[ACT II] end of chap 2 feels so wrong

[belgorod]

[ACT II] end of chap 2 feels so wrong

There I am facing Azure and the Professor at the swamp tower. They proceed to give me a huge ass whooping... guess I got behind in the action.... regardless, why do they just leave me laying there and not chop my witcher head off? I really think the player should get killed there if he fights bad, the way I did, and have to re-load and try again to fight better. He should have to kick ass and perhaps drive those two scurrying away through their portal. That would have felt so much better and realistic.I was sickened to not have been killed after fighting such a crappy fight, and moving into the next chapter like that... a total wimp. It just seemed so unlikely for those two fiends not to put an end to the witcher... totally unreal and stupid.What you all think?

 

[Corylea.723]

Actually, you're winning the fight. In desperation, the Professor pulls out a bomb, which stuns you for a moment.I agree that it's sort of surprising that they don't simply kill you while you're unconscious, but both Azar Javed and the Professor are seriously rattled by how much Geralt hit both of them. The Professor says to Javed, "You idiot, you almost got me killed!" It sounds to me like they ran away because they were scared and only realized later that they could have killed Geralt while he was unconscious.

 

[lycos]

What you all think?

The conversation just after the Prof drops the bomb also helps - "Quick, lets escape before he recovers" which sort of implies that the bomb is means to be a quick effect thing (like your zerakanian sun or sarnum bombs). After getting the crap kicked out of them by Geralt, and with Azars powers nerfed due to the water and the Professor hurting - they do a runner rather that stick around in the presence of a seriously pissed off witcher. Another possible reason is that the Order and the Soci'atel are duking it out nearby so they take off. Or say the bomb was meant to be a temporary stun, but it interacted with the toxins in Geralts system or something and kocked him cold instead of stunning.As to why he is knocked out for days (as mentioned by Triss) that I dont know. But then again Triss is a complete liar (oh nothing important in the mirror...nothing at all...trust me..).

 

[kayann]

Having just finished Chapter 2, let me enlighten everyone.The bomb used was made from something like Zerrkanian scorpians and was decleared (by Azar from memory) to be powerful enough to kill even a mutant (ie. Geralt). The Professors parting words were to "say hello to your friend" (I assume this is a reference to Berenger who is dead, and is obviously a reference to the fact that Geralt will soon see him in Hell) and "enjoy dying". The ONLY reason Geralt survived was because Triss was doing some scan for magical anomolies, picked up all the magic being tossed around at the tower, went to investigate and found Geralt DYING. She, we are left to assumed, healed him.Yes you were winning (maybe), but the professor pulled out a nasty trick from his sleeve which caught you out and left you dying. Geralt is not supposed to be invicible or perfect. I didn't really see this as wrong, though perhaps making sure he was dead would make more sense, yet then he wouldn't SUFFER - and judging by the words "enjoy dying" I think we can assume the Professor is going to enjoy thinking about Geralts agony as he dies a slow death from the distilled poison of zerrkanian scorpians.(DISCLAIMER: The above should be pretty accurate as I just passed this event a few hours back, but may not be perfect and I sure don't guarentee my spelling!)

 

[Gamewidow]

I'm with you Kayann, i think that accurately describes what's going on at the end of Act II eace:

 

[lycos]

The bomb used was made from something like Zerrkanian scorpians and was decleared (by Azar from memory) to be powerful enough to kill even a mutant (ie. Geralt). The Professors parting words were to "say hello to your friend" (I assume this is a reference to Berenger who is dead, and is obviously a reference to the fact that Geralt will soon see him in Hell) and "enjoy dying". The ONLY reason Geralt survived was because Triss was doing some scan for magical anomolies, picked up all the magic being tossed around at the tower, went to investigate and found Geralt DYING. She, we are left to assumed, healed him.

Must be different in whatever language version you have - not mention of the contents, etc.From the UK English (from memory)Professor: *throws bomb with lots of green smoke*Geralt: *staggers and falls over*Professor: Azar you idiot you almost got me killedAzar: Quickly return to our base in the trade quarter before he recovers *opens portal and runs through*Professor: We'll meet again freak *jumps through portal**Cut scene montage regarding the Order/Squirrel battle in swamp*

 

[infernox3470]

The thing that pissed me off about this fight is I got all hyped up, took a bunch of potions for the fight etc and kick total ass and then the fight ends after like a minute of slashing.It's like 'EPIC WASTE OF MAH POTIONS".

 

[dada257]

The thing that pissed me off about this fight is I got all hyped up, took a bunch of potions for the fight etc and kick total ass and then the fight ends after like a minute of slashing.It's like 'EPIC WASTE OF MAH POTIONS".

