I was really bummed and upset with this decision made so I cancelled my PS4 CE about 24 hours ago.
Well,.....sorry to say it but Microsoft, you win....
I just preordered the Xbone CE from Gamestop. This is what I think I'll do. I'll get the CE, and then wait for the game to lower in price until about $20.00-$30.00 bucks and then I'll buy the PS4 standard release and swap it with the game in my CE.
The PS4 and Xbone cases are the same size now right? I ask as I'm OCD and don't want the game freely moving around in the box due to it being smaller. So unfortunately I'll be paying about $30.00 more on top of the CE price to get the full edition, but that's what I guess I'll do.
Unfortunately that will boost a sale in Microsoft's column when that's actually not the case.
Well,.....sorry to say it but Microsoft, you win....
I just preordered the Xbone CE from Gamestop. This is what I think I'll do. I'll get the CE, and then wait for the game to lower in price until about $20.00-$30.00 bucks and then I'll buy the PS4 standard release and swap it with the game in my CE.
The PS4 and Xbone cases are the same size now right? I ask as I'm OCD and don't want the game freely moving around in the box due to it being smaller. So unfortunately I'll be paying about $30.00 more on top of the CE price to get the full edition, but that's what I guess I'll do.
Unfortunately that will boost a sale in Microsoft's column when that's actually not the case.
Well if you sell the xbox version immediatly (just the standard edition of course) and wait for the ps4 version price cut you might even end up saving something. Of course this mean that you will have to wait before playing the game...
Why do people pre-order or buy this Collector's edition? Because they want those figurines and maps and all those other extra content and for a lot of people I know they did this because they thought CDPR deserved because of their ideals and standards.
This sucked on a lot of levels and I'm especially annoyed with the whole"Boohoo so you don't get a map and some cards, shut up" statement that they released and a lot of their apologists have been making.
I think what people don't seem to understand when they say that as long as in game content in the game is the same it shouldn't is that to the people who want those "Collector's Edition" those maps and cards are just as important and not having them makes that Collector's Edition a big fat lie because its not the full collection some people get to get the full collection, others that's too bad.
If any other company had done this I don't think anyone would bat and eye but CDPR have created a lot of expectations from us so its extremely jarring when this happens.
Ah well who knows maybe its the beginning of something more or maybe its a one time thing. I hope its a one time thing. I want to fully support you guys in your next game but if this becomes a common practice well M$ will pay you the money I would have spent to get the next CE for Cyberpunk I'll just get it cheap from steam and be content with the game.
This sucked on a lot of levels and I'm especially annoyed with the whole"Boohoo so you don't get a map and some cards, shut up" statement that they released and a lot of their apologists have been making.
I think what people don't seem to understand when they say that as long as in game content in the game is the same it shouldn't is that to the people who want those "Collector's Edition" those maps and cards are just as important and not having them makes that Collector's Edition a big fat lie because its not the full collection some people get to get the full collection, others that's too bad.
If any other company had done this I don't think anyone would bat and eye but CDPR have created a lot of expectations from us so its extremely jarring when this happens.
Ah well who knows maybe its the beginning of something more or maybe its a one time thing. I hope its a one time thing. I want to fully support you guys in your next game but if this becomes a common practice well M$ will pay you the money I would have spent to get the next CE for Cyberpunk I'll just get it cheap from steam and be content with the game.
I guess that could be possible huh? And I hate to wait to play the game but I'm a collector at heart and even with having to wait when I do actually play the game, I'll enjoy my experience more knowing I have all the great Witcher 3 goodies.
Question though: Does anybody know if the the game included in the CE is exactly the same as the standard release in that they both include everything inside of their game cases?
