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Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

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#1
Jul 28, 2014
About mice and other controllers

Since there are some dedicated threads about computers and monitors, let's open another one about mice and controllers, which are one of the most critical components for ergonomic experience.

What are your preferred models? I'm primarily interested in mice, but comments about other controllers are also welcome.
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#2
Jul 28, 2014
I was looking to get a new mouse, and Logitech M500 and G400s look like interesting candidates (I prefer wired mice). Did anyone use these?
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#3
Jul 28, 2014
Gilrond said:
I was looking to get a new mouse, and Logitech M500 and G400s look like interesting candidates (I prefer wired mice). Did anyone use these?
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I picked up a G300 a few weeks ago, and I'm happy with it. I assume that the drivers and software for controlling the extra buttons are all OK on Linux? I thought that the Logitech software was a bit clunky compared to X-Mouse though, but it does seem to work. If there's third-party software around though, it may be worth checking out.

Stay away from Dragonwar - they seem to be marketed as a mid-priced gaming mouse here, they look good and have decent specs, but don't seem to be well-made. I got one last year and it died within six months.
 
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GuyNwah

Ex-moderator
#4
Jul 28, 2014
I know I'm in a minority on this, but I strongly prefer trackballs, even for gaming. Have ever since one of those damn one-eyed Apple mice messed up my index finger. Logitech Marble is well supported by Xorg. The ArchWiki describes how to set it up: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Logitech_Marble_Mouse
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#5
Jul 28, 2014
@Dragonbird: Logitech devices are usually OK on Linux and work out of the box with kernel drivers. I don't really want to risk other brands, since Linux support there can be quite flaky or non existent.

@Guy N'wah: Yes, I saw Logitech trackballs as well, and heard people praising them. It's probably more ergonomic for regular desktop usage, but how good is it actually for gaming in comparison to a mouse?
 
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gadrael

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#6
Jul 28, 2014
I have recently bought G600 (to replace my very old G5). At the begining, I had hard time, because it has completely different ergonomy, and side buttons are small... but after some time I got used to it and I really enjoy having all those buttons (it;s handy with some action games - you can have whole toolbar on your mouse).
It needs windows to reprogram it, but settings are kept in mouse flash memory. Under linux side panel is seen as HID keyboard, and you don't need additional drivers (configuration is handled by mouse chip)
http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/g600-mmo-gaming-mouse
 
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Aaden

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#7
Jul 28, 2014
I currently use a G400. What is imperative for me is that it has an optical LED sensor. It feels so much smoother than laser!

Working for a games magazine, I had the chance to try a few different brands and models a few years ago and they don't match Logitech in durability. My first gaming mouse - a Logitech MX510 from 2005 or 2006 - is still in use by my cousin.
 
gregski

gregski

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#8
Jul 28, 2014
I have been using Logitech G5 for I don't know...at least 8 years already and it hasn't failed me even once even in times of intense Quake III Arena/Quake Live fascination. Highly recommended.
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#9
Jul 28, 2014
My current Logitech is falling apart and still works! Might need a new one soon. Are all those buttons really worth it?

What are your thoughts on mouse pads?
 
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GuyNwah

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#10
Jul 28, 2014
Gilrond said:
@Dragonbird: Logitech devices are usually OK on Linux and work out of the box with kernel drivers. I don't really want to risk other brands, since Linux support there can be quite flaky or non existent.

@Guy N'wah: Yes, I saw Logitech trackballs as well, and heard people praising them. It's probably more ergonomic for regular desktop usage, but how good is it actually for gaming in comparison to a mouse?
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I find it actually works well for gaming. It takes getting used to. It also takes some tuning of the sensitivity and acceleration, so that you get both fine control for small movements and the ability to slew the pointer over a whole diagonal in one motion. The ball is good at gradual movement and holding a position when you release it. It makes arm-wrestling in Witcher 2 even easier than it's supposed to be. Though because it's a mechanical device, it takes frequent cleaning. But to be able to left-click with your thumb and point with your index finger soon becomes a "how did I ever get by without this?" feature.

I'm talking about the either-hand Marble here; I don't care for the right-handed thumb-ball models.
 
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Aaden

Rookie
#11
Jul 28, 2014
.Volsung. said:
What are your thoughts on mouse pads?
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Definitely, one thought is that cloth > plastic > metal/glass/other nonsense.

