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Aes Sídhe

Aes Sídhe

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#1,581
Sep 11, 2014
Sirnaq said:
I don't get it, aren't they supporting their partners by releasing game on their platform? Isn't that enough of a support?
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Aye you'd think that would be enough, after all MS/Sony get a cut from each game played on their systems, isn't that their portion? But "free" trade & "open" competition ? We know thats not the way this industry likes to work. The platform runners are capable of anything here imo, and CDPR giving one some physical goodies is definitely worth maintaining the total integrity of the actual game experience across all their fans.

Tielo said:
So they are telling us that they went lobbying with their tiny little game and no one wanted them on stage except MS who wanted in return a physical card game and a cloth map.
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We know nothing about the negotiations that produced this. Nothing. All we can do is guess, and my guess is CDPR didn't "lobby" anyone, I imagine the proposals came to them, and probably over a long period of time (longer than the convention season anyway). I agree the PR could have been handled better, but I disagree that how CDPR reacted after the initial announcement (within hours clarifying the situation from their PoV, and essentially apologising to those who felt particularly affected unhappily) caused even more distress. Other companies wouldn't respond at all, or at least leave it longer. CDPR saw their fans hurting and responded quickly... thats how I see it anyway.

Sirnaq said:
No, cdpr almost went bankrupt because of failed xbox port of the first witcher, it had nothing to do with marketing.
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I read Rhinalas use of the phrase "marketing the Witcher 1 / Witcher 2" to mean "bringing to market / ready for sale", rather than just specifically the marketing portion of each production. Imo, the near bankruptcy has never been officially blamed on any single thing, and its usually far too simplistic and / or sign of a bad business if one project - a side project at that - can sink the whole company.

Anyway "supporting our partners"... we'd need a business school alumnus, or insider knowledge to really know what this means, though it does imply long term rather than short term relationships, and a little gave & take. Perhaps even MS deserve a friendly hand when they've taken a beating, theres blood on the carpet, and the refs are thinking game over.
 
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Sirnaq

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Sep 11, 2014
Another bizarre thing is that they are not giving it to the regular edition but to the CE. Collectors edition is usually bought by the most diehard fans, doubt there is a lot of them on xbox platform considering the difference of sales between pc and xbox version of witcher 2. More "smarter" move would be to give some bonus to regular edition to convince broader audience that isn't into witcher to buy it on xbox.
 
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Scarvia

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#1,583
Sep 15, 2014
The problem here is, that it's a complex issue. Different people like different kinds of content. It's impossible to create a plattform/developer deal where all players are happy. There will always be some people who hate the concept you chose.

Personally I am a huge fan of physical items. Therefore it bugs me that I will miss something, when I do not order the XBone edition (and I do not own a XBone and do not plan to buy one). A real disappointment.
Other people are "digital completists" and want every bit and byte they can get but do not mind to miss out on cards, maps and so on. Therefore these people will agree with the statement: Missing a card game is better than missing DLC.
And again others want every bit and byte and every card and map and stuff. Simply Everything.

But I would also say that this depends and is a little bit more complex then just personal preference for DLC or physical items.
I am a huge Assassins Creed fan and most time I buy one of the more expensive editions because I like the physical items and at first: Wanted as much extra DLC/ULC as I could get. One thing I learned there is: Not every DLC (or ULC) is worth the trouble. Most "exclusive missions" in Assassins Creed were merely "ok". I would not have missed an unique experience or something if I would have missed those. So I stopped hunting for those. If I get extra missions it's ok, but if I miss out on ULC: I don't mind. This is the way I handle it for most games nowadays.
Other ULC in other games might even break the game a little bit. For example: Getting a really good sword at the start of the game, which makes all fights more easy. Or they are kind of pointless because they are just copies of items with unique paintings or something. They might even become useless after a certain point as you get better weapons (sticking with that example).
So what I am saying: Sometimes missing out on a certain DLC/ULC is not really a loss.
There are other games, though, were this ULC is very well made. Even I would be disappointed to miss those.
But most preorder items or exclusive items/missions I saw fall into one of the above examples. So missing out is not that big of a deal.

So as I said: Complex stuff. I don't thing you can offer those deals to the companies and still make it that way that every player will be happy.

So... Coming back to the topic: The XBone exclusive items.
I am still a fan of the idea, that Collector Editions are fan service. (Kind of. I know that a lot of companies seem to loose that way of thinking of CEs.) Something you give your greatest fans as a little thank you (even if they have to pay more - they will get more. It's a special offer.). Something just for the greatest fans that want to have more of your franchise.
But coming from that point of view:
Exclusive items in only certain versions of the Collector Editions feel... Like a punch in the stomach. The people that buy these editions are your greatest fans. They will pay extra to get a little bit more... and still get not the best package. And the only reason, why they do not get the best package is: They do not own the correct plattform.
Using these editions as... bait, to get people on certain plattforms just feels not right. (And I know: It's not alone CDProjektREDs fault.)