LOL Me too. That was exactly my reaction as well.

 

[belgorod]

Well, I appreciate all the replies and the explainations. Fact is, I had a terrible fight and was loosing bad... I was missing my strike cues, fumbling around alot and at the end, got cornered against the tower and stunned bad... couldn't even strike back... which is why it seemed so wrong when, at the end, he bitched about almost getting killed. This is why I'm not a big fan of so many cut scenes and predetermined outcomes. In essence, you could just stand there and wait for the cut scene without moving a muscle and have the same outcome. I just don't like that kind of game play. But, my gripe is not an overly passionate one at any rate... the game is still very good and polished.

 

[belgorod]

UPDATE:I just re-did the fight and didn't fight at all... just stood there. Outcome: I was killed (after endless blows) and needed to reload. I'm pleased to see that. I was wrong about the predetermined outcome. I guess I did put a good licking on them the first time after all.Okay, all is right in the game world... on to Vizima.

 

[Corylea.723]

Having just finished Chapter 2, let me enlighten everyone.The bomb used was made from something like Zerrkanian scorpians and was decleared (by Azar from memory) to be powerful enough to kill even a mutant (ie. Geralt).

Scorpions? What? What language are you playing in? I just finished Chapter 2, too, and there's no mention of scorpions in my version. And the Professor in my version is clearly planning to see Geralt again.

The Professors parting words were to "say hello to your friend" (I assume this is a reference to Berenger who is dead, and is obviously a reference to the fact that Geralt will soon see him in Hell)

Um, no, he's not talking about Berengar. I don't want to say anything more than that.

 

[serdinq]

First time I played this fight I lost and die, no it didn't take a lot of time in fact it's been fast because of spells. But ok I lost the fight manly because I panic a little. ;DThe second time I win and also felt it a little weird. The explanations put here are probably right and I understood it like that, but the scenery isn't well implemented.

 

[kayann]

@CORYLEAMy memory is better than most, but because I am a nice guy I went and played the fight again for the third and even a fourth time. Thanks to FRAPS I have the exact wording for you.The following is all the dialogue from the end of the fight with the Ifrit through to the start of the commentary about events in the swamp:(professor arrives through a portal)Professor: "I come at your command, master. I listen and obey, as a genie would."Azar: "Professor, cut the crap and get him!"Professor: "You see, witcher? Too much water around for Azar to feel comfortable. Fire mages... limited. He needs me to do the wet work."Geralt: "Good. Two worms with one stone."(you fight azar and the professor until the next cutscene where the professor throws down a bomb causing geralt to collapse)Professor: "Admirable fight, but duty calls us to the Trade Quarter. Contrary to popular opinion, chaos and terror do not spread on their own."Azar: "The venom of Zerrikanian scorpians - lethal even to mutants."Professor: "Mistakes, witcher - they can be deadly. Give my greetings to that young companion of yours. And now, have a nice time dying."(commentary begins on battle in swamp)I am playing The Witcher v1.4, with the English langauge pack.Yes, scorpians. No, not planning on meeting again. And I now realise he was refering to Leo, who he killed earlier. Which reinforces what I said in my first post.Two options:1) Wires are crossed somewhere and we are talking about a different fight. Shouldn't think so though, there is only one fight with Azar and/or the Professor in Chapter II that I know of.or,2) There IS some minor varience in these events under different circumstances (ie. perhaps depending on choices made before). So the conversations at the end of your fight are turning out different than mine.And please don't say anything that will give anything away - I'm thoroughly enjoying myself so far and don't want to spoil anything. This is one of the best games I think I've ever played and I probably shouldn't be wasting my time on these forums when I could be playing! ;D (reality calls though, i do have to do homework and the wife gets upset if I'm still playing at 1:30am!)

 

[Corylea.723]

@CORYLEAMy memory is better than most, but because I am a nice guy I went and played the fight again for the third and even a fourth time. Thanks to FRAPS I have the exact wording for you.

That's so sweet of you, Kayann -- thank you!I think it's partly Option 2 and partly Option 3: I'm hard of hearing, especially with any sort of background noise, and during the fight I could hear the Professor pretty well, but I missed some of what Azar said. I'm very glad to know exactly what they're saying at least part of the time -- thank you so much!There does have to be some variation, though, because I know I heard "Quick, let's escape before he recovers," and that's not in your transcript.

