I usually do this fairly early in the act precisely because the experience reward for the echinopsae is larger in the beginning.Useful talents:- Position (from strength, parry +10%)- Repel (from dexterity, parry +10%)- Deflect Arrows (from dexterity), but not necessary- Poison Resistance (from stamina), but not necessarylHaving just Strength and Dexterity both at level two main and the parry talents is usually enough, then taking a torch and killing the echinopsae one by one. You don't usually need a swallow until after the third echinops. The nasty part is that the Sated Echinops pops up simultaneosuly with one other, so using the torch to get incineration going on the first, then retreating behind the stalagmites and repeating as necessary is a good idea. Pay attention to where the echinopsae erupt, because fighting more than one at a time is not a good idea.You do need the parry skills because otherwise you'll get chewed up good. Be sure to also have bribed the old women with food to get the echinops monster entry before you go into the cave. Never too early to start collecting echinops rootstocks.