Personally I would prefer one of those deals:
* Time exclusives (but I can see why the companies might not really want those, they are not that strong as exclusives). Most times "getting it later" is still better than "missing out completely".
But again: It depends. When the game is short and has low replayable value a time exclusive means that all players who play fast will miss it. You also might want to have a certain ULC item on your first playthrough/start of the game because it becomes weaker, when you get it later (like the sword, that becomes replaceable at a certain point).
For physical items... Maybe some kind of a discount. Like, selling the card game separately and XBone users get it 20% cheaper because there is a code in the box or something. You still have the problem, that people get more for paying the same, though. The comic is also an ok example. You can buy it or you can get it for free when preordering or buying the GOG-version. This way at least you do not miss something.
* Purely optical items/slightly chanced items. I love my robotic dog in Mass Effect 3. But he does not really do anything. He is just there. If you missed the K-9 it's bearable. Other games have skins or costumes which do not really do anything but chance your character.
This may also apply to physical items. I liked the idea of Assassins Creed II's CEs: White edition had a white figurine, black edition had an identical figurine in black*. But here it comes again to taste: Some people preferred the white assassin, others the black. So people might again get disappointed if they get the "wrong" figure on their plattform. But you get the idea. It's not the biggest loss, if you get a slightly altered item... Maybe use better paper (or leather) for a map. PC gets paper map, XBone gets a map of a higher quality. That would also make the differences a little bit more... subtle. You still get the map, you have not to miss it, but the quality is a little bit lower. (And again: Taste, if people accept that.)
* Something like an additional mini CE for XBone. So you have a full CE, which is identical for all plattforms but a small, exclusive version for XBox which has some CE items. So maybe a "XBone exclusive Card game edition" which has the standard game, the card, the game at a good prize. So the biggest fans can still get their complete, big package but the fans who do not want to pay that much have a small alternative.

I don't know. Just some version, where nobody has to miss out completely...
As a fan of trading card games it would've been nice to play the card game with real cards with my boyfriend.

(The thing I would really prefer is: Stop this exclusive nonsense. It's win/win for the developer and the console companies - yes, but most time the players lose (depending on their personal taste). But I see why that might be something that you would not want to miss. And yes, I understand that those deals mean better games for us as you can invest more. But on short terms: Missing out on something is not cool.)

(* And no: I do not think that the way UbiSoft went since then was a good won. Too many CES...)
 
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Kinley

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#1,584
Sep 15, 2014
Welcome to the forums @Scarvia, glad you decided to make an account to get your point across (since we both agreed Twitter is not a great platform for discussing this issue). :)

To some degree I agree with what you said, CEs are fan service and even CDPR said they don't make CEs to make a profit. You also have to understand that CDPR doesn't want to lose a partner like Microsoft, and I believe they went with the best possible option. Extra content that doesn't cheat the player buying the game (in-game content that is) but also satisfies MS with what their getting. If I was in charge with making such a decision I probably would have done the same thing.
Besides, with rumours and hints to a possible CDPR store, we might get this GWENT game as a standalone purchase sometime in the future.

And I understand the frustration of CE buyers (heck I'm one myself, having pre-ordered the PC version), what I don't understand is people actively boycotting the game and CDPR because of this, without looking at the situation properly (not directed at you of course, just meaning it in general).
 
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Scarvia

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#1,585
Sep 15, 2014
Yes, I understand that they do not want to lose partners, which is why I put the last part ("stop exclusives") only at the end, in brackets. It's not really realistic. It's how things work, at the moment. Exclusive deals are important for companies.

And I also understand, as I said, that time exclusives or color swapped items might not be what Microsoft wants. They want the good deals, the stuff, where the player really reconsiders, which version they want to buy.
But this is exactly the problems with exclusive deals at the moment: Depending on their personal taste, some players will loose. As I said: Not all players. You said on twitter, that it's ok for you to miss out on the map and the cards as long as you get the full game. I on the other hand would really really like to have those items.
But it's not like the decision between standard and CE. I can freely decide, whether I want the standard or the collectors edition. There is no restriction, as long as I own at least one plattform where The Witcher 3 will run.
It's not that easy with plattform exclusive deals. I would have to buy a whole new console. And I would not need that console, because the game is plattform exclusive. I will need a new console just because I might want the card game. That is absurd.

But yes, it's not easy that to resolve. You can make the deals for the players better, as I suggested (only time exclusives or DLC that does not have a great... impact like color swaps) but that is not, what M$ and Sony will pay the good money for. But that money might be important for some studios (especially the small ones.)
As said: A complex issue and not that easy to do it right.
 
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Binky66

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#1,586
Sep 16, 2014
Collectors edition

I just pre-ordered the PC Withers 3 colletors edition, but noticed the lack of content compared to the x-box CE. So i was wondering, will the PC CE be without a soundtrack and the cloth map? If yes then i find it contradicts what CDPRORED said about having no exclusives for the different formats.
I would think that the PC crowd deserved the best CE if there had to be differences, because of the support we have given the company since the first witcher game, which i also own in a special edition.
I just find it weird.
 
