGN published, because it's bogus, but AC: Unity and the Battlefield titles are the big ones.

 

[Nacho_el_Man]

Not at all, I just wrote to note that you can't have both higher fps and lower usage/higher durability, it's either or. And I quite agree with your demand, not everyone has 1080p screens, so allowing 720p rendering with higher fps would be a great benefit for those people.

All right, thanks for your understanding then. And I am glad some people truly understand the benefits of this petition And I speak weird because I speak spanish, so bare with me. My english is good, but my forming of sentences still carries a bit of my own spanish "slang" in them.

Cheers.

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O'hell Noo... lol..720p opo:

I truly don't get it... Why lol? I don't see a difference!! At least not a difference enough to make a difference? Or for me to give a crap really. I do have a "real" 1080p TV and I have really and I mean "really" forced myself to see a difference between 1080p and 720p, and I just can't!!

I mean sure, it looks less aliased on 1080p, but that's it, nothing that a good AA solution can't fix at 720p. But more than all this, is the amount of graphical processing 1080p needs! For a GPU to play games at 1080p the amount of resources it needs is staggering, resources that could be used for other things!!
THAT'S WHAT I AM saying also.

I give you this example, in 2011 I bought myself a 6950, in my country Chile the card alone cost me 400 dollars, yep, it was quite high end at the time. BUT I could play the Witcher 2 at 60fps! But guess what, if I ever wanted 1080p, which I really didn't because it wasn't even a "topic" back then, the framerate would go to the 20's or 30's! Still I used to play on a screen that was 1440x900, but I still managed 60fps.

The GPU on the PS4 is actually even faster then my old 6950, that back then used to reach 90 degrees ahaha, so yeah I am pretty pissed of that only because of those damn pixels I cannot even see, the framerate is capped and the smoothness gone and the PS4 is HOT (pretty basic english there )

To end I would give you this analogy, remember the Killzone 2005 trailer, you know that CGI trailer? It looked amazing right? It was 720p. Rest my case.

 

[ONLY_ONCE]

All right, thanks for your understanding then. And I am glad some people truly understand the benefits of this petition And I speak weird because I speak spanish, so bare with me. My english is good, but my forming of sentences still carries a bit of my own spanish "slang" in them.

Cheers.

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I truly don't get it... Why lol? I don't see a difference!! At least not a difference enough to make a difference? Or for me to give a crap really. I do have a "real" 1080p TV and I have really and I mean "really" forced myself to see a difference between 1080p and 720p, and I just can't!!

I mean sure, it looks less aliased on 1080p, but that's it, nothing that a good AA solution can't fix at 720p. But more than all this, is the amount of graphical processing 1080p needs! For a GPU to play games at 1080p the amount of resources it needs is staggering, resources that could be used for other things!!
THAT'S WHAT I AM saying also.

I give you this example, in 2011 I bought myself a 6950, in my country Chile the card alone cost me 400 dollars, yep, it was quite high end at the time. BUT I could play the Witcher 2 at 60fps! But guess what, if I ever wanted 1080p, which I really didn't because it wasn't even a "topic" back then, the framerate would go to the 20's or 30's! Still I used to play on a screen that was 1440x900, but I still managed 60fps.

The GPU on the PS4 is actually even faster then my old 6950, that back then used to reach 90 degrees ahaha, so yeah I am pretty pissed of that only because of those damn pixels I cannot even see, the framerate is capped and the smoothness gone and the PS4 is HOT (pretty basic english there )

To end I would give you this analogy, remember the Killzone 2005 trailer, you know that CGI trailer? It looked amazing right? It was 720p. Rest my case.

HaHa..
Sorry bro... I just can't go back to 720p games.. they look like shit. First world problems, I know

 

[Nacho_el_Man]

HaHa..
Sorry bro... I just can't go back to 720p games.. they look like shit. First world problems, I know

But you do undertand what I mean right? When something is awesome or realistic in the case of the Witcher, or even movies, the P's shouldn't be an issue. To me is these damn TV makers that just want to brainwash us, besides I think pushing to 1080p on a "console" is still asking a bit too much. On Youtube there is a video of two guys reviewing what they have played on the Witcher 3 on PS4, and they say it lags quit a bit. If this is the case I would've rather at least 900p, but who knows, maybe it is not a problem with the P's, it probably has to do with the PS4 handling of RAM and that damn texture Pop in screwing with the framerate.

Cheers.