Huh? They announced them all at the same time and they all went on sale (pre-order) at the same time, for the same price.
There was nothing back then hinting that CDPR would go and give one of the Collector's Editions additional content, what choice?
No, from my point of view it's not. People who bought the game on GOG had no way of getting the statue, medallion, etc. Therefore I find it normal that cdpr includes other things to suit a digital version.
And I didn't exaggerate anything btw. But I'll assume your last sentences weren't directly pointed towards me.
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The "difference" is of no interest to anyone except those who see it as a pretext to make trouble.
A promotion is a promotion. And it is within the legitimate conduct of any business to offer promotions in some channels and not in others, and the sole and completely sufficient reason for doing so is that you as a business must promote your product by the means available to you in any channel that matters to you.
So long as CDPR does not put actual game content on one platform and not others, for reasons other than platform capability, there is no difference between one promotion and another.
Every retail exclusive is given by the dev in order to promote sales, This is a standard marketing method. this system is used everywhere in the market from gaming to medicine.
Let me be frank here, this deal with microsift didn't made me lose trust toward CD projekt red, on the contrary it made me gain a lot of trust and respect for them. let me explain why, SE the development of Tomb Raider made raise if the tomb raider as an exclusive XBOX one game, the game will be released some time in the future tom PS4 and PC, no one know when, they had financial problems ( felt that selling 6 mil copies of the TR reboot is not sufficient). On the other hand CD project red almost went bankrupt twice trying to market the witcher games but they kept their values, and all they gave microsoft for their assistance was 2 decs of cards and a cloth map. The game will be released at the same time for all platforms and will have the same content on all platforms, no day one DLC and no drm.
please explain to me how could they form a better deal that will hinder the player less. no one lose anything promised. Yes the CE xbox players will receive items paid by microsoft, i am happy for them and hope they will enjoy it.
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That is one very bold statement to make. You basically just called anyone who finds this whole ordeal unfair, troublemakers.
And you're also saying that some of its channels matter more to them than others? Wow.
cdpr had to add stuff for the digital version to make it fair for the people that get physical items in the none digital ver. of the standard version.( plus digital content really doesn't add much, you can get that stuff easily online the next day.) Also its not your call to decide if people are just trying to cause trouble or if there truly upset, if it was just people making trouble you wouldn't be in a 135 page thread right now, and you wouldn't have long time fans saying how disappointed they are with cdpr's recent actions.
when did they almost go bankrupt? if it was anytime recently then you i can understand that, but this deal with Microsoft happened just recently and in doing so lost their values.
Choice, as in lack of choice, as in most of the CE are already sold out, that's what I said, yes. You said the backlash wasn't about choice, it is for many, it's about choice that they couldn't even make.
Oh no.. its not that hard. Noone is denying xboxes are unpopular, and need promotions to generate more sales. Same with any other unpopular product.
The essence of the issue is 2 things:
1. CDPROJECT even after acting otherwise still have staff members claiming they think with gamers first.
2. They messed with the COLLECTORS EDITION. GUESS WHAT CDPROJECT YOU CANT BE THAT DUMB. PEOPLE BUY THE COLLECTORS EDITION BECAUSE THEY WANT THE PHYSICAL BITS OF JUNK INSIDE. The people who don't care about necklaces, statues and boxes purchase the standard edition. By adding more (and good sounding) extra bits of junk to the LEAST POPULAR PLATFORM that NOONE BOUGHT, you are directly SCREWING WITH THE INTENT OF PEOPLE BUYING THE COLLECTORS EDITION.
Of course there is going to be backlash, and real impact to your reputation. Because since people buy collectors editions for the pieces inside (at great extra cost) it is a real impact to those players.
Why is this so hard? CDPR can 1) Be like every other large developer and just do what they want 2) Make collectors editions whole 3) State that they sold their values to the losing team which will (unless more values are killed) provide the worst expression of the witcher 3.
Dammit CDPR, Microsoft let's his fans play with cards while I have to make due with the Medallion which is the sole reason I pre-ordered the CE in the first place while playing your awesome game with PC specific options that I can't get on the limited hardware of the consoles. You have abandoned me! What's next? Are you gonna put a flesh eating virus on the Geralt statue? Because that's what all companies eventually do after releasing a promotion that I'm not a part off.
In real marketing, not in some fantasy world where the game developer is selling to retail customers without any middlemen, every channel is individual, and every channel arrangement is different. There is no such thing as treating all channels the same, and yes, there are channels that are productive and yield sales, and there are channels that are not worth the effort to maintain a relationship with a partner. And if a channel partner who is worth making an effort to help wants help in the form of a promotion, and you can reach an agreement on what form that promotion should take, you fucking well do it.