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tommy5761

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#1,587
Sep 16, 2014
binky66 said:
I just pre-ordered the PC Withers 3 colletors edition, but noticed the lack of content compared to the x-box CE. So i was wondering, will the PC CE be without a soundtrack and the cloth map? If yes then i find it contradicts what CDPRORED said about having no exclusives for the different formats.
I would think that the PC crowd deserved the best CE if there had to be differences, because of the support we have given the company since the first witcher game, which i also own in a special edition.
I just find it weird.
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The only difference that i`m aware of is that the XB one CE has 2 decks of Gwent cards and a cloth map . All other content is the same . But the soundtrack is included with the PC CE .
http://buy.thewitcher.com/
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#1,588
Sep 24, 2014
Scarvia said:
Other people are "digital completists" and want every bit and byte they can get but do not mind to miss out on cards, maps and so on. Therefore these people will agree with the statement: Missing a card game is better than missing DLC.
And again others want every bit and byte and every card and map and stuff. Simply Everything.
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You've forgot me!

I won't miss a material card or a digital map if CDPR give me the game I dream of. I only want to play the Witcher 3, living Geralt troubles and loose myself in a wonderfull open world. Maybe I'm the one or maybe all those who think the same don't need to explain what is so obvious and we keep in silence. But doesn't mean we don't exist.
 
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Nex3t

Senior user
#1,589
Sep 24, 2014
if i buy the CE edition, will i be able to redeem the key to steam? or just in GOG?
 
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frosch666

Rookie
#1,590
Sep 24, 2014
It's kind of strange that in Germany you still can pre-order the CE for XBone via Amazon, but for PC and PS4 it's sold out ;)
 
tommy5761

tommy5761

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#1,591
Sep 24, 2014
nex3t said:
if i buy the CE edition, will i be able to redeem the key to steam? or just in GOG?
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As for now neither . At this time the CE will come with the game with no plans to use the cd-key if there is any for a digital backup . That may change in the future but as I said for now that would be a no .
 
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GuyNwah

Ex-moderator
#1,592
Sep 29, 2014
Moderator: Posts will be deleted. The forum is not for the purpose of arguing about who committed an ad hominem or whether this argument portends the destruction of the community. Take that to another venue.
 
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runzz

Rookie
#1,593
Sep 30, 2014
Isen'grim' said:
Don't know about other people, but personally, it's about the principle. CDPR said "No exlusive content for anyone". CDPR then went "NOPE, JK, LOLZ".
In other words, trust I had, is wavering.
"We are the rebels!" CDPR? Not really, huh?

In the end all, preorders are NEVER a good idea. I wish people stopped doing them.
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everyone will claim to be a rebel for cool points. that's until a pile of money shows up in their face.
 
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vincent13m

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#1,594
Oct 7, 2014
I have on single question for CDProject Team. Why XboxOne Collector's Edition includes more items than PC and PS4 Collector's Edition? I feel abused by this discrimination for the benefit of users XboxOne. I hope CDProject Team reconsider about this and includes the same items in all Collector's Edition versions, sooner or later.
 
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Unkindled

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#1,595
Oct 7, 2014
Oh lord, I honestly don't give a shit. All I care about is the damn game. Screw the cards, screw the map. They can choke on it for all I care.
 
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tommy5761

Mentor
#1,596
Oct 8, 2014
From buy.thewitcher.com at the bottom
"Pre-order content may vary by platform and country. For further details, please refer to the product page or a sales assistant at the store you're buying the game from."
So as to not confuse it is pre order content and not in game content .
 
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Fandango9641

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Oct 10, 2014
Partial fucking bullshit.
 
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Aes Sídhe

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#1,598
Oct 10, 2014
"Gather round kids, get your paper & crayons, paints & brushes, glitter & glue, scissors & double-backed sticky tape, and lets make something for fun ! Lets be creative !"


"Today we've got the RED's digital release from GOG of their amazing game The Witcher 3, look at that beautiful Map included in the extras. Lets take some Muslin, or you could use any cloth of your choice, or even Vellum or Papyrus, cut to the size you would like, and take both these things to a quality printer, I suggest a Laser printer - which you can find everywhere these days e.g. schools, universities, shops & homes - but anything might do these days, and simply print out the map exactly how you would like it. Looks wonderful on your wall eh kids, frame it or simply hang it, and you've DIY, following in the style of the RED's, showing you're worthy of their next release Cyberpunk 2077. Now you wanted to play Gwent on the map but don't have any cards? Never fear, due to the wonder of the internet digital images of these cards will be available for you if you just look around, find them, get them, get some appropriate grade of paper, and back to the printer. You know what to do now!"
 
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Zer0theHer0

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#1,599
Oct 30, 2014
~Fandango~ said:
Partial fucking bullshit. I'm tempted to cancel my pre-order.
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That's exactly what I did.
This is inacceptable... they promised no exclusives, and we're paying the same as Xbox One users for less content. Not gonna buy anything from CDPR anymore.
 
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Aes Sídhe

Aes Sídhe

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Oct 30, 2014
Wow... extreme reaction there mate, curiously delayed. Well its your choice of course but just let me point out theres no consensus of opinion behind you supporting that view on the physical exclusives. Do me a favour... grab a cup of your favourite beverage and consider this post before you cut yourself off with a rather drastic stance.
 
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