Oh I get it.. but if you really do have a 1080p tv and an old 720p tv, the quality is night and day.
I just don't see them doing this anytime soon, if ever. It don't work like that man, sorry
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I just don't see them doing this anytime soon, if ever. It don't work like that man, sorry
I think you are in a deep confusion that many people are in really (I mean no disrespect, I might be wrong). To summarize what I mean: 720p looks "bad" on 1080p TV's! And the bigger the worse! 720p on a 720p TV, which in my case is not old, looks just as awesome as a 1080p game on a 1080p TV. Is all about the pixels matching the pixels on screen! Therefore the bad "rep" that 720p has, is mostly because of this pixel mismatch, NOT necessarily for any other reason.Oh I get it.. but if you really do have a 1080p tv and an old 720p tv, the quality is night and day.
I just don't see them doing this anytime soon, if ever. It don't work like that man, sorry
Is like playing a PS2 game on a 720p TV, it looks like ass, but on a good old Sony Trinitron 29inch TV, it looks awesome, again, pixel match.
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Is PS4 system known to brake. I dont even play everyday If my console doesnt last 5years im goin PC.
I have this 7 years old Sony Bravia TV that is 720p and 32 inches, and It still runs like new and looks awesome.
I wanted to get a 40-50 inch 1080p TV, but I could not find any that looked better than this TV. I stick with smaller TVs, because my room is small.
Anyways the brightness of the screen and the picture that this TV produces is better than most 1080p TVs out there, so I'm still using it with my PS4 after selling my PS3.
So I get the merit in having 720p with better performance on the PS4, but I don't think it's happening.
But as a PC gamer I suggest you get a PC to have not only the option to change the resolution and get better performance, but also change many other things that you desire. For example I hate motion blur and depth of field, so I turn them off. I like anti-aliasing, so I increase it taking advantage of the performance boost from disabling motion blur and DOF.
Oh man, is hard to know people that truly share the same feeling about this all subject. I have an LG 32 inch from 2009 and it looks really amazing at 720p. Even my Panasonic Plasma at 1080p doesn't look much better. I guess most people haven't had the opportunity to figure this out, as 1080p TV's where hastely manufactured overlapping 720/768p TV's, and just for trying to sell the FULL HD bullshit.
Summarizing, people don't even know how good a 720p image looks on a 720p TV, and it is like this for any resolution when it matches the game's resolution.
And as for your suggestion, yes I could buy this awesome PC if I wanted, but then I would be putting too many eggs on 1 basket mate
. I already have my PS3 and PS4 and when you have too many options, you don't enjoy any of them, well that's what I believe.Cheers man.
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720p output to a 1080p LCD may indeed look bad. But if it does look bad, it is the fault of the TV, not the mismatch. LCD TVs have to be able to upscale regular program material, which is often in 480p or 720p. Better modern TVs can upscale just fine.
Not necessarily mate, BUT PS3's did get the YLOD, all of them, the reason? The reason is because all these consoles are made using a technique called Ball Grid Array (BGA), in which the CPU/GPU is assembled to the motherboard using metal balls soldered to the motherboard!!
On the other hand, PC's are assembled using Grid Pin Array in which the CPU is assembled to the motherboard using gold plattered Pins, in which you simply match them by force using your hands, like a switch or plug.
The problem with the BGA system is that PS3 and 360, because of an Eurapean regulation couldn't use "Lead" to solder their chips, making the soldering even worse then it already was, that's why YLOD and RROD was so frequent.
Sadly the PS4 STILL uses the BGA technique and so the Xbox One.
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Well, that is what I thoght! mostly because of all those people whining about 720p
Because you seem to be right, my 1080p plasma does look good at 720p, actually even a PS2 using component cables, looks pretty good in that TV! It has a good upscaler probably, as you mentioned that modern TV's should have. Cheers man.
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BGAs are nothing to do with RoHS compliance. BGA is simply the best way to mount an unsocketed high-density integrated circuit. It has the best density, thermal, and electrical properties of competing technologies. However, it is easy to manufacture badly and to miss manufacturing defects. These defects eventually show up in fractured connections and failures. Servicing devices assembled with BGA chips requires workstations made for the purpose, but these are neither scarce nor especially expensive.
