a concern about maturity and rating of cyberpunk 2077.

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a concern about maturity and rating of cyberpunk 2077.

cdpr released 3 wonderful dark, gritty games, with boobs and gore and foul, foul language. all were rated 18/m/ and such.

but then came stand alone gwent, which feature non of the above. examples are poor fekin infantry droping the f word and redenians no longer rape for their country.
now mild spoilers, be warned!




now the sex scence in witcher 3 were really diluted compared to 2, except charcter ones who were done really good (yen, triss,shani, sienna...)

but then again, witcher 3 featurs no full frontal nudity as 1 and 2 did,




mild spoilers are done! rejoice!


mixing the diluted nudity+ cdpr releasing literaly a teen game, which in turn might affect the gwent story mode...

makes me concer that cyberpunk will not be as dark and gritty and mature as it should be, and cyberpunk is all about about gritty, nasty shit.and grim forboding tales. the worse, it might not evan get an m rating (esrb) for dumbing down the gore too!

i do hope that i am gravly wrong and should regret this


then again...


the 2013 trailer was preety gory.

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cdpr always delivers,thus far. they tend not to break promises. also they know from this forum the amount of high expactations and have time to plan accordingly.
i'd love new info as much as anyone here but i ilke when they delay stuff, remember the witcher 3 and blood and wine delay. wast worth it imho.

and for honest disclosure i do play standalone gwent and it's quite good,

if you made it thus far, have a cookie.
:)
 
I'm not sure I'd call throwing f-bombs and relishing nudity particularly mature, though. Personally, I found TW3 way too vulgar anyway, with all the random peasants uttering curses with no good reason. I do hope this will get toned down, so that such "mature" things will be used properly.

Gwent may indeed be designed with a broader audience in mind - it's a card game, why wouldn't it?
 
I'm very much of the desire that Cyberpunk 2077 be as dark and mature as the Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings and arguably even more than Witcher 3. I think we live in an age where fantasy and science fiction for adults is treated as a much more serious subject with things like Game of Thrones and Westworld on HBO.

I think video games should have that.

CD Projekt Red is one of the few which really seems to be embracing that, instead of going for all ages as much as possible.
 
Yea, Cyberpunk is a dark gritty future. I loved witcher 3, but it was way more toned down than the previous games, which is a negative because everyone praises CDPR for how mature and adult their games are. Adults are the average gamers now (in their 30's), and we need more games to cater too that demographic. That is probably one of the reasons the witcher did so well. As mentioned, GOT, Westworld, are good examples of maturity done in a good way by HBO. It doesn't try to hide it, or be subtle, it is there, it is a part of life, but it does not dominate or detract from the overall story, it actually enhances the story. Cyberpunk should be the same, not hiding it, or be subtle about it, just accept its part of the human condition and it is part of the world. Pimps and prostitutes, strip bars, VR/Sim/Braindance porn, cyber/bio "enhancements", lovers and one night stands, seducing and being seduced...it should all be in this dark world.

Since we are on the subject, I would throw so much money at my monitor for CDPR to do a Game of Thrones and/or westworld game.
 
darcler- if i was a peasent with day to day harsh life, and suddenly my country was torn about by both rabid war and ghoul plague, i'd make a drunken sailor blush with the things i'll spew from my mouth.

as for gwent- it's supposed to have a story mode set in the witcher universe- i'm sure 12 year olds can enjoy it, but not as adult with broder perspective can, imho.

but i also get you point, cursing just for the sake of it is not that mature indeed.

willowhunger and azriel7 got my points. btw also love westworld and song of ice and fire. cheers :)
 
Currently Im reading Count Zero by Gibson. While it has fairly descriptive scenes of violence and sex and people uttering obscenities, it doesn't wallow in them. It's like seasoning in a meal. Not enough and the food is bland; too much and it ruins the dish.
 
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On my end, I have a perhaps unique concern about it.

Cyberpunk is nothing new to video games. It's arguably disproportionately influential as a genre with Mirror's Edge, Shadowrun, Deus Ex, Perfect Dark, Syndicate, and elements appearing in it everywhere. Like the fact Homeland 2 got rid of its Red Dawn theme to make it a generic corporatocracy game. Borderlands 2 is cyberpunk except for the fact it takes place on another planet. Alien: Isolation remembers Alien and Aliens were hugely influential in the early genre as well with Weyland-Yutani being the other megacorp than OCP to inspire them all.

