Alzur - New Card

DRK3 · Nov 17, 2020

So, we got a patch with a single card - Alzur.
(Trivia: if im not mistaken, the only other time we got a single card, outside of an expansion was Hemdall, released on a patch at the end of 2018)

I know there's discussion of this card on other different threads, but since those are also being used to discuss the new revealed cards, lets put the Alzur strategies in here instead please.

This new card has so much meme potential, with even more RNG than Master MIrror, because that one at least only transformed cards into legendaries of the faction you're using, while Alzur it can be any unit, as long as its the same provision.

Here are the highest provision spells, that are great picks to combo with Alzur:

(13) Oneiromancy
(12) Scorch
(12) Renew
(12) Hanmarvin's Blue Dream
(11) Uma's Curse
(10) Raghnaarog
(9) Yen's Invocation
(9) Curse of Corruption

The Oneiromancy gives access to a simple tactic of tutoring another spell to use 2 "charges" of Alzur on a single turn.

The 10-12 provision spells have a corresponding unit cardpool that is too large to reliably get what you want, but there are only 5 units at 13 provision:
Speartip, Regis, Keltullis, Draug and Oak

Speartip is just pointslam and Regis is Neutral, but this allows easier access to certain factions to those cards.
And yes, i know these units are spawned and not played. That's why i said certain factions - SK and NG, which can put cards in their graveyard back into deck.
It will be interesting to see SK Draug (scary right?) or NG Keltullis in the near future...

Gimme_a_break · Nov 17, 2020

1st day and this card has already been abused to its limits. It should be restricted to <10 provision spells, similarly to the way Renew was nerfed, because the combo with Oneiromancy, that can pull another high provision spell, is a terrible imbalance. It's basically an 11p scenario with a little bit of randomness.
And I'm about to puke now, after playing 4 games in a row against the same Carapace netdeck (with Alzur, Keltulis, and 2 Ciris) that appeared today. Disgusting.

Six-Sided-Prism · Nov 18, 2020

Gimme_a_break said:
1st day and this card has already been abused to its limits. It should be restricted to <10 provision spells, similarly to the way Renew was nerfed, because the combo with Oneiromancy, that can pull another high provision spell, is a terrible imbalance. It's basically an 11p scenario with a little bit of randomness.
And I'm about to puke now, after playing 4 games in a row against the same Carapace netdeck (with Alzur, Keltulis, and 2 Ciris) that appeared today. Disgusting.

I would personally take it a step further and just have it trigger when a Bronze Spell card is played. They could even remove the "Counter: 3" since it would be a lot more balanced.

StanislavOZZO · Nov 18, 2020

IMO, Alzur should be provision 13-14 since it has immense potential.
Going under Defender and/or Shield it could be used to pull game changing creatures.

And adding to DRK3 thought, I don't think it's only suitable for meme decks. With minor adjustment it can be used in most decks and you will see a lot of Alzur in the next couple of weeks.

Gyg · Nov 18, 2020

Alzur is a RNG fiesta that I really dislike and one additional card that can win you the game if not countered. I like the idea to limit it to bronze cards. Other quick fix is to remove spell tag from Oneiromancy.

OuterSpaceDoggo · Nov 18, 2020

I think it's fine as it is. It can be locked, easily removed with damage and the meta is still the same frustrating control as ever which means 90% of the time it gets Heatwaved as soon as it hits the board.
Also it needs a lot of setup to really shine, even more than Gord.

RyseAurellius · Nov 18, 2020

Its a great card as is, I don't think it has much potential other than for memes. Its the center target for control at the moment and is usually dealt with pretty quickly.

Its fine, leave it alone. Set the meme free!!

OneWhoCravesSouls · Nov 18, 2020

I really don't think that he will ever be more than a Meme Card. Most of the high provision Spells apart from Oneiromancy and Yenn Invo aren't really that reliable that you would put them in to a competitive Deck in the hope that it high rolls in to something valuable.