I am very disappointed. CDPR please listen up. I am the most loyal fan of this game and your franchise as it gets. I bought the physical copy of the very first game on DVD which was delivered with the little story book about the Striaga and the big map poster. Remember how it was only PC exclusive? This game was born on PC platform. You didnt stay true to your promises. You did wrong to your fans. You betrayed all of us PC gamers community. I have liked every single facebook, twitter, and youtube post of your official contents since day one. I have bought more electronic copies of witcher 1 and 2 more than anyone else I bet. I have gifted both games to all my friends and family on steam and have 5 extra copies in my library to give away and spread the word. The first rule of business is to make 1% of the money from alot of people than make a 100% off one company (Microsoft). I was going to pre order Witcher 3 CE for PC and spread the word to my friends after they get hooked on their gifts but how can I now? remember it wasnt about money for many of us. it is about honor and pride. Witcher 3 is the last of this installment so it appears that you betrayed all of us fans just to scrape off the last bit of nickle and dime here and there. I hope it was worth it for you and I hope PC community gets what they deserve. For now, I refuse to buy. For me it was about supporting the great job you guys were doing and not the money, but now, even though I might only be a single person, I shall stand by my point and and cast a solid message by not supporting.
I hereby call upon all PC gamers community. Is it really about the money for you? can you really not afford to buy this game twice? Im sure you can but can you really take pride supporting the team after such step back on their promises? They basically told us it was a move that had to be done to boost sales and if you dont like it, its your decision to buy or not to buy the game. the implications are that they are just after the money for the last time before they kill the series.
Please honorably voice your opinions and act accordingly. remember that Witcher was born and developed and optimized on and for PC at its birth. once you bend over for large corps such as Microsoft you will then remain slaves forever. recall what happened to watchdogs. the graphics parity is going to negatively affect the experience. once they change their promises again, they will roll out with another announcement saying, "It's whatever. we are sad, blah blah, ultimately its your decision because we have enough money now to not care or not to come up with solutions. and also that is besides the point that we are NOT even willing to consider a comeback move or satisfactory compromise".
I would have never put this much time and effort to express my inner thoughts about any game, so you know how betrayed I, as a loyal fan till half an hour ago, feel about such moves. Believe me you, this is just the beginning. they will take the money and bend over backwards for anyone who offers them it true commercialism.
Have a good day everyone.
I hereby call upon all PC gamers community. Is it really about the money for you? can you really not afford to buy this game twice? Im sure you can but can you really take pride supporting the team after such step back on their promises? They basically told us it was a move that had to be done to boost sales and if you dont like it, its your decision to buy or not to buy the game. the implications are that they are just after the money for the last time before they kill the series.
Please honorably voice your opinions and act accordingly. remember that Witcher was born and developed and optimized on and for PC at its birth. once you bend over for large corps such as Microsoft you will then remain slaves forever. recall what happened to watchdogs. the graphics parity is going to negatively affect the experience. once they change their promises again, they will roll out with another announcement saying, "It's whatever. we are sad, blah blah, ultimately its your decision because we have enough money now to not care or not to come up with solutions. and also that is besides the point that we are NOT even willing to consider a comeback move or satisfactory compromise".
I would have never put this much time and effort to express my inner thoughts about any game, so you know how betrayed I, as a loyal fan till half an hour ago, feel about such moves. Believe me you, this is just the beginning. they will take the money and bend over backwards for anyone who offers them it true commercialism.
Have a good day everyone.
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Ahh, i think you may not have purchased a copy of the witcher 2 collectors edition. The box weighed over a kilo, maybe 2, it came with a ceramic head bust (yes! like the pots at your garden center), a pack of cards, some very well made and detailed dice in a felt pouch (they're awesome, i love the dice poker still!), and all the premium packaging of the premium boxed edition. And i forgot to mention the two lots of paper toys and the hardback artbook. The outside box was thick and high quality also.
The witcher 3 collectors seems a bit sparse compared to witcher 2 to be honest.. the cards and the cloth map would have made it on par with the old one, or cd project is allowed to get worse and still be just as awesome as when they were better (as happens alot in games today). Hang on.. i bet they had the cards planned for all the ce's all along.