Spoiler

I did the fight after discovering during the autopsy that the man had been killed by Zericanian tse tse flies, applied in fisstech. Since Shani got the fisstech from Raymond, that meant that the real Raymond was dead, and Azar Javed was masquerading as him, using an illusion spell. Geralt told Raymond/Javed that he spilled acid on the corpse and didn't learn anything from the autopsy. Raymond told him to kill Ramsmeat, and Geralt went to Ramsmeat and told him to stay out of sight for a couple of days. I'm guessing that you got to the tower via a different route than that.

I'm glad you're enjoying the game so much. I adore this game and am awed at what the developers have managed to accomplish.Happy Witching!

 

[lycos]

Not option 1 - this a is the fight just outside the swamp tower. At the end of ACT 2.Not option 3 - I had save point just before the big fight and checked it just now. "My" wording is pretty much right for me (both on subtitles and audio)Probably option 2 - I suspect how one deals with the Raymond situatition at a guess.

 

[lovely_psycho]

The thing that pissed me off about this fight is I got all hyped up, took a bunch of potions for the fight etc and kick total ass and then the fight ends after like a minute of slashing.It's like 'EPIC WASTE OF MAH POTIONS".

LOL there's something highly amusing about lolcat-speak being employed to describe something from The Witcher I somewhat accidentally Axii'd the Professor. I think I'd just learned that sign, but whatever the reason, I had that sign selected instead of Aard. I was looking forward to the Professor/Javed fight... I just wanted to play with them :evil: Instead, I Axii'd when I should have Aard'd, and the Professor started fighting Javed. That in itself wasn't so bad - it was kind of amusing - but because of where we were when I fired the sign (up the slope, closest to the tower, in the corner) the Professor cornered Javed and I barely got a look-in Javed had his back to the wall of flames, and the area narrowed, so old fat-arse Professor was mostly blocking my way. Cheers, dude : Geralt managed to elbow his way through and get a good couple of combos going, but then the fight ended.I was all psyched up, only to be thwarted by the Professor. What a tool And if you count the bomb, then the bugger thwarted me twice! Oh, it was on then, lemme tell you! :evil:Kayann - that's an interesting transcript, thanks for that Very cool

 

[Maerd.298]

Hmmm... interesting. I can say that the dialog seen by Kayann is very different from what I've heard (UK English). Professor clearly complained that Javed almost got him killed and told to the witcher that he'll see him again. I just played that part. Thus, it makes really dumb that the sweet couple didn't finish Geralt after stunning him with the bomb and rather left.

 

[Corylea.723]

Hmmm... interesting. I can say that the dialog seen by Kayann is very different from what I've heard (UK English). Professor clearly complained that Javed almost got him killed and told to the witcher that he'll see him again. I just played that part. Thus, it makes really dumb that the sweet couple didn't finish Geralt after stunning him with the bomb and rather left.

I'm pretty sure there is more than one dialogue, depending on what you do with Raymond.

 

[kayann]

I'm pretty sure there is more than one dialogue, depending on what you do with Raymond.

Having had a quick scan of your 'spoiler' I can safely say that i took a slightly different part. I never got to the graveyard (which pisses me off slightly as that quest become uncompletale without telling me i'd failed it until chapter 3...) as I took a different route, so things worked out different with ramsmeat. I am glad to hear there was a slightly different end there based on your choices. I am guessing I got an end more suited to a more ignorant Geralt. Your path sounded like Geralt was more clued up.I play with subtitles on. Not sure why, that's the default I guess? so it made it easier to take a series of screenshots and then just copy the subtitles.

 

[Corylea.723]

Your path sounded like Geralt was more clued up.

Yep.

Spoiler

If you want a clued-in Geralt, you need to buy the book on Zerricanian insects from the Antiquarian and/or (not sure if it's "and" or "or") talk to the Gardener about his mercenary days before the autopsy.Then, when doing the autopsy, you'll get several possible questions you can ask Shani and several possible responses you can give to what she says. Depending on what you say to her, you can conclude that Ramsmeat's men killed the guy, that Kalkstein poisoned the guy, or that Zerricanian tse tse flies ate the guy's brain. In the latter case, the eggs got into the man through some fisstech, which Shani gave him as a painkiller. Where'd she get the fisstech? From Raymond. Who do we know who's from Zerricania? Javed. Would Raymond work for Javed? No -- Javed killed Raymond's family. So Raymond must BE Javed.I think the developers did an amazing job with the autopsy quest, because the true answer is convoluted and interesting (and gross, though that's not a recommendation ), and the alternatives -- that Kalkstein poisoned the man or that Ramsmeat's boys killed him -- are reasonably well supported, but far less convoluted, so it's much easier to arrive at those (false) conclusions and thus be surprised at the Tower.