The more reliable Spells in the current Meta Alzur's DC and Rockslide are drawing from a huge Card pool which makes it high likely you will get a complete brick (I did get a Vesemir from the Witcher trio once).

Especially if NG should rise again with the new expansion he will probably be almost unplayable apart from Meme Decks in casual.

Jamborinio · Nov 18, 2020

He requires more setup and specialisation than Gord. Take him out and his expensive spells are just that - expensive and very RNGish.

One thing maybe to try with him is Decoy, to refresh a Regis or other low roll value card.

sfruzz · Nov 18, 2020

OuterSpaceDoggo said:
I think it's fine as it is. It can be locked, easily removed with damage and the meta is still the same frustrating control as ever which means 90% of the time it gets Heatwaved as soon as it hits the board.

Great. So players that are not running a lot of removal are further punished by the addition of an RNG and greedy card.

While players that are running "unitless" deck, with Alzur's Thunder, Rockslide, Curse of corruption are rewarded with a big threat to put on the board.

OuterSpaceDoggo said:
Also it needs a lot of setup to really shine, even more than Gord.

Fun fact, you can run both Gord and Alzur. Both cards like spells...

Gyg · Nov 18, 2020

With Oneiromancy you don't need to have many spells, you will tutor the second one easily. Rockslide is widely used, Alzur's Thunder is also a good spell. As for countering Alzur, lock is really unreliable because of purify. Think about NR Shieldwall with Defender - Heatwave will be used to counter Donimir and shielded Alzur will very difficult to counter. My problem is the possible celling of the card - it can easily get you 20 points if not answered. One more card that reinforces the notion that control is king in Gwent.

Payus · Nov 18, 2020

Testing Alzur vs the Bot, got an awesome match, check the crazyness in the 2 rounds.
I love when Alzur Spawns himself when u use Uma's curse.
I R 2 my only original cards were Alzur and Master mirror, not even Totem was from my deck.

StanislavOZZO · Nov 18, 2020

Everybody's talking about high cost spells, like Oneiro-Renew to get 2 expensive cards in one turn. It may work, however, you can get unlucky and spawn Regis...

I think Alzur will be great value and less risky with 7-9 provision cards from which you actually have a good chance to put something useful.

Markus_Wirth · Nov 18, 2020

I did some Excel analysis regarding average value of spawned unit for spells between 9 and 13

Spell 13: Average value 7,4

Spawned card with Provision Spell 13	body	Order/additional ability value	Overall value
Speartip	12		12
Keltulilis	9		9
Great Oak	7		7
Draug	7		7
Regis	2		2
			7,4

Spell 12: Average value 6

Spawned card with Provision Spell 12	body	Order/additional ability value	Overall value	Comment
War Elefant	8	3	11	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Pest Maid	7	2	9	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Munro Bruys	6		6
Jacques	6		6
Viraxas	6		6
Usurper	6		6
Eithne	6		6
Auberon	5		5
Harald	5		5
Dandelion	4		4
Roche	4		4
Sigi	4		4
Vernon	3		3
Syanna	3	6	9	Value dependent whether you have strong deploy on your hand
			6

Spell 11: Average value 5,6956

Spawned card with Provision Spell 11	body	Order/additional ability value	Overall value	Comment
Living Armour	11		11
Falibor	7		7
Zoltan Warrior	11		11
Alzur	6	5	11	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Triss Butterfly	5		5
Saskia	5		5
Saenthiss	5	6	11	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Damien	5	6	11	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs (should play Alzur on Meleee if Spell with 11 is on hand)
Kikimora Queen	5	2	7	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Forest Protector	5		5
Cerys	4		4
Phenix	4	5	9	Average value dependents on whether sumonned in round 1, 2 or 3
Ruehin	4	2	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Triss Telekinese	4		4
Wild Boar of Sea	3		3
Vattier de Reaux	3	2	5	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Geralt Profi	3		3
Ulrich	3		3
Brathens	3		3
Yennefer	2		2
Aguara	2		2
Geralt Yrden	2		2
Avalach	1		1
			5,69565217

