admitting something for the better

[dkxs]

admitting something for the better

okay!!!! ill admit something... i am from pakistan.... its nearly impossible to get ORignal games here.. being owner of a fairly decent pc and a xbox360.. ill admit only orignal games i bought myself were Gears of war 2 and World of warcraft...even those i bought when i was studing in australia... i dont like to download pirated games...or to buy them from the local stores here... but we honestly dont have a option...online orders dont work here as Custom officers tend to steal all this stuff... i placed a order for Star craft 2 and it has been delivered but i nver got it..cuz the customs here in pakistan stole it..or something like that...now if i go down to the local store...they have pirated copies of nearly every game avilable.... a PC dvd costs 100 rupees... a 360 dvd costs 140 rupees... NOTE 1 us Dollar is 85 Pakistani Rupees.... means i am buying gams that worth 40-50 dollars for just 1 dollar.... same happened with crysis... i can even play it online... the reason i am posting this topic is that in pakistan we have a huge number of people who play videogames.... and we always think that... if they make the orignal cheap.... they can earn alot more money ( the developer)as u can imagine...a 50 dollar game is like 4350 rupees... thats the amount of money most teenagers here get for pocketmoney...so they cant just buy 1 game in the whole month.....what i am proposing is that.... look pakistan has a population of 180 Million (yeah thats alot i know).... and out of these atleast 5-10 million are hardcore gamers.... but we cant bring our talents to mainstream cuz we all play pirated games...on pirated servers.... but i am really tired of that.... i want the developers to get what they deserver... its better to sell 5 million orignal copies for 1 dollar than 10-15 copies for 50 bucks... ( thats true.... i belong to a fairly rich family....and all my friends here aswell... we have hardly ever considered buying orignal... and i have never meet anyone who has bought any orignal game other than world of warcraft)....what i am demanding is that please make the games cheaper.... think about countries like mine... India,Pakistan,Bangladesh, etc... these r higly populated contries..and we really need orignal games now... i hope some1 important reads and conveys my message.....Regards True gamer with very few resourcesFrom Pakistan

 

[freakie1one]

Your points are sort of contradicting. You are saying you think TW2 has low recommended requirements (in the other thread you started) and now you are saying you think that the game costs too much? If someone can't afford $50 for a game then how do you imagine they can afford $2000 for a high-end PC that can run a game with high system requirements?Also, you say the local stores only carry pirated versions of games so what does it matter if they charge $50 for a game when your local shops only carry pirated versions? Lowering the price of the retail version would have no change in Pakistan if the local stores only sell pirated versions...

 

[edk]

It is kind of funny. The witcher 2 in Bulgaria is more expensive than in the USA. The minimal wage here is about 120 Euro, so if the game is worth 40 euro that means it is 33% of the minimal wage. In other words, if the game costs 33% of them minimal wage in the USA that would be about 400$. Would you expect ANYONE to buy a game at that price? Hardly. Not to mention that the game isn't even subtitled in my language, so the publisher doesn't even care. I will buy the game if I can afford it. I hope you do the same DKXS if you really don't have that kind of money, well, pirate away. But it is kind of disrespecting if you spend a lot of money on you PC, a lot of money for entertainment etc and you pirate the game while being able to afford it.

 

[dkxs]

the answer to that is preety simple... as i said 50 bucks in rupee is a healthy sum of money... and only 1 in 1000 can afford to buy games at that price...the store owners cant sell games which no1 will buy cuz of high price... so they just sell pirated games.... Y would some1 sell pirated games if orignal ones cost the same amount?as for PC.... hardware is avilable here... and its not very expensive...but the general population who play PC games here belong to rich famlies... we dont have concept of living in with girlfriends wotsoever... joint family system is still preety much in play here.... so a guy still has to ask his dad to buy him stuff.... i am using a Radion HD6850...thats because i work.... as Part time work is not a option here...Students...mostly teenagers dont have enough to buy fairly high end systems. but their parents etc still buy them that...2ndly 2nd hand hardware is extremly cheap... i just sold my HD3870 512mb for around 2000 rupees..thats less than 25 dollars... I am one of the few here who belongs to a well off family.... and i happened to have had my Degree From Deakin Uni Australia... so i know what i am talking about here.... and i really dont want my country people to fall behind..despite having so much talent...but no Resources to back them up... i had recently visited a COD MW2 tournament here...which was being played on pirated versions of the game..

 

[edk]

DKXS, let me tell you something.Is the game localized in your contru? No. If it is not localized AND hard to get, then you can easily see trhat the publisher does't have very high expectations about the sales in Pakistan. If you don't have the money and pirate the game no one will notice. The Witcher 2 has extremely high ambitions and the game will probably sell 2 million+ copies. Threads like this are pointless. So with this thread you are doing nothing more than to give the Pakistani gamers a bad name and rationalize your actions. Just stop it. There is no need to justify yourself. But I agree about the part where you ask to make the games cheaper. In Russia you can buy games online cheaply. In my country the witcher 2 costs like 1/3 (33%) of the minimal wage and it is still not one of the most expensive games. The game is MORE EXPENSIVE here than in the USA. The lack of interest from the publishers is a little insulting

 

[ratiasu220]

There's no chance to reduce the original game's prize to a 1 dollar..In finland one couldn't even get a litre of milk with 1 dollar. 50$ pokcet money for teenagers? I would be so happy, but my pokcet money is 14$ a month if I do a little housework to gain it. Isn't one game per month pretty much enough?

