A little worrying

[CTPhipps]

Are you saying the fans generated all the hype and CDPR marketing team did not at all inflame and mislead people?

I believe they overhyped things but I ALSO I think a lot of people read a lot more into things than necessary.

Like saying "Lifepaths have unique endings."

Which is true because Panam IS the Nomad ending. Arasaka is the Corpo ending. Rogue is the Street Kid ending.

 

[eidius]

I believe they overhyped things but I ALSO I think a lot of people read a lot more into things than necessary.

Explain to me what people should have reasonably though from this trailer in 2018.

Please listen to 45:30 to 46:00 minutes.
We both know that this demo quest has nothing else like it in the entire game where you have half a dozen narrative ways of approaching a quest. At least in my playthrough experience.

The narrator makes it clear that this is the entire game in a nutshell.
Tell me how anyone at the height of "CDPR would never lie to us due to their past honesty" and the hype train being set full throttle by trailers like this did anyone besides the most pessimist players would say "Yep this is all lies."

 

[Gnomenuttz]

Just read a few points in the article, not gonna bother paying too much attention to a company that has already lied to and manipulated the community.

 

[Gaijin01]

It's early...you got the time...Cyberpunk2077 2.0
And stick in all that stuff you sweeties left out...
Start planning Iwinski!

 

[CTPhipps]

My feelings are simple:

Don't give about ANYTHING until you have a functioning game.

THEN worry about everything else.

 

[RJO1794]

You need to be pretty disconnected from reality to believe that "Good reviews on PC" equates to a good product on PC. My PC version was a buggy mess that forced me to despair at this game within the first 40 minutes. I then ran that same 40 minutes with another path and it was no better there either.

So we have a CEO that believes the PC version of the game met his aspirations? Now the bar is set pretty low in Limbo, but that's a playable game, and all you need is a stick.

 

[hulkman2456]

I understand your position, OP. And I agree on a lot of parts. They made mistakes, and its their job to fix them. Whatever happens in the future. happens. CP was the game that I was willing to pre-order and believed in their words. It's also the last time I ever do that again. Even if they pull a hello games. It's not worth it anymore. Hype, seeing the trailers. Moving forward. I will be assume this is bull shots and features. Waiting solely on reviews from gamers. To really see where the game actually goes.

If they deliver and fix the game. Restore various things. I don't expect them to restore 100% of the cut content. But if they show effort. That just puts a bandage on the wound. It will redeem but I won't fall for marketing again. I do expect fans will be the ones who actively finish the incomplete elements in the game. Sometimes you just have to move on. If they ever make a sequel or a full size expansion. I will be forever weary.

 

[RadiumDragon]

I said 2-3 days after released, no restriction anymore because they can review the actual product. Plus what CDPR has been promoted this whole time is way too good to be true. So far only RDR2 can pull it off about the NPC have their own life, but the scale are not this massive.Are you the type who purchased the game straight after it came out without checking it first?

Yes, that's the point. Over promising when they knew they couldn't deliver and then hiding that fact. And no, but that doesn't stop me from noticing a games questionable quality now does it? I call it as I see it. Content was noticeably cut, bugs and glitches galore on all platforms, subpar story with interesting characters. But seeing as how I watched a mod on these forums tell people not to play the game the way it's meant to be played in order to prevent that save file corruption bug it really doesn't matter how bad of shape this game is in.

 

[Zix135]

We have to wait and hope that cut content comes back in the DLC!!!

 

[Attidd]

I understand your position, OP. And I agree on a lot of parts. They made mistakes, and its their job to fix them. Whatever happens in the future. happens. CP was the game that I was willing to pre-order and believed in their words. It's also the last time I ever do that again. Even if they pull a hello games. It's not worth it anymore. Hype, seeing the trailers. Moving forward. I will be assume this is bull shots and features. Waiting solely on reviews from gamers. To really see where the game actually goes.

If they deliver and fix the game. Restore various things. I don't expect them to restore 100% of the cut content. But if they show effort. That just puts a bandage on the wound. It will redeem but I won't fall for marketing again. I do expect fans will be the ones who actively finish the incomplete elements in the game. Sometimes you just have to move on. If they ever make a sequel or a full size expansion. I will be forever weary.

Biggest reason why they aren't going to add the cut content (unless it comes back as DLC they sell to you for more money) is because people are going to still buy their games, still buy games on GOG. If they were to lose customers from this then they would've hauled ass to fix everything in it. But because players will forgive them and buy their next game they have no obligation to do anything more than bug fixes.

 

[keghi11]

Yes, that's the point. Over promising when they knew they couldn't deliver and then hiding that fact. And no, but that doesn't stop me from noticing a games questionable quality now does it? I call it as I see it. Content was noticeably cut, bugs and glitches galore on all platforms, subpar story with interesting characters. But seeing as how I watched a mod on these forums tell people not to play the game the way it's meant to be played in order to prevent that save file corruption bug it really doesn't matter how bad of shape this game is in.

Nailed it, TBH I've been playing for 240 hours already. The reason I still play it because I want to complete 100% achievements, I'm a completionist.

 

[hulkman2456]

Biggest reason why they aren't going to add the cut content (unless it comes back as DLC they sell to you for more money) is because people are going to still buy their games, still buy games on GOG. If they were to lose customers from this then they would've hauled ass to fix everything in it. But because players will forgive them and buy their next game they have no obligation to do anything more than bug fixes.

CP was the first game I bought from them. I'm not really attached to the company. So I don't have a problem of not buying games from them again. It would help if people would all stop. So that these actions aren't repeated again. Money is the only thing that matters.