Spell 10: Average value 5

Spawned card with Provision Spell 10	body	Order/additional ability value	Overall value	Comment
Yghern	0		0	destroyed if spawned
Dáo	9		9
Olaf	8	2	10	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Bloody Baron	6	4	10	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Lambert	6		6
Barnabas	6		6
Igor	6	1	7	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Ciri: Sprint	5	5	10	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Yennefer: witcher	5	5	10	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Gaunter o Dim	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Ithlinne	5		5
Stefan Skellen	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
German Piquant	5		5
Letho	5		5
Dandelion	5		5
Detlaff	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Helveed	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Geralt Axi	5		5
Iris	5		5
Dracoturtle	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Maraal	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Eredin	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Tyrggvi	5		5
Ciri	4	1,5	5,5	Average value dependent whether you want loose round x or not
Regis	4	6	10	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Zoltan	4		4
Avallach	4		4
Colossal Ifrit	4	6	10	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Enraged Ifrit	4		4
Zoltan Chivay	4	2	6	For Robustness
Aglais	4		4
Kambi	4		4
Joachim de Wett	4		4
Vesemir Ventor	4		4
Ihuarraquax	4		4
Lippy Gudmund	4		4
Dagur	4	3	7	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Regis Bloodthirst	4		4
Prince Anseis	4	5	9	Provision -1 due to Formation
Bincy	4	1	5	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Gascon	4		4
Betsy One Eye	4		4
Ramon	4		4
Crow Mother	4	1	5	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Allgod	4		4
Geral of Riva	3		3
Geralt Aard	3		3
Roach	3		3
Carlo Varese	3		3
Hjalmar	3		3
Leo Bonhart	3		3
Angloume	3		3
Queen Adalia	3		3
Philippa Eilhart	3		3
Vincent	3		3
Geralt Igni	2		2
Imlerith	2		2
Vivienne	1		1
			5,06034483

Spell 9: Average value 5,8968

Spawned card with Provision Spell 9	body	Order/additional ability value	Overall value	Comment
Tibor Eggebracht	13		13
Speartip Sleep	9		9
Saesenthessis	8	1	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs

Ciri Nova	8		8
Pedell	7	2	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Aguara	7		7
Olgierd	7	2	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Cave troll	7	2	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Convenant of Steel	7	2	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Katakan	6	1	7	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Eleyas	6		6
Eskel	6	1,5	7,5	Dependent on Melee or Ranged
Donimir of Troy	7	2	5	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Figgis Merluzzo	5	2	7
Glustysworp	6		6
Reynard Odo	6	1	7	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Madame Luiza	6	1	7	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Majoran	6	3	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Sukrus	6	3	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Savolla	6		6
Matta Huuri	6		6
Master Mirror	6	3	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Shani	5	3	8	Minus 1 due to missing Formation
Keira Metz	5		5
Priscilla	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Yarpen Zigrin	5		5
Cahir Dyffryn	5	2	7	Dependent on Melee or Ranged
Vilgefortz	5		5
Xarthissius	5		5
Shirlard Fitz Oersterlen	5		5
Stregobor	5		5
Seltkirk of Guleta	5	2	7	Dependent on Melee or Ranged
Ivo of Belhaven	5	2	7	Dependent on Melee or Ranged
Gabor Zigrin	5		5
Artis	5		5
Vildkaarl	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Imke	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Sausage Maker	5		5
Azar Javed	5		5
Affan Hillergrand	5		5
Ildiko	5	4	9	To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
King Belohun	5	1	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Nenneke	5	2	7	Dependent on Melee or Ranged
Caranthir	4		4
Miruna	4	1	5	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Milaen	4		4
Harald	4		4
Troll of Verden	4	2	6	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower, Melee or Ranged
Gregoire of Verden	4		4
Orianna	4		4	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower, Melee or Ranged
Protofleder	4		4
Moreelse	4		4
Walter Veritas	4		4
Triss Merigold	3		3
Iorweth	3		3
Shirru	3	2	5	Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower,
Yennefer	3		3
Vivienne de Tabris	3		3
Graden	3		3
Flying Redanien	3		3
Knickers	3		3
Ozzrell	1		1
Ffion	1	3	4	3 For the Defender
			5,8968254

So, one can assume that spells with higher provision costs, provide higher average spawned unit value.