 

[dkxs]

There's no chance to reduce the original game's prize to a 1 dollar..In finland one couldn't even get a litre of milk with 1 dollar. 50$ pokcet money for teenagers? I would be so happy, but my pokcet money is 14$ a month if I do a little housework to gain it. Isn't one game per month pretty much enough?

well.. will u spend your entire pocket money for a game which u finish over 1 weekend?? ...

 

[ratiasu220]

Absolutely. Actually I need to update my system to meet the requirements so it's not only a pocket money or two which I'm going to spent. But yeah I've got used to it that everything here costs hell lot.And TW2 is the expection in which I can put more money since I loved the first one and will play the second way more than a one week.

 

[dkxs]

Absolutely. Actually I need to update my system to meet the requirements so it's not only a pocket money or two which I'm going to spent. But yeah I've got used to it that everything here costs hell lot.And TW2 is the expection in which I can put more money since I loved the first one and will play the second way more than a one week.

well 3 games i am going to buy this year.. i mean the orignal ones areTW2, Elder scrolls V... and Diablo III but who knows when diablo mite come out.However the main problem is...how to buy them...atleast u get orignal games...here thats not a option...we only get orignal games if some1 we know happens to live in another country and he can bring it along with him... but i thought finland was better than my country..dont get me wrong i mean in terms of expenses... but i wouldnt blame u as piracy isnt allowed there whereas here its legal...or i guess noone is bothered by it.

 

[ferryman10.490]

Well the are few problems with lowering the price for your country:1) The box costs more than 1$, so CDPR would make loss. It's stupid to distribute something that is not profitable for you.2) If there was original for for such a low price, sellers from richer countries can import them and sell them at original price of 50$ , but CDPR still gets just the 1$. Edit: I just realized that CDPR actually don't distribute the game but Namco Bandai and Atari. So they probably don't have any control over the distribution.

 

[username_2085413]

I think the developers at CD Projekt know what you are talking about. A lot of people in Poland are in a similar position and can't afford a $50 game. I am from Krakow and when I was there a few years ago, my cousin took me to an electronics market where I could buy any pirated PC game for about $3. And we have laws against piracy. You would just go up to a merchant, he would give you a list of available games. You picked a game and he would call his buddy sitting in a car down the road with all the games and he would meet you outside the market with your stuff. The cops were there and they couldn't do anything about it. It's a different sort of piracy though. People don't pirate becuase they don't want to pay the full price. It's because they can't afford the full price. Is it right to pirate just because you cant afford a game. No, but I get it.

 

[cinarea]

well, the answer is simple.if the game have been made in Pakistan, and costs of its making would be 50 times less than they are, the game would probably cost 50 times less.find CPRed a bunch of 80 Pakistani superb 2d/3d graphics, programmers, who would work for few times less money than actual CDPRed team, and maybe the Witcher 3 will be few times cheaper.

 

[username_2090832]

I think you may have a bit of a strange sense of what $50 means in America etc. It's by no means cheap. Perhaps more cheap than the Pakistani equivalent, but not like, pocket change. Most teenagers who are getting an allowance, they'd have to spend a whole month's allowance on a game like this, just like you, unless they were from a very wealthy family. In any case, what the others have said is correct, if they lowered the price by too much, they'd be selling at a loss. We're not just talking packaging, either, the price of the game includes all of CDProjekt's employee wages during the production of the game, the cost of any new hardware/software they had to purchase for the production of the game, the cost of leasing their work space, etc. and some seed money for 3, it's not JUST the physical media you're paying for, which is why games are expensive. They probably technically could reduce the price and still make money, but not by a whole lot. In this case, the pirated copies would actually save them more money than putting out a game as cheaply as you propose. And the mention of black market copies mentioned above is also a big concern, which is, I'm sure, a large part of the reason for game prices which seem exorbitant in some places.... no, I don't think it's exactly fair to these countries, but also can see the reasons.

 

[Aromar]

okay!!!! ill admit something... i am from pakistan.... its nearly impossible to get ORignal games here.. being owner of a fairly decent pc and a xbox360.. ill admit only orignal games i bought myself were Gears of war 2 and World of warcraft...even those i bought when i was studing in australia... i dont like to download pirated games...or to buy them from the local stores here... but we honestly dont have a option...online orders dont work here as Custom officers tend to steal all this stuff... i placed a order for Star craft 2 and it has been delivered but i nver got it..cuz the customs here in pakistan stole it..or something like that...

The only way out for the above mentioned problem is to get the game as a digital edition. You would still get some of the goodies, except those which can't be produced physically, such as coins, etc. This way you will get the game and support the well deserved developers.

its better to sell 5 million orignal copies for 1 dollar than 10-15 copies for 50 bucks...

It is unconcievable impossible to have a such a reduction in price with all the costs involved with the physical editions. The only exception yet again it might be with the digital version, however still i doubt it would ever materialise.