The alternative is chip-in-socket design, but that is more expensive, and manufacturing costs of consoles are cut, not just to the bone, but well into the bone. This results in quality that meets only the minimum required for certification and failures in the field that are handled by support agents trained in warranty denial.
Sadly, in manufacturing consumer goods, you don't have to have good quality or good support. You just have to be not as awful as your competition.
The alternative is chip-in-socket design, but that is more expensive, and manufacturing costs of consoles are cut, not just to the bone, but well into the bone. This results in quality that meets only the minimum required for certification and failures in the field that are handled by support agents trained in warranty denial.
Sadly, in manufacturing consumer goods, you don't have to have good quality or good support. You just have to be not as awful as your competition.
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You seem to be very savvy in all these thing man, thanks for sharing your knowledge
I have heard that the PS4 has been better built to last longer than the PS3, even using lead free solder. Do you think temperatures need to be lower for BGA than for Chip-in-socket design? Or it doesn't matter ayways? meaning: If your console is meant to die early it will?Thanks again, also I speak spanish so my english is a bit strange so bare with me mate, cheers!
Not necessarily mate, BUT PS3's did get the YLOD, all of them, the reason? The reason is because all these consoles are made using a technique called Ball Grid Array (BGA), in which the CPU/GPU is assembled to the motherboard using metal balls soldered to the motherboard!!
On the other hand, PC's are assembled using Grid Pin Array in which the CPU is assembled to the motherboard using gold plattered Pins, in which you simply match them by force using your hands, like a switch or plug.
The problem with the BGA system is that PS3 and 360, because of an Eurapean regulation couldn't use "Lead" to solder their chips, making the soldering even worse then it already was, that's why YLOD and RROD was so frequent.
Sadly the PS4 STILL uses the BGA technique and so the Xbox One.
Well thanks a bunch. A bit hard read, english not my native language. you learn something new everyday. I actually have heard about this led free soldering somewhere now that I think about it. But Yeah not rly my field
Not my native language either mate!Not necessarily mate, BUT PS3's did get the YLOD, all of them, the reason? The reason is because all these consoles are made using a technique called Ball Grid Array (BGA), in which the CPU/GPU is assembled to the motherboard using metal balls soldered to the motherboard!!
On the other hand, PC's are assembled using Grid Pin Array in which the CPU is assembled to the motherboard using gold plattered Pins, in which you simply match them by force using your hands, like a switch or plug.
The problem with the BGA system is that PS3 and 360, because of an Eurapean regulation couldn't use "Lead" to solder their chips, making the soldering even worse then it already was, that's why YLOD and RROD was so frequent.
Sadly the PS4 STILL uses the BGA technique and so the Xbox One.
Well thanks a bunch. A bit hard read, english not my native language. you learn something new everyday. I actually have heard about this led free soldering somewhere now that I think about it. But Yeah not rly my field
The two big problems with BGA are manufacturing defects (it is easy to get inadequate melt on the solder balls near the center of the chip, and it is hard to find these by inspection) and thermal compliance (expansion at excessive operating temperature causes warping, and joints that weren't soldered securely will separate). That's why using BGA for large high-power chips like console CPUs and GPUs leads to YLOD and RROD failures.You seem to be very savvy in all these thing man, thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thanks again, also I speak spanish so my english is a bit strange so bare with me mate, cheers!
But socketing these chips might cost you another dollar per unit. Even if the failure rate under warranty is as high as 1:1000, BGA is a big win for the bean counters.
Nobody should have to apologize for their English on this forum. We are international here, there is no grammar police, and the native English speakers are patient and willing to take your English as it is.
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Nacho, SI sabes que muchos de esos "reviewers" estaban usando una version de The Witcher 3 que no era la ultima version optimizada vdd? Digo, porque no tengo duda que cuando salga TW3, correra muy bien en el ps4, claro que hasta mejor que el xbone. Ese pinchi Xbone solo lo uso pa' cocinar unos huevitos con nopalitos de vez en cuando
My first Xbox 360 died RROD maybe after two years. and so did many of my friends consoles. After that i bought a new xbox the slim edition and its got huge mileage behind it. 4-5years Me and my kids have played it and it works still fine. Do u think this is because better coolin or perhaps improwed soldering?