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StanislavOZZO said:
Everybody's talking about high cost spells, like Oneiro-Renew to get 2 expensive cards in one turn. It may work, however, you can get unlucky and spawn Regis...

I think Alzur will be great value and less risky with 7-9 provision cards from which you actually have a good chance to put something relevant.

Maybe I have to expand my Excel analysis for those spells

Payus · Nov 18, 2020

Markus_Wirth said:
I did some Excel analysis regarding average value of spawned unit for spells between 10 and 13

Spell 13: Average value: 7,5

Spawned card with Provision Spell 13 body Order/additional ability value Overall value
Speartip
12
12
Keltulilis
9
9
Great Oak
7
7
Regis
2
2
7,5

Spell 12: Average value 6

Spawned card with Provision Spell 12 body Order/additional ability value Overall value Comment
War Elefant
8
3
11
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Pest Maid
7
2
9
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Munro Bruys
6
6
Jacques
6
6
Viraxas
6
6
Usurper
6
6
Eithne
6
6
Auberon
5
5
Harald
5
5
Dandelion
4
4
Roche
4
4
Sigi
4
4
Vernon
3
3
Syanna
3
6
9
Value dependent whether you have strong deploy on your hand
6

Spell 11: Average value 5,6956

Spawned card with Provision Spell 11 body Order/additional ability value Overall value Comment
Living Armour
11
11
Falibor
7
7
Zoltan Warrior
11
11
Alzur
6
5
11
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Triss Butterfly
5
5
Saskia
5
5
Saenthiss
5
6
11
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Damien
5
6
11
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs (should play Alzur on Meleee if Spell with 11 is on hand)
Kikimora Queen
5
2
7
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Forest Protector
5
5
Cerys
4
4
Phenix
4
5
9
Average value dependents on whether sumonned in round 1, 2 or 3
Ruehin
4
2
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Triss Telekinese
4
4
Wild Boar of Sea
3
3
Vattier de Reaux
3
2
5
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Geralt Profi
3
3
Ulrich
3
3
Brathens
3
3
Yennefer
2
2
Aguara
2
2
Geralt Yrden
2
2
Avalach
1
1
5,69565217

Spell 10: Average value 5

Spawned card with Provision Spell 10 body Order/additional ability value Overall value Comment
Yghern
0
0
destroyed if spawned
Dáo
9
9
Olaf
8
2
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Bloody Baron
6
4
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Lambert
6
6
Barnabas
6
6
Igor
6
1
7
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Ciri: Sprint
5
5
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Yennefer: witcher
5
5
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Gaunter o Dim
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Ithlinne
5
5
Stefan Skellen
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
German Piquant
5
5
Letho
5
5
Dandelion
5
5
Detlaff
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Helveed
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Geralt Axi
5
5
Iris
5
5
Dracoturtle
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Maraal
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Eredin
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Tyrggvi
5
5
Ciri
4
1,5
5,5
Average value dependent whether you want loose round x or not
Regis
4
6
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Zoltan
4
4
Avallach
4
4
Colossal Ifrit
4
6
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Enraged Ifrit
4
4
Zoltan Chivay
4
2
6
For Robustness
Aglais
4
4
Kambi
4
4
Joachim de Wett
4
4
Vesemir Ventor
4
4
Ihuarraquax
4
4
Lippy Gudmund
4
4
Dagur
4
3
7
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Regis Bloodthirst
4
4
Prince Anseis
4
5
9
Provision -1 due to Formation
Bincy
4
1
5
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Gascon
4
4
Betsy One Eye
4
4
Ramon
4
4
Crow Mother
4
1
5
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Allgod
4
4
Geral of Riva
3
3
Geralt Aard
3
3
Roach
3
3
Carlo Varese
3
3
Hjalmar
3
3
Leo Bonhart
3
3
Angloume
3
3
Queen Adalia
3
3
Philippa Eilhart
3
3
Vincent
3
3
Geralt Igni
2
2
Imlerith
2
2
Vivienne
1
1
5,06034483