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Personaly, I am disapointed, but, I will wait until the game is out before I judge anything, I do remember that Witcher 2 had dlc exlusive to shops at the begning, even had a drm system, for me, it was normal, in that time, everyone did the same, what shoked me, was when CDPR offered the dlc for everyone, removed the drm, and even offered the enhenced edition for free, 10 giga of download totaly free, I never saw that, and that's when my interest and love for CDPR has grown, so, until the game is out, many things can happen, maybe they will offer other exlusive to the other CE, maybe there is other thing that might happen, or maybe they will understand their mistake and take it back or put it on every CE, I don't know, but I do know that they have made mistake in the past, and corrected it, and that's human, so for now, they still have my trust, and I will still believe in them.
As I already stated on the Facebook page of The Witcher, I am not sure if I can follow the argumentation of CD Projekt REDs statement.
In my opinion it's something very different to deliver special content to some sellers to support them or to make an exclusive contract with Microsoft. Microsoft is a console's publisher who is not interested in selling The Witcher and earning money by this but only in selling more and more of its own consoles. The only reason why Microsoft would make such a contract is because of the hope to get an advantage against the other platforms The Witcher can be played on and to sell more XBOXes because of this advantage.
If I would be Microsoft, I would watch very carefully if this exclusive contract means success in selling to me and - in case of success - try to get a new exclusive contract with CD Projekt RED in the future.
One can say that the timing for announcing the Special XBOX edition just a few days after the presentation of a XBOX-exclusive edition of Tomb Raider was simply not chosen very wise by CD Projekt. That's what I thought first. But now, I'm not sure if this is not kind of a very clever marketing strategy by Microsoft.
Those things coming together make me worry about CD Projekts further way. I said it once and I will say it again: Look what happened to BioWare in the past years.
And this is also why I support this guys petition on change.org to bring equality to all platforms. It's not "only" about a "few cards" and a map, as CD Projekt stated. It's about honesty. No exclusive content means no exclusive content. Hopefully neither now nor in the future.
In my opinion it's something very different to deliver special content to some sellers to support them or to make an exclusive contract with Microsoft. Microsoft is a console's publisher who is not interested in selling The Witcher and earning money by this but only in selling more and more of its own consoles. The only reason why Microsoft would make such a contract is because of the hope to get an advantage against the other platforms The Witcher can be played on and to sell more XBOXes because of this advantage.
If I would be Microsoft, I would watch very carefully if this exclusive contract means success in selling to me and - in case of success - try to get a new exclusive contract with CD Projekt RED in the future.
One can say that the timing for announcing the Special XBOX edition just a few days after the presentation of a XBOX-exclusive edition of Tomb Raider was simply not chosen very wise by CD Projekt. That's what I thought first. But now, I'm not sure if this is not kind of a very clever marketing strategy by Microsoft.
Those things coming together make me worry about CD Projekts further way. I said it once and I will say it again: Look what happened to BioWare in the past years.
And this is also why I support this guys petition on change.org to bring equality to all platforms. It's not "only" about a "few cards" and a map, as CD Projekt stated. It's about honesty. No exclusive content means no exclusive content. Hopefully neither now nor in the future.
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I think we can make a difference.
Afaik every console up until now is being produced with a loss and all the shiny money comes from royalties the devs give to the platform owner. Every company is interested to sell as many games as possible (and subscriptions) because that is their main income. I read many reports in the past confirming that. Maybe it changed for the new generation although I doubt it.
Ok, may be that you know better than me, but I think it wouldn't change that much. Of course a company would still be interested in selling as many games as possible on their very own platform.
Furthermore I think it goes hand in hand. The more games you can offer on your platform, the higher is the propability to sell more of your consoles. But of course this is only what I think.
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To be frank and honest, when it comes to honesty I think the damage is already done. Even if somehow CD Projekt back out of this and we get equality across all versions somehow, they can't erase what has already transpired. The cracks have formed, trust has faltered. Beyond getting a Delorean and going 88 miles per hour, I don't see any steps truly mending this. There will always be those who are wary of CDPR now, and while Microsoft may have given them something, I think the costs have already outweighed the benefits.