However, the thing about video games is the vast majority of them are relatively sanitized in terms of everything but violence. You can massacre a hundred or thousand people in a video game but you'll rarely see a protagonist kiss a girl. It's a very fourteen year old view of gaming and that's fine, I have an inner fourteen year old the same as everything else. Deus Ex rose above this but I'm probably one of the few people who found it FASCINATING Adam Jensen had an ex-girlfriend and signs of a life other than beating ass.

When I talk about "maturity" in Cyberpunk 2077, I'm thinking of the fact CD Projekt Red really was willing to tackle the consequences of violence and sexuality better than most developers. In the Witcher 3, one of the best moments of the game is you murdering some dudes in an inn--and that gets the reaction of horror and disgust from the locals. You also see people's lives ruined by it left and right like with the Bloody Baron who is probably the most "mature" character I've seen in a video game, Robert Baratheon EXPY or not. Sexuality-wise, adding prostitutes doesn't make a game more mature (whether you like boobies or not) but sex has a big influence on the games.

Sex is an expression of Geralt and Triss' relationship in The Witcher 2 and actually deepened it as they weren't just a silly couple in lurve. The whole "unicorn" joke helped sell us the idea that Geralt and Yennefer had a long history with each other to the point they knew each other's fetihses left and right. Sex as both a commodity and tool came up repeatedly in the game. We also get hints of Ciri's (book only) sexual abuse and how she might respond to situations that made her a more interesting character.

Now what does this happen with Cyberpunk 2077?

Well, cyberpunk has it's roots in Noir fiction and I'd like to see the world be portrayed as very sleazy and seedy in an "adult" way. I don't just want to go to the local strip club like in GTA V but be able to talk to the strippers and find out things about them related to their profession. Human Revolutions had a plot about human trafficking and how the Triads were pressuring their prostitutes to get "augmented" (which would be silly if not for the fact real life Triads do the same with regular plastic surgery). I want to know about the illicit trades and weird dark avenues which technology has impacted very human stories.

Say there's a pretty blonde cyborg character in the PsychoSquad you have the option to romance. Have the option of finding out she's been reprogrammed like the girl in the trailer (assuming she ISN'T the girl in the trailer) and questions of things like knowing you murdered a bunch of people in the equivalent of a drug fueled rage before you got your head rescrewed back together. How would that impact any potential relationship?

Hell, Cyberpunk 2020 has a lot of detail about the fact this is a society where people cut their bodies apart so they can look beautiful but fake...again, like in real life but with nanoblades.

So yeah, I want a "Hard" Mature game.
 
Now, don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against profanities and nakedness. I simply can't call a game mature just because it has said profanities and nakedness, or even detailed sex scenes. That's not what I perceive as mature. Making though decisions and dealing with consequences - that's what's mature to me. Having the choice to pay off the debt of a peasant woman instead of simply killing off the debt collectors that came to harass her, which could pose more trouble for her in the future. Dealing with Yennefer's character and cynicism rather than simply dumping her. Letting my daughter go into danger, trusting her to make the right decisions, instead of trying to protect her from any harm.

Sex, drugs and rock'n'roll should only be there to add to the flavor, not be the staple of "maturity". Thus I don't see TW3 as somehow watered down in regards of maturity; if anything, I'd say it's the exact opposite.

