OK, here is the more elaborate explanation - for me, Citadel DLC was cheesy, goofy, cheapest form of fanservice, full of bad, unfunny jokes and overall felt like an amateurish fanfiction. I don't ever want to see CDPR stoop on this level, it's as simple as that... No need to get offended.
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Citadel DLC was praised by a lot of people, most importantly the fans, but also by a lot of critics as a proper and very emotional end to the whole trilogy. Everyone was there, you had a cool quest line leading up to the whole thing, you were able to meet nearly everyone again and have a bit of a chat and even fulfill your romance to some degree. Like it or not that kind of stuff is what most people want for the characters they have grown attached to. I'm not actually asking for a whole DLC but they absolutely dropped the ball with Corvo Bianco. They dropped the ball in the main game already when it came to something like that but we always had the feeling that they would make it good in one of the expansions. Well they didn't and a lot of people would like a last big feast with all your friends. If this is really the last expansion we get... then this is a shitty way to end the whole affair... 5-10 sentences from your love interest... wow.
No, they did an excellent job in B&W ending...quietly, retrospective and with dignity.
While I enjoyed MEIII more with Citadel than without it, I agree here with ooodrin...Citadel was far, FAR over the top.
Previously dead serious Shepard suddenly cracking jokes at every opportunity, completely nonsensical "story" and finale of let's throw a PARTY! in the middle of...galactic wide extermination. It had some nice moments, but for the most part it felt downright amateurish.
People overlooked this, simply because of how they were "starving" for some closure.
Of any kind.
While I enjoyed MEIII more with Citadel than without it, I agree here with ooodrin...Citadel was far, FAR over the top.
Previously dead serious Shepard suddenly cracking jokes at every opportunity, completely nonsensical "story" and finale of let's throw a PARTY! in the middle of...galactic wide extermination. It had some nice moments, but for the most part it felt downright amateurish.
People overlooked this, simply because of how they were "starving" for some closure.
Of any kind.
Well I'm not exactly sure if you have ever been in a comparable situation in your life but people tend to try and cram as much living in before they have to undertake something that might prove deadly to them. Ask any soldier just about to go to a warzone. This is why it wasn't corny. It was the last hooray and the last letting of steam and getting together because you might never get back. Sure I don't want the questline in the Witcher. I already explained through my suggestion here: http://forums.cdprojektred.com/thre...se-of-the-guest-room-in-Corvo-Bianco-Spoilers exactly what I would like to see. Simply Geralt preparing a feast for his friends and those that could storywise make it to Toussaint. It would involve some small quests that I explained and it would in no way be undignified. Quite the opposite. It would be a celebration of Geralt's retirement and a coming together of friends.
I don't know why you or CDPR don't get it but for the majority of people this isn't any kind of closure. Half the people are still howling about Iorveth and Saskia, loads of people are and have been howling about the end state of the world being reset to some sort of half way there state but without your love interest, Ciri or anyone really. Loads of people have already been complaining how shitty Corvo Bianco is because all you get to see is your love interest or Ciri. Most people would probably settle for a visit from Ciri + your love interest + Dandelion (maybe even Zoltan). You could even have them at different stages of the main quest and do not have to have them all at once. How is this closure? Especially when you get the Triss ending: Hi Geralt, when are we off to Kovir? Okay, just gonna hang out here and sun myself silly. That's just bad overall. It's no closure whatsoever. You don't get to know how Ciri is doing, or how Yen is or how your friends are, you don't get to say goodbye. That is I think what most people who do want something like that want: a proper goodbye. Having the chance to talk to everyone again for the last time, maybe have some minor competitions, some group talk and what not. That wouldn't be out of character, amateurish or anything. It would be what loads of people wanted and never got.
Again I'm not really sure how the sudden appearance of your love interest and the 5 sentences you exchange is in any way shape or form retrospective and dignified. It felt rushed and tbh it also made sinking money into Corvo Bianco look again like the shitty job CDPR did with the runewright. Something to drown your money in with no apparent use or impact.
Again...let me repeat: that is what you and perhaps others wanted, but that is only your preference. And considering it has the highest ratings from both critics and players, facts speak very plainly here: this is minority's opinion saying "MOST people wanted!".
In comparison with Citadel, it was not an issue of "soldiers saying last goodbye in a more relaxed tone"...it was how inconsistent, silly and out of place it felt in the whole series while taking place in exactly the same setting. Toussaint had entire context of very different culture and world building that prevented this issue( though sometimes jokes were a bit over the top).
And it's silly that you're saying how "shitty" Corvo Bianco is...what exactly could you upgrade and customize in Shepard's apartment from Citadel?
This is seriously unbelievable...you give the players one of the largest expansions in years with three times more content than an average AAA title for three times less the price.
And they still complain for not getting enough.
In comparison with Citadel, it was not an issue of "soldiers saying last goodbye in a more relaxed tone"...it was how inconsistent, silly and out of place it felt in the whole series while taking place in exactly the same setting. Toussaint had entire context of very different culture and world building that prevented this issue( though sometimes jokes were a bit over the top).
And it's silly that you're saying how "shitty" Corvo Bianco is...what exactly could you upgrade and customize in Shepard's apartment from Citadel?
This is seriously unbelievable...you give the players one of the largest expansions in years with three times more content than an average AAA title for three times less the price.
And they still complain for not getting enough.
Well you could actually change the furniture if you wanted to in shephards apartment. That's not the point though. The point if the apartment was the party and meeting various of your mates. That is what Corvo Bianco pretended to be or was supposed to be bust it just isn't. So you sink money into it because you wanna have your mates over and admire your fancy crib and... well it doesn't happen. Even your love interest gives you a one liner about the 20.000 crowns you spend and the thought you put into decorating it... that's just bad writing and another useless money sinkhole.