And the slim edition is known to work longer. at least if u make sure its got "breathing room"
Im just intersted so i dont have to worry about my PS4 dying on me on the 19th
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Better adhesivesMy first Xbox 360 died RROD maybe after two years. and so did many of my friends consoles. After that i bought a new xbox the slim edition and its got huge mileage behind it. 4-5years Me and my kids have played it and it works still fine. Do u think this is because better coolin or perhaps improwed soldering?
And the slim edition is known to work longer. at least if u make sure its got "breathing room"
Im just intersted so i dont have to worry about my PS4 dying on me on the 19th
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Literally. Chips stay stuck to the motherboard better if you glue them down with more glue.The Handyman's Principle in action. If you can't make it come loose with WD-40, it's not meant to come loose. If you can't make it stay together with duck tape or two-part epoxy, it's not meant to stay together.
Cause your right man. You dont see anything! People like you and me are who the game was made for, that will enjoy and appreciate every nook and cranny of this game. These nerds picking the game apart are just that. Picky cry babys. They were bread to complain about anything and everything that isn't catered to THEM and there "standards". I mean seriously, i have heard some of the most ridiculous complaints in my entire 29 yrs of gaming these past couple days for this game..from complaining about the grass not being green enough, the rocks not looking real "enough"... TELL ME, what is enough? and the one that got me was when they said "THE GRASS CLIPS THROUGH THE ROCK! SEE!!! OMG!!!! THEY LIED!!! GRAPHICS DOWNGRADE!!!" STFU!!!!!! shit pisses me off. People are so god damn ungrateful these days they take everything for granted. its disgusting. If the graphics aren't to your standard then DONT PLAY THE GAME!!!!! GO PLAY SKYRIM...oh speaking of Edler Scrolls, if people are complaining about the petty shit in this game wait untill that game comes out! The pickers are going to have a field day!!!! hahhaha next gen game with last gen graphics.I truly don't get it... Why lol? I don't see a difference!! At least not a difference enough to make a difference?
I mean sure, it looks less aliased on 1080p, but that's it, nothing that a good AA solution can't fix at 720p. But more than all this, is the amount of graphical processing 1080p needs! For a GPU to play games at 1080p the amount of resources it needs is staggering, resources that could be used for other things!!
THAT'S WHAT I AM saying also.
I give you this example, in 2011 I bought myself a 6950, in my country Chile the card alone cost me 400 dollars, yep, it was quite high end at the time. BUT I could play the Witcher 2 at 60fps! But guess what, if I ever wanted 1080p, which I really didn't because it wasn't even a "topic" back then, the framerate would go to the 20's or 30's! Still I used to play on a screen that was 1440x900, but I still managed 60fps.
The GPU on the PS4 is actually even faster then my old 6950, that back then used to reach 90 degrees ahaha, so yeah I am pretty pissed of that only because of those damn pixels I cannot even see, the framerate is capped and the smoothness gone and the PS4 is HOT (pretty basic english there
To end I would give you this analogy, remember the Killzone 2005 trailer, you know that CGI trailer? It looked amazing right? It was 720p. Rest my case.
Anyway! Have fun dude! dont listen to these negative nacys running around. Everything you hear is speculation and subjective at this point. The only people I would listen to is Gamespot (cause ive been following them for 15 yrs) & the Devs even tho Devs will never say anything bad about there games. But to me, CDPR is the first loyal Developer that I have seen in my life be honest 100% with there fans. Unlike Activision, EA, ect...
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I have a question Guy.
So if you hook up a PS4 and play a 1080p game on a 720p TV, does it look better because the picture is a downscaled 1080p ?
You know kind of like they are doing the 4K downscaled to 1080p thing on PCs, and it is supposed to look better.
Thx cool.Better adhesives
The Handyman's Principle in action. If you can't make it come loose with WD-40, it's not meant to come loose. If you can't make it stay together with duck tape or two-part epoxy, it's not meant to stay together.