I pre-ordered a PC collector's edition (and a GOG edition on top of that), and, of course, I'm a bit disappointed that I won't be getting these extra two physical decks of cards and the cloth map.
However, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.
First of all, Marcin Iwinski's words about no exclusive content were taken out of context. What he said was that the game won't have any exclusive content on any platform. This still holds. After that he said that they will do something in terms of marketing cooperation. Now clearly Xbox 1 edition of CE was selling much worse than all other CE editions, and, on Microsoft's request, CDPR had to try to do something to fix that, to oay Microsoft back for the publicity gains due to the presence on Microsoft's stage during the E3's. And trying to solve this problem with some exclusive physical content (when there already were some precedents of exclusive physical contents provided by some retailers) is, in my opinion, the best way to do it.
All these talks of CDPR losing all trust and becoming the new EA or Ubisoft, are, frankly, gross exaggerations. Adding two trinkets to one CE is a much lesser sin than cutting substantial chunks of game content out of the game and selling it separately/providing it exclusively on some platforms. So, please, stop these comparisons, they are way out of proportions.
Now to address people who are saying that they "are not getting the full contents of the collector's edition for $150". Why didn't you feel the same when some retailers started providing exclusive additions, like Amazon.de did? If you're not living in or close to Germany you can't get the exclusive comic book, why didn't you feel cheated by that, that you're not getting the "complete" collector's edition? Also, when you made your CE preorder, you knew what it will have inside, and you will be getting the full contents that were promised. Why are you so jealous of some people getting a few things on top, for which the owner of their platform of choice paid? This is a bit childish, frankly. And if you want these decks and the cloth map so badly, you can always buy them later on ebay, or just order the Xbone collector's edition and then swap the actual disk of the game with the version you need.
There are a lot of people saying that they know for sure that this step from CDPR shows that they will soon end up where Bioware and the likes did, that they have seen this path countless times, and with certainity even if CDPR is not that bad now, they will start spawning paid DLC and platform-exlusive game content quite soon. Now, this is a very weak logic. All these "countless times" happened when some developer (like Bioware) was bought out by some giant company (like EA). This is not what's happening. In our case, CDPR needed some publicity. A lot of people discovered The Witcher 3 due to CDPR's presence at Microsoft's stage at the last two E3's. For this CDPR needs to pay Microsoft back with something. And adding few trinkets to Xbone CE is the least evil way to do this, as I argued above. Microsoft didn't _buy_ CDPR, it's just marketing cooperation. CDPR isn't going to start sliding downhill like Bioware did. CDPR is still a small independent company, with high values. But they had to make this compromise between their high values and the publicity they needed. This doesn't mean that they will start becoming worse and worse soon (or ever). If The Witcher 3 sells well (which is very probable), they will get enough money to be able to avoid any such compromises. Remember, they almost went bankrupt two times (after the release of the first game and after the release of the second game).
To conclude, please, have some faith in CDPR and stop being so jealous. This is coming from a person who preordered a PC collector's edition.
However, you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.
First of all, Marcin Iwinski's words about no exclusive content were taken out of context. What he said was that the game won't have any exclusive content on any platform. This still holds. After that he said that they will do something in terms of marketing cooperation. Now clearly Xbox 1 edition of CE was selling much worse than all other CE editions, and, on Microsoft's request, CDPR had to try to do something to fix that, to oay Microsoft back for the publicity gains due to the presence on Microsoft's stage during the E3's. And trying to solve this problem with some exclusive physical content (when there already were some precedents of exclusive physical contents provided by some retailers) is, in my opinion, the best way to do it.
All these talks of CDPR losing all trust and becoming the new EA or Ubisoft, are, frankly, gross exaggerations. Adding two trinkets to one CE is a much lesser sin than cutting substantial chunks of game content out of the game and selling it separately/providing it exclusively on some platforms. So, please, stop these comparisons, they are way out of proportions.
