So I made a comment on a YT video recently that got 2k likes but turned into a debate in my replies. I want to propose this question in here to see how thorough it gets in the actual CDPR forums. Would be AMAZING if anyone from CDPR would actually answer this with a FOR SURE yes or no. I posted in my replies to them in game scenes/moments/dialogue as my evidence. Most of their replies seemed to be hypothesis or what they THINK is true. I asked all of them to provide anything from the game, comics, red streams, readables, ANYTHING as actual evidence to support their claims and so far none. TBH, I would like to be proven wrong on this but it seems to be an opinion vs opinion impasse but only I was pointing out actual in game evidence to support my claim.
Overall. My initial scene was the Smasher fight (any of them), just before V has to force open the door Smasher bashes through, Johnny yells "Alt... you here?". That was my 1st piece of evidence, I was saying "bro, she can't hear YOU and you KNOW that." Most ppl liked/laugh reacted to it, but then I get replies of "Alt and Johnny can talk to each other". Okay..... then WHY did he yell that at all? Alt is now an AI right, Johnny as a construct technically kind of is too. One person explained that they are both in reality ones and zeros, and as such can communicate with each other. I pointed out that Johnny is kind of a part of V but just as pointed out in PL Johnny can only see and hear what V sees and hears in the real world (first meeting Reed scene), it makes just as much sense Johnny is not simply 'always connected' to Alt after initial breach because he is also ones and zeros. To breach the Blackwall in the first place REQUIRED A HUMAN NETRUNNER to do so. Johnny came along for the ride on that and chimed in with conversation points. We entered cyberspace a 2nd time to ask Alt for help with Mikoshi so she could give us a copy of her to put on the chip we put into the Mainframe in the Arasaka Tower sub level. So Alt takes over the building and everything and is talking to V through the building speakers. She may be a copy in the building, but we could assume "actual Alt" and now in the building Alt are one in the same. So IF Johnny and Alt can talk, again, WHY would he yell "Alt... you here?" either way???
Second point I noted I had to research myself because I could not get the people saying they can talk to give me actual evidence to their claim. In the initial breach, Alt says "This is a BBS address. It will be our secure communication channel." No official further explanation of this so me and anyone else claiming something are all hypothesizing at this juncture (unless someone provides evidence I overlooked or just forgot - it's a massive game, I don't have everything memorized, lol). To me, this was Alt saying "you do not need to breach the blackwall to speak with me again. This is an 'IP' address where you can "log into" cyberspace and contact me" which was proven by the SECOND TIME we communicate with Alt by going to ask her for help with Mikoshi. You guys can likely explain once Blackwall was breached initially this 'released' her or wtvr, it seems others felt this way. They were thinking that since she is now "free" or wtvr this is the reason her and Johnny can talk the rest of the time. I still firmly disagree with that from this 2nd point of in game evidence. When V and Johnny go in to cyberspace at that BBS address she gave them Johnny takes point in the conversation with Alt. IMO the obvious tone in Johnny's voice, this moment is somber and he has an almost nervous tone. The way the game paints this scene is as if this is Johnny's FIRST time talking to her and he wants to have a bit of closure, to sort of apologize for what happened back in 2023. IRL or in game, NO ONE, even Johnny, would have a closure type of conversation with someone with someone else present (V is aware of all of this interaction)..... no one would do that conversation with someone else around IF they could do it privately. To me, that feels like further proof Alt and Johnny CANNOT talk to each other independently of V.
Last part I would conclude this with my own hypothesis but based on evidence as the character Johnny as been presented to us. He is a yapper, the dude TALKS...... I feel that CDPR, if it is true that Alt and Johnny can talk ever since first contact with Alt, that there would be several moments of proof. Johnny telling V at different times "me and Alt were talking and we agree you should bla bla before it's too late" or "Alt and I were talking and we think cars in 2077 should be cooler than they are". Anything along those lines. The entire 2nd interaction with Alt, to me, screams that that is the SECOND time she was spoken to at all by V or Johnny.
This link (not my video, so I'm not promoting anything) is the 1st time breaching blackwall and talking to Alt. At 5:06 is the talk of the BBS address.
This link (again, not my video so no promotion) is when V goes to netrunner Nix to go to cyberspace to that BBS address to have Johnny ask her for help with Mikoshi. This scene (as I said above) as it's played out screams that they have NOT been talking ever since first contact with Alt.
Sorry this is long but I really did not expect it to be a debate, but some people out there likely remember something that I do not. I may be doing playthrough 9 in prep for 2.3, I LOVE this game and know a lot, but I'm positive there are people out there that know more than me. I'm down to be proven wrong on this, but I want to see if anyone here can provide actual evidence to prove their claim. ANYTHING: a line of dialogue from Edgerunners, the playing cards for CP, a RED stream where they said something proving it, a mission/gig where Johnny straight up says "alt and I can talk now and we do ever since first contact".