There is no demanding that it be otherwise, because such demands are without meaning.
There is no demanding that it be otherwise, because such demands are without meaning.
that's how exclusive dlc gets started. CDPR didn't have to make the deal, if they turned it down Microsoft wouldn't have done anything because their not in a position to turn their backs on any game company. This deal was not about keeping a channel happy it was about money.
You do realise that Microsoft, in a way, greatly helped promoting the game in a few events? The Witcher 3 got under the big spotlight thanks to Microsoft and I don't think that after that, CDPR want to turn their back on them, as much as I hate this kind of deal, the same way I hate the principle behind exclusive content in general, given the situation, it made sense to agree to that deal.
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Microsoft got to show off one of, if not the best rpg of this year, and cdpr got to show off thier game, that is the way it goes cdpr didn't owe Microsoft anything. Also cdpr didn't release witcher 2 on ps3 so Microsoft should have already been happy with them.
In your opinion it`s about money . The problem here is you can`t offer proof that they were paid and I can`t offer proof that they weren`t so that leaves us back to square 1 .
@stkmks: Unpopular huh? I wouldn't call five million units sold through 'unpopular'. Less popular than it's competitor, yeah.
As to your points- I'm not even sure what you mean by this, so this is by my interpretation.
1. Just because the guys at the top make decisions doesn't mean that the lower guys agree and love their fans. Guess what? You got a problem with upper management you don't go vocal with it. Because then you can kiss your job goodbye.
2. They did not 'mess' with the collector's edition, this kind of wording makes it sound as if quality of certain items have been changed or removed. Has one platforms edition been improved? Yes, yes it has. But what over a cloth map and some cards. It's not as if they've added a huge detailed bestiary or such.
No one has bought huh? See the above five million figure for reference. The only thing I can give you here is that the Xbox edition was the longest to last before selling out(US).
Should CDPR have anticipated this backlash? Yeah I think they should have. To the extent that the whole of the opposition look like crying babies? No they probably didn't expect that a mature games supposedly "Adult" fanbase would lash out like this. The ones canceling pre-orders and crying over cards have drowned out moderate and calm members concerns like me and Slimgrin.
And to your latter points:
1. They can do what they want, it's their company, not ours. This is not a feudal monarchy but a public company.
2. The collector's editions are whole to a point. There is still no evidence or source as to when this deal was made. Innocent until proven guilty is quite popular these days.
3. Survival is basic instinct. In this world of large publishers owning many, many IPs and developers you do what you have to to survive. They are still long from the likes of many others. This should be taken with caution yes. But the game has not been compromised as far as we know and they never said that the collector's edition would be added or subtracted from. As I said in another post they all come with the fine print, "subject to change".
Now if the opposition would calm down and talk about this in a polite manner they may be taken seriously.
As to your points- I'm not even sure what you mean by this, so this is by my interpretation.
1. Just because the guys at the top make decisions doesn't mean that the lower guys agree and love their fans. Guess what? You got a problem with upper management you don't go vocal with it. Because then you can kiss your job goodbye.
2. They did not 'mess' with the collector's edition, this kind of wording makes it sound as if quality of certain items have been changed or removed. Has one platforms edition been improved? Yes, yes it has. But what over a cloth map and some cards. It's not as if they've added a huge detailed bestiary or such.
No one has bought huh? See the above five million figure for reference. The only thing I can give you here is that the Xbox edition was the longest to last before selling out(US).
Should CDPR have anticipated this backlash? Yeah I think they should have. To the extent that the whole of the opposition look like crying babies? No they probably didn't expect that a mature games supposedly "Adult" fanbase would lash out like this. The ones canceling pre-orders and crying over cards have drowned out moderate and calm members concerns like me and Slimgrin.
And to your latter points:
1. They can do what they want, it's their company, not ours. This is not a feudal monarchy but a public company.
2. The collector's editions are whole to a point. There is still no evidence or source as to when this deal was made. Innocent until proven guilty is quite popular these days.
3. Survival is basic instinct. In this world of large publishers owning many, many IPs and developers you do what you have to to survive. They are still long from the likes of many others. This should be taken with caution yes. But the game has not been compromised as far as we know and they never said that the collector's edition would be added or subtracted from. As I said in another post they all come with the fine print, "subject to change".
Now if the opposition would calm down and talk about this in a polite manner they may be taken seriously.
Not sure how treating a channel with < 5M users is better in any way than channels with 10M+ and an entire PC market.
That's true but that's the most obvious reason. What else could it be? If it was to get on stage during a Microsoft presentation, then Microsoft would have said that they got an exclusive deal that other platforms didn't during the presentation. I doubt cdpr did it because they wanted to help Microsoft out.
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