Then again, CP2077 describes a decadent society, not simply one experienced by hardships. I'd certainly agree that all kinds of, say, "bodily interactions", should be more pronounced than they were in TW3. It simply goes with the setting. But at the same time I'd still argue that it should stay just that: a setting.
 
you put whatt i wanted to convey more clearly then what i wrote. simply put- make this game for adult, demanding gamers, who love bar rasing expiriences.
 
tropit9;n7519800 said:
cdpr released 3 wonderful dark, gritty games, with boobs and gore and foul, foul language. all were rated 18/m/ and such.

but then came stand alone gwent, which feature non of the above. examples are poor fekin infantry droping the f word and redenians no longer rape for their country.
now mild spoilers, be warned!




now the sex scence in witcher 3 were really diluted compared to 2, except charcter ones who were done really good (yen, triss,shani, sienna...)

but then again, witcher 3 featurs no full frontal nudity as 1 and 2 did,




mild spoilers are done! rejoice!


mixing the diluted nudity+ cdpr releasing literaly a teen game, which in turn might affect the gwent story mode...

makes me concer that cyberpunk will not be as dark and gritty and mature as it should be, and cyberpunk is all about about gritty, nasty shit.and grim forboding tales. the worse, it might not evan get an m rating (esrb) for dumbing down the gore too!

i do hope that i am gravly wrong and should regret this


then again...


the 2013 trailer was preety gory.

and


cdpr always delivers,thus far. they tend not to break promises. also they know from this forum the amount of high expactations and have time to plan accordingly.
i'd love new info as much as anyone here but i ilke when they delay stuff, remember the witcher 3 and blood and wine delay. wast worth it imho.

and for honest disclosure i do play standalone gwent and it's quite good,

if you made it thus far, have a cookie.
:)

you shouldn't be worried, the mature aspect will come from the subject matter of what's happening in the world. you're going to see oppression, sex, murders, drug use etc this is all a part of the cyberpunk world. it will definitely be rated mature and for good reason. the mature aspect of CD projekt games comes from the ambient overtone not from just the blood.
 
They may have to tone down the drug use more then they might wish since the Australian ratings board has issues with drugs. But maybe they can pull what Bethesda did and just relabel morphine Med-X.
 
Suhiira;n7536550 said:
They may have to tone down the drug use more then they might wish since the Australian ratings board has issues with drugs. But maybe they can pull what Bethesda did and just relabel morphine Med-X.

Interesting bit of trivia: Due to Cyberpunk being created in the 80s during the height of the anti-tabletop movement (ludicrous as it was), the game uniformly took an anti-drug stance which was quite at odds with what you'd expect from an edgy left-learning anarchist RPG.
 
Willowhugger;n7536590 said:
Interesting bit of trivia: Due to Cyberpunk being created in the 80s during the height of the anti-tabletop movement (ludicrous as it was),.

Ah, this is new. From what I understand, it's actually because Mike Pondsmith really, REALLY doesn't like (hard) drug use. Don't fault him on that one, really. Not like his players are going to go out and boost cars, shoot people. But they might try speedball. So in Cpunk, drugs can be powerful but boy do they suck for addiction and withdrawal.

All I do in-game is make drugs 1/10th the price. Edginess added, problem solved.
 
Sardukhar;n7536930 said:
Ah, this is new. From what I understand, it's actually because Mike Pondsmith really, REALLY doesn't like (hard) drug use. Don't fault him on that one, really. Not like his players are going to go out and boost cars, shoot people. But they might try speedball. So in Cpunk, drugs can be powerful but boy do they suck for addiction and withdrawal.

All I do in-game is make drugs 1/10th the price. Edginess added, problem solved.

Might be true!

But either way, I wouldn't be surprised if Braindancing is used in place of drugs given we've got all the stories about people living in the gutter as long as they have their mind-fix. It's not like Geralt was doing anything other than selling Fisstech either.
 
Willowhugger;n7537110 said:
Might be true!

But either way, I wouldn't be surprised if Braindancing is used in place of drugs given we've got all the stories about people living in the gutter as long as they have their mind-fix. It's not like Geralt was doing anything other than selling Fisstech either.

Oooh! We better have drugs! There's a whole kind of gang called Dorphers who subsist on them!
 
Of the more popular games out there, I'd say Mafia series does this best( though not without flaws). Character presentation is flawless, every character looks the part, the game does not fast forward through "A material", but does not use them simply for shock value or it outstays it's welcome.
Witcher ? ( Give or take a few sex cards) did better than most, but there were some mistakes: from characters( one dimensional like Eredin or inconsistent like Radovid) to visual design( Ciri on the run in high heels, Imlerith, etc) or at times pointless vulgarity.
It's more often the case of trying too hard to be mature than lacking it.
 
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