Nobody bashed the expansion in general. Well not everyone. I loved the sidequests etc. I hated the main quest tbh. I appreciate the effort but exactly because this thing is so huge a lot of people ask the question: how is it that they could not or would not include a little party at the end? That would have probably been the least problematic thing to do out of all the stuff for the expansion.
Nobody bashed the expansion in general. Well not everyone. I loved the sidequests etc. I hated the main quest tbh. I appreciate the effort but exactly because this thing is so huge a lot of people ask the question: how is it that they could not or would not include a little party at the end? That would have probably been the least problematic thing to do out of all the stuff for the expansion.
citadel dlc was very good, but it did not fix the ridiculous endings at all. the witcher 3 already has its fanservice dlc: the expansion blood and wine , but i have not completed it yet, it has too many bugs, i can't progress, so i don't know if this expansion achieves what all people here want
What a party full of cringey humor, blatant pandering to recover goodwill, and more quality waifu time? If that's what people wanted then no there's not much of that.
I think there's been plenty of citadel-like moments. The bants with Lambo and Esky, the last parts of the game with Ciri, the romance plots with Yen or Triss and that farewell with Shani in HoS, etc etc.
I'm sure people love the idea of having all the characters in one place having a good time but that's just not how it works in The Witcher universe. Each character got a proper send off and that should be enough. Everybody loved the part with Lambert and Eskel but do you really wanna oversaturate the good times?
Mass Effect had a rotating roster of squadmates, they spoke to each other in the elevators, made comments and had squabbles on the ship.
As far as I know, Geralt doesn't have a squad and getting aliens to work together and be friends isn't part of his job.
"But Darkstar, don't you wanna see your favourite characters again?", I've read the books, I've played the games and I've even watched the show. The characters are great but the whole Witcher universe needs a rest.
If you have too much of a good thing then all of it becomes meaningless. I'd rather not get sick of my favourite universe.
I'm sure people love the idea of having all the characters in one place having a good time but that's just not how it works in The Witcher universe. Each character got a proper send off and that should be enough. Everybody loved the part with Lambert and Eskel but do you really wanna oversaturate the good times?
Mass Effect had a rotating roster of squadmates, they spoke to each other in the elevators, made comments and had squabbles on the ship.
As far as I know, Geralt doesn't have a squad and getting aliens to work together and be friends isn't part of his job.
"But Darkstar, don't you wanna see your favourite characters again?", I've read the books, I've played the games and I've even watched the show. The characters are great but the whole Witcher universe needs a rest.
If you have too much of a good thing then all of it becomes meaningless. I'd rather not get sick of my favourite universe.
This is a pretty good point. The "party" does fit in the ME zeitgeist better than in the Witcher universe. Having said that, I definitely agree with those who would have liked to have invited friends for a gathering the end of Blood and Wine. I think a small gathering with Ciri (with escorts if Empress ending), Yen or Triss, Zoltan, Dandelion, Eskel, and Regis (if he remains in Toussaint) would have been great. Not something silly like ME or No Place Like Home ... something sincere. Something that emphasized that Geralt may be settling down. Serious but light hearted conversations about all the consequences from the journey these characters have made together.
But I do get your point.
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well I never played mass effect 3 only the first two but I've always gotten a kick out of CD reds humor, can't say the same for Mass effect, and I don't think it's fair to say it will be the same, they have different writer's after all.
I still think it would be proper to have post MQ content like many have been saying for his close one's, not sure about a huge party like with every single character up until this point though, that might force it a bit much. Especially since some are enemies. But yes your lover of choice, Ciri, and Dandelion and Zoltan come immediately to mind that should have post MQ content. Like you could have the post MQ content with Zoltan and Dandelion before you head off to Toussiant, say in Novigrad(although I would love to see the dwarves from Vergen and the other KM witchers to party it up and shoot the shit with during this time too) and then have TRiss or Yen and Ciri content in Touissant.
I still think it would be proper to have post MQ content like many have been saying for his close one's, not sure about a huge party like with every single character up until this point though, that might force it a bit much. Especially since some are enemies. But yes your lover of choice, Ciri, and Dandelion and Zoltan come immediately to mind that should have post MQ content. Like you could have the post MQ content with Zoltan and Dandelion before you head off to Toussiant, say in Novigrad(although I would love to see the dwarves from Vergen and the other KM witchers to party it up and shoot the shit with during this time too) and then have TRiss or Yen and Ciri content in Touissant.
Fan Service
So I've been thinking - why not release an enjoyable DLC similar to that of Mass Effect 3's "Citadel" DLC? Would be interesting to see some more drunk Geralt escapades. As well as how the characters would interact with one another. Maybe see Dandelion get himself into trouble after a prank-gone-wrong. Possibly have random party guests so Yennefer could use a bit of magic to mess with them or have Lambert play a gwent match against someone, lose and flip the table. Just fun and interesting things that give you a break from all your witcherly duties.
So I've been thinking - why not release an enjoyable DLC similar to that of Mass Effect 3's "Citadel" DLC? Would be interesting to see some more drunk Geralt escapades. As well as how the characters would interact with one another. Maybe see Dandelion get himself into trouble after a prank-gone-wrong. Possibly have random party guests so Yennefer could use a bit of magic to mess with them or have Lambert play a gwent match against someone, lose and flip the table. Just fun and interesting things that give you a break from all your witcherly duties.
See, as I said. 4 months later and nothing happened.
It is still the perfect ending for me though, because it is exactly what Geralt and Yennefer had always in mind, but having one last supper and saying goodbye to everybody else would have been great.
It is still the perfect ending for me though, because it is exactly what Geralt and Yennefer had always in mind, but having one last supper and saying goodbye to everybody else would have been great.