My personal favorite is Steelseries' QCK. Grips perfectly, smooth surface, does not curl like many plastic pads when exposed to heat/the sun, gets the glide just right for my personal preference, is also available in an extra-large variant for those who prefer low sensitivity.
 
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gadrael

Forum veteran
#12
Jul 28, 2014
.Volsung. said:
Are all those buttons really worth it?
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I think it depends of game and your playstyle. I like to have fingers on WSAD all the time, and additional mouse buttons are really handy. F.e. some time ago I was playing GW2 as grenadier - I had to run with WSAD, target grenades with mouse (all grenade attacks were ground AOE so it werent possible to just lock some taget), and throw many different kinds of grenades with mouse buttons. Without mouse with at leat 6 buttons it would be much harder.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#13
Jul 28, 2014
It depends on the game. I don't like having to move my hand any further right than F4, so if it needs more hotkeys than that, I prefer to be able to set them up on the mouse. I also don't like clicking the centre mouse button for some reason, although it's OK for scrolling, so I find it convenient to have a few extra buttons. Six is just about right.

And yes, cloth mousepads. The only time that didn't really work for me was when the only one I could find had a picture of Hello Kitty on it. Pretty much screwed up my gameplay.
 
sidspyker

sidspyker

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#14
Jul 28, 2014
.Volsung. said:
What are your thoughts on mouse pads?
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Mouse mat> pad.
 
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FoggyFishburne

Banned
#15
Jul 29, 2014
For the longest time, I only used a mouse for gaming. I was one of those idiots who thought that all games and all developers should make games with the mouse in mind and optimizes accordingly. Fucking hell, I'm so glad Dark Souls came along and schooled my ass. Not only when it comes the input methods we use but also when it comes to game design. That game has changed my life.

In any case, now I use both keyboard and mouse AND a controller for gaming. And my life is better and richer for it. I simply cannot understand how I could go so many years without one. What games I use the controller for varies though. It's usually third person and side-scrolling games such as Dark Souls, Watch Dogs, DMC and Rogue's Legacy.

If there's anyone who doesn't have a controller or is a stubborn bastard like I used to be and refuses to get one because "PC master race" deserves more attention etc, then I highly recommend you get a controller and/or stop being a dick and embrace the controller. It feels good having something solid in your hands. It feels like you're focusing all your attention on the game and nothing else. The minimalist presentation of the controller means you don't have to think about buttons but instead can let yourself be completely immersed by the game. Awesome stuff.

Some games really are made for controllers, and some for keyboard and mouse. That's reality and there's really no point in debating it. Car, third person and fighting games should be played with a controller. Strategy, first person and finesse games are better with K&M. Of course you could always be a stubborn prick, like I used to be, and force yourself to master a certain input method for all games but, hey. Up to you I guess. I can't emphasize how much happier I am now that I have OPTIONS regarding how I can to interact with a game.
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#16
Jul 29, 2014
FoggyFishburne said:
If there's anyone who doesn't have a controller or is a stubborn bastard like I used to be and refuses to get one because "PC master race" deserves more attention etc, then I highly recommend you get a controller and/or stop being a dick and embrace the controller.
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Make me. :p
 
Gilrond-i-Virdan

Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#17
Jul 29, 2014
I might be interested in testing something like the Steam controller when it will come out. I prefer keyboard and mouse for gaming though.
 
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Glaroug.531

Forum veteran
#18
Jul 29, 2014
Just how great is the increase in performance in something like that beautiful G600 compared to a "normal" mouse? I have a ~12 year old Microsoft Intellimouse that has served me very well, and use a notepad as a mousepad :p
 
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volsung

Forum veteran
#19
Jul 29, 2014
I like gamepads for racing and fighting games. Those more arcadey anyway. Traditional PC games, like adventure, cRPG and elaborate strategy, cannot be played comfortably with a gamepad. I don't mind using whatever though. I even have a Nintendo DSi.
 
Sardukhar

Sardukhar

Moderator
#20
Jul 29, 2014
Steering with my thumbs. No,thank you. Maybe when there is a controller that has the fine control of a mouse, I'll be more interested. That has the fine control of a mouse without being really expensive or take months to learn on, I should add.

I often feel trapped and chained to my mouse and kb, so I'd hardly say I'm a fan, but it beats the feeling if frustration and clumsiness I get from a controller. And, yes, I've played Dark Souls, RDR, GTA, GoW, you name it. Controllers, ugh.

I await my Master Race Gaming Device. I'm thinking..some kind of telepathic controller?
 
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