Now to address people who are saying that they "are not getting the full contents of the collector's edition for $150". Why didn't you feel the same when some retailers started providing exclusive additions, like Amazon.de did? If you're not living in or close to Germany you can't get the exclusive comic book, why didn't you feel cheated by that, that you're not getting the "complete" collector's edition? Also, when you made your CE preorder, you knew what it will have inside, and you will be getting the full contents that were promised. Why are you so jealous of some people getting a few things on top, for which the owner of their platform of choice paid? This is a bit childish, frankly. And if you want these decks and the cloth map so badly, you can always buy them later on ebay, or just order the Xbone collector's edition and then swap the actual disk of the game with the version you need.
There are a lot of people saying that they know for sure that this step from CDPR shows that they will soon end up where Bioware and the likes did, that they have seen this path countless times, and with certainity even if CDPR is not that bad now, they will start spawning paid DLC and platform-exlusive game content quite soon. Now, this is a very weak logic. All these "countless times" happened when some developer (like Bioware) was bought out by some giant company (like EA). This is not what's happening. In our case, CDPR needed some publicity. A lot of people discovered The Witcher 3 due to CDPR's presence at Microsoft's stage at the last two E3's. For this CDPR needs to pay Microsoft back with something. And adding few trinkets to Xbone CE is the least evil way to do this, as I argued above. Microsoft didn't _buy_ CDPR, it's just marketing cooperation. CDPR isn't going to start sliding downhill like Bioware did. CDPR is still a small independent company, with high values. But they had to make this compromise between their high values and the publicity they needed. This doesn't mean that they will start becoming worse and worse soon (or ever). If The Witcher 3 sells well (which is very probable), they will get enough money to be able to avoid any such compromises. Remember, they almost went bankrupt two times (after the release of the first game and after the release of the second game).
To conclude, please, have some faith in CDPR and stop being so jealous. This is coming from a person who preordered a PC collector's edition.
They made a mistake Terror_K but that does not denote that we be judge and executioner for a deck of cards.
Give them the benefit of the doubt and hope they do better next time.
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The only thing that we can have "faith" for is for CDPR to treat all gamers equally, and undo the exclusive content for micrsoft (physical items are content in my head). Given that the founder recently defended his decision to favor the xbone (the worst selling platform as you mention) that is probably unlikely. Since their promises are via real evidence not whole, i really hope they don't change the graphics too. Like the other company that accepted microsofts money, its been precedented for console versions to have exclusive graphics for the platform. Of course microsoft and sony would ask for an edge.
.. Sorry that is the most simple example of NOT thinking about the player first. How can improving the worst selling one be thinking about the players first? We all are buying the OTHER platforms, and are left with something inferior to the least popular platform. And they still say they think about players first. WE BOUGHT THE OTHER PLATFORMS. WE ARE PLAYERS!!! Joke.
.... Sorry for sounding dramatic, but i'm a bit shocked they literally defied their word and reputation. This is not sensation, look at what they actually have done.
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Huh ? The game will be the same across all platforms . The only thing being discussed here is the physical content ie the addition of a cloth map and a deck of cards in the collector`s editions .
Why are you being so dramatic over two decks of cards and a cloth map? As I argued above, this situation shouldn't be taken as a sign of CDPR going downhill. They desperately needed the publicity that the presence on Microsoft's stage at E3's gave them, and they needed to pay Microsoft back somehow. After CDPR receives the money from sales of The Witcher 3, this won't happen again.
Do you think it would be better if CDPR went bankrupt and stopped making their awesome games? It already nearly happened two times, read this article:http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-11-06-seeing-red-the-story-of-cd-projekt
Im afraid that logical arguments went thru the roof in this thread like 100 pages ago.You can easily see this in accusations of "sold out" and comparing to EA/Ubisoft.(or going in that way).Mostly its same people spaming same words over and over , ever.Yes we read them , we dont agree or agree on them but we saw them couple times so why spamming it.
@jerf For some it would be better that CDPR would stay with Ideal Image to tell the Legend of Studio That Didnt Sold Out.Who care's if studio doesnt exist.