 

[Guest 4375874]

I watched and listened carefully to the message the CDPR CEO broadcasted through the video today and I have to say I'm extremely disappointed and feel like its a hopeless situation, like this is the final end of the road for Cyberpunk.

Us gamers have learned the hard lesson that we shouldn't read between the lines and interject our own personal hopes and dreams into a game when the developer doesn't explicitly made such a promise in writing, even when its hinted and reasonably inferred or all but assumed, we have to stop short of letting our imagination run wild and we must go by what is actually stated...

It isn't so much what the CEO said, it is what he did NOT say... He made zero mention of revamping the totally nonexistent AI, including the lacking NPC AI driving, the cop chase /stars system and also the AI of the NPC pedestrians and in general the true immersion of the game/city that was promised but never materialized...

There was zero mention of adding back content that was cut, nothing about adding back the train system, or the walk climbing, or dual welding or any number of dozens of features and functionalities that were promised in the numerous trailers but then suddenly abandoned and cut out at the very last minute in order to ship a broken and incomplete game under false pretenses just to pump up sales revenue for the holiday season....

So in essence, there will be a few bug fixes, but that's pretty much it.... you can tell by the tone of the CEO that in his mind the PC version is already pretty great and basically don't even need fixing, and the main focus will be on making the last gen consoles versions more playable...

What is most disheartening perhaps is towards the end of the video message the CEO is just brushing Cyberpunk aside and already on the verge of pimping to us the next new games/titles that CDPR has in the pipeline and in the works...

I for one will never again pre-order another game from CDPR, and most likely will never buy nor play another CDPR game ever again if their DLC ends up being just some more story telling missions and does nothing to fix the AI, to add back functionality that was in the trailer but cut out at last minute, or to make good on the immersion that was promised that would befit a city of this genre...

But if we are to take the CEO's own words at face value, there is no evidence that any of this will ever happen. The only thing he mentioned was bug fixes, primarily on the last gen consoles, and still refused to admit the PC version is also horribly broken in that its basically missing at least a full 1/3rds of the content/functionality/immersion that was cut out in order to rush the shipping date and also to load-shed the game enough to conform to the last gen consoles least common denominator...

It isn't about the money to me, I would gladly pay hundreds or thousands of bucks for a true NightCity that lived up to its full potential... but what we are hearing from the CEO today, is that they will do some bug fixes, push out a DLC with no mention of adding back cut functionality and content/ immersion, no mention of fixing AI, NPC, etc and basically just wrapping it up and now they already want to rinse and repeat and ready to sell us the NEXT game...

Fool me once....


NO... JUST NO. NEVER AGAIN.

Sorry you feel that way, hopefully you are in the minority and I'm willing to wager that you are. If the last month has taught me anything it's that the devs should keep focused on their fanbase. Those that enjoy the stories they tell, judging by how many posts are here with ppl tailoring some other game they wanted, they were clearly never into this kind of storytelling in the first place but the hype and nothing more. I can't wait to get back to normal. Still on my first play through and can't wait for future expansions

 

[Gillian_Seed]

It isn't about the money to me...

Its not about the money for me either but principles and I guess my feelings are pretty close to yours but I'm waiting to see what they do before I make my final judgement. I don't need them to publicly acknowledge how flawed the game is beyond bugs and glitches and from a consumer relations standpoint though it would be admirable to acknowledge such things, very few if any corporations have the balls to do such a thing not to mention they're under threat of law suits so just with the way the world works they couldn't say much.

Maybe they address more than bugs and glitches, maybe they don't. No point in judging them on that matter before we know if they will or not.

 

[animalfather]

Bugs are not the issue. What happened to the RPG mechanics? What happened to decisions matter and effect the world?

 

[pndrad]

At this point its a wait and see thing. I don't think all hope is lost yet, but I don't know what to expect.

 

[hulkman2456]

At this point its a wait and see thing. I don't think all hope is lost yet, but I don't know what to expect.

I do agree on this. Hello Games did it. I'm not saying CD is done. They'll be a shit company forever. I'm more in the space of: They fix it, great. They fumble the ball. Oh, well. I just don't buy from them anymore and move on.

 

[Guest 3573786]

On, point OP. Far as I'm concerned, bug and glitches are the least of the game's problems - those will obviously be fixed. We need to know barebones features will be improved and the wealth of missing features and content will be added.

 

[CTPhipps]

On, point OP. Far as I'm concerned, bug and glitches are the least of the game's problems - those will obviously be fixed. We need to know barebones features will be improved and the wealth of missing features and content will be added.

Your obviously is very different from.

 

[Ayinde_Palmer]

That doesn't address what I'm talking about. He only talked about bugs and legacy console performance. He didn't talk about any other issues with the game. The road map doesn't reference any issues either.

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The game is no where near what was advertised. What we hoped or thought it would be was what they advertised. The game very factually is missing a lot of contend their marketing showed would be in the game.

I have seen what people think is missing, none of it materially changes what the game is about, many of the videos are literally in game footage that still exists now. The overall gameplay is the same as shown. They presented an action pc narrative rpg with open world elements, thats what the game is, minus bugs. Better crowd AI isn't going to make the game into something different. Adding wall climbing doesn't change much either.

Forget features, what type of gameplay did you expect to have? Like What was your vision if what you might do in a gameplay session? I'm legitimately curious

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I don't think they'll just give us a bunch of weapons/cars/clothes as the free DLC, people will be mad. Everyone is expecting more from them

why would they expect more? they said it would be similar to witcher free dlc, and I heard thats what they had.