So, one can assume that spells with higher provision costs, provide higher average spawned unit value.

Post automatically merged: Nov 18, 2020

Maybe I have to expand my Excel analysis for those spells

You forgot Draugh at 13p

StanislavOZZO · Nov 18, 2020

Markus_Wirth said:
I did some Excel analysis regarding average value of spawned unit for spells between 10 and 13

Spell 13: Average value: 7,5

Spawned card with Provision Spell 13 body Order/additional ability value Overall value
Speartip
12
12
Keltulilis
9
9
Great Oak
7
7
Regis
2
2
7,5

Spell 12: Average value 6

Spawned card with Provision Spell 12 body Order/additional ability value Overall value Comment
War Elefant
8
3
11
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Pest Maid
7
2
9
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Munro Bruys
6
6
Jacques
6
6
Viraxas
6
6
Usurper
6
6
Eithne
6
6
Auberon
5
5
Harald
5
5
Dandelion
4
4
Roche
4
4
Sigi
4
4
Vernon
3
3
Syanna
3
6
9
Value dependent whether you have strong deploy on your hand
6

Spell 11: Average value 5,6956

Spawned card with Provision Spell 11 body Order/additional ability value Overall value Comment
Living Armour
11
11
Falibor
7
7
Zoltan Warrior
11
11
Alzur
6
5
11
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Triss Butterfly
5
5
Saskia
5
5
Saenthiss
5
6
11
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Damien
5
6
11
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs (should play Alzur on Meleee if Spell with 11 is on hand)
Kikimora Queen
5
2
7
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Forest Protector
5
5
Cerys
4
4
Phenix
4
5
9
Average value dependents on whether sumonned in round 1, 2 or 3
Ruehin
4
2
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Triss Telekinese
4
4
Wild Boar of Sea
3
3
Vattier de Reaux
3
2
5
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Geralt Profi
3
3
Ulrich
3
3
Brathens
3
3
Yennefer
2
2
Aguara
2
2
Geralt Yrden
2
2
Avalach
1
1
5,69565217

Spell 10: Average value 5

Spawned card with Provision Spell 10 body Order/additional ability value Overall value Comment
Yghern
0
0
destroyed if spawned
Dáo
9
9
Olaf
8
2
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Bloody Baron
6
4
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Lambert
6
6
Barnabas
6
6
Igor
6
1
7
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Ciri: Sprint
5
5
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Yennefer: witcher
5
5
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Gaunter o Dim
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Ithlinne
5
5
Stefan Skellen
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
German Piquant
5
5
Letho
5
5
Dandelion
5
5
Detlaff
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Helveed
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Geralt Axi
5
5
Iris
5
5
Dracoturtle
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Maraal
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Eredin
5
1
6
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Tyrggvi
5
5
Ciri
4
1,5
5,5
Average value dependent whether you want loose round x or not
Regis
4
6
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Zoltan
4
4
Avallach
4
4
Colossal Ifrit
4
6
10
To my mind overall value should equal ist provision costs
Enraged Ifrit
4
4
Zoltan Chivay
4
2
6
For Robustness
Aglais
4
4
Kambi
4
4
Joachim de Wett
4
4
Vesemir Ventor
4
4
Ihuarraquax
4
4
Lippy Gudmund
4
4
Dagur
4
3
7
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Regis Bloodthirst
4
4
Prince Anseis
4
5
9
Provision -1 due to Formation
Bincy
4
1
5
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Gascon
4
4
Betsy One Eye
4
4
Ramon
4
4
Crow Mother
4
1
5
Average value dependent on your chose deck higher or lower
Allgod
4
4
Geral of Riva
3
3
Geralt Aard
3
3
Roach
3
3
Carlo Varese
3
3
Hjalmar
3
3
Leo Bonhart
3
3
Angloume
3
3
Queen Adalia
3
3
Philippa Eilhart
3
3
Vincent
3
3
Geralt Igni
2
2
Imlerith
2
2
Vivienne
1
1
5,06034483