People mentioned "if So Mi can, then Johnny and Alt can". My response to that is So Mi is a real person and best netrunner alive which was why she worked for POTUS and when she hacked the relic was why Johnny and her could see each other and V and Johnny FREAKED OUT that she could do that. That was basically advanced netrunning. I digress, if Johnny and Alt can talk, please prove me wrong
Overall. My initial scene was the Smasher fight (any of them), just before V has to force open the door Smasher bashes through, Johnny yells "Alt... you here?". That was my 1st piece of evidence, I was saying "bro, she can't hear YOU and you KNOW that." Most ppl liked/laugh reacted to it, but then I get replies of "Alt and Johnny can talk to each other". Okay..... then WHY did he yell that at all? Alt is now an AI right, Johnny as a construct technically kind of is too. One person explained that they are both in reality ones and zeros, and as such can communicate with each other. I pointed out that Johnny is kind of a part of V but just as pointed out in PL Johnny can only see and hear what V sees and hears in the real world (first meeting Reed scene), it makes just as much sense Johnny is not simply 'always connected' to Alt after initial breach because he is also ones and zeros. To breach the Blackwall in the first place REQUIRED A HUMAN NETRUNNER to do so. Johnny came along for the ride on that and chimed in with conversation points. We entered cyberspace a 2nd time to ask Alt for help with Mikoshi so she could give us a copy of her to put on the chip we put into the Mainframe in the Arasaka Tower sub level. So Alt takes over the building and everything and is talking to V through the building speakers. She may be a copy in the building, but we could assume "actual Alt" and now in the building Alt are one in the same. So IF Johnny and Alt can talk, again, WHY would he yell "Alt... you here?" either way???
Second point I noted I had to research myself because I could not get the people saying they can talk to give me actual evidence to their claim. In the initial breach, Alt says "This is a BBS address. It will be our secure communication channel." No official further explanation of this so me and anyone else claiming something are all hypothesizing at this juncture (unless someone provides evidence I overlooked or just forgot - it's a massive game, I don't have everything memorized, lol). To me, this was Alt saying "you do not need to breach the blackwall to speak with me again. This is an 'IP' address where you can "log into" cyberspace and contact me" which was proven by the SECOND TIME we communicate with Alt by going to ask her for help with Mikoshi. You guys can likely explain once Blackwall was breached initially this 'released' her or wtvr, it seems others felt this way. They were thinking that since she is now "free" or wtvr this is the reason her and Johnny can talk the rest of the time. I still firmly disagree with that from this 2nd point of in game evidence. When V and Johnny go in to cyberspace at that BBS address she gave them Johnny takes point in the conversation with Alt. IMO the obvious tone in Johnny's voice, this moment is somber and he has an almost nervous tone. The way the game paints this scene is as if this is Johnny's FIRST time talking to her and he wants to have a bit of closure, to sort of apologize for what happened back in 2023. IRL or in game, NO ONE, even Johnny, would have a closure type of conversation with someone with someone else present (V is aware of all of this interaction)..... no one would do that conversation with someone else around IF they could do it privately. To me, that feels like further proof Alt and Johnny CANNOT talk to each other independently of V.
Last part I would conclude this with my own hypothesis but based on evidence as the character Johnny as been presented to us. He is a yapper, the dude TALKS...... I feel that CDPR, if it is true that Alt and Johnny can talk ever since first contact with Alt, that there would be several moments of proof. Johnny telling V at different times "me and Alt were talking and we agree you should bla bla before it's too late" or "Alt and I were talking and we think cars in 2077 should be cooler than they are". Anything along those lines. The entire 2nd interaction with Alt, to me, screams that that is the SECOND time she was spoken to at all by V or Johnny.
This link (not my video, so I'm not promoting anything) is the 1st time breaching blackwall and talking to Alt. At 5:06 is the talk of the BBS address.
This link (again, not my video so no promotion) is when V goes to netrunner Nix to go to cyberspace to that BBS address to have Johnny ask her for help with Mikoshi. This scene (as I said above) as it's played out screams that they have NOT been talking ever since first contact with Alt.
Sorry this is long but I really did not expect it to be a debate, but some people out there likely remember something that I do not. I may be doing playthrough 9 in prep for 2.3, I LOVE this game and know a lot, but I'm positive there are people out there that know more than me. I'm down to be proven wrong on this, but I want to see if anyone here can provide actual evidence to prove their claim. ANYTHING: a line of dialogue from Edgerunners, the playing cards for CP, a RED stream where they said something proving it, a mission/gig where Johnny straight up says "alt and I can talk now and we do ever since first contact".
People mentioned "if So Mi can, then Johnny and Alt can". My response to that is So Mi is a real person and best netrunner alive which was why she worked for POTUS and when she hacked the relic was why Johnny and her could see each other and V and Johnny FREAKED OUT that she could do that. That was basically advanced netrunning. I digress, if Johnny and Alt can talk, please prove me wrong