So, one can assume that spells with higher provision costs, provide higher average spawned unit value.

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Maybe I have to expand my Excel analysis for those spells

I applaud your initiative, mate. I would just point out that when we are talking about resulting "value", we need to take into account the investment (initial provisions you spend). I would not be surprised if actual value is more with 7-9p spells than with 13p spells.

Markus_Wirth · Nov 18, 2020

Payus said:
You forgot Draugh at 13p

Thx updated it.

StanislavOZZO said:
I applaud your initiative, mate. I would just point out that when we are talking about resulting "value", we need to take into account the investment (initial provisions you spend). I would not be surprised if actual value is more with 7-9p spells than with 13p spells.

Yes, that´s also to be taken into account. I just added 9 provision and here the value is almost second highest

OuterSpaceDoggo · Nov 18, 2020

sfruzz said:
Great. So players that are not running a lot of removal are further punished by the addition of an RNG and greedy card.

While players that are running "unitless" deck, with Alzur's Thunder, Rockslide, Curse of corruption are rewarded with a big threat to put on the board.

Fun fact, you can run both Gord and Alzur. Both cards like spells...

You don't need a "lot of removal" to remove a 6 point card from the board. The entire assimilate archetype is based on rng, hell even cantarella is an rng "clown fiesta", yet I don't see anyone complaining.
Also, 90% of decks now run Heatwave or some removal, the ones who don't can usually smack so many points on the board that Alzur's presence on board won't be noticeable at all.
Gord + Alzur = 18 provision already, put oneiromancy and that's another 13. ( read: a lot )
Unitless decks as you say are annoying, but you know why? Because decks are running so many removals that you actually risk to brick against those kind of decks. Also, play defensively and wait for Alzur, then remove.
I find it a funny card that leads to crazy matches ( yes, anti-fun decks exist with Alzur but Alzur is not the problem in those decks ), people are experimenting a lot with dead cards ( spells ) and that's a breath of fresh air.

sfruzz · Nov 18, 2020

Markus_Wirth said:
I did some Excel analysis regarding average value of spawned unit for spells between 10 and 13

What I find concerning is not the average value, but its standard deviation.

You can spawn Yghern, which gets immediately destroyed, or a 9 point Dào. It's like Gascon. You get points by a random amounts between X and Y, up to 3 times.

OuterSpaceDoggo said:
You don't need a "lot of removal" to remove a 6 point card from the board.

Most player boost Alzur right away, or they give him shield, or they place a defender in front of him. For Example Donimir has shield and is a defender. You have to neutralize him in some way and then deal with Alzur which is most likely also well-protected with a shield.

6 point removal card will not do the trick.

OuterSpaceDoggo said:
even cantarella is an rng "clown fiesta", yet I don't see anyone complaining.

I don't like the card. Nor Shupe for that matter. Nor Wheel of Fortune. Or Gascon. And the Musicians of Blaviken.

bTrait · Nov 18, 2020

It is just another problematic card right now.
Alzur should be restricted to Alzur's thunder and / or Alzur's DC only e.g.:

- 2-3 points body for 11 provision creating double thunder (second thunder conditional***);
- 4-5 points body for 11 provision creating thunder and DC.

***e.g. - create second thunder if first one didn't destroy any unit (still very powerfull).

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