Are AMD Cards Going To Be Well Optlimzed For TW3?

[TheWitcherAR]

i agree that its not the way to ask. this is only speculation.and i really trust CDP. So i don't think that there will be a big difference among the manufacturers.
Although with a benchmark or 5 min demo....it will be easier to erase this suspicions. its only my opinion. i saw the alienware alpha... i think that for the many its a really good way to upgrade for the game.

 

[tahirahmed]

You guys need to calm down, while it's true that I was also nervous about AMD in start but this is no longer the case thanks to some mods here for explanation. First TW3 is only using couple of GameWorks features not a whole bunch. Here they are

1) HBAO+
2) HairWorks
3) PhysX
4) APEX Clothing & Destruction
5) TXAA & MFAA (Most probably).

1) Now I have tested several games using HBAO+ on my R9 290 and it doesn't do any bigger hit on AMD than it does on Nvidia, it's an old thinking that HBAO+ hit AMD cards really hard. AMD now have improved their drivers to work well with this, of course it has some additional performance hit compared to other AO techs but it's about same on both AMD & Nvidia.

2) HairWorks is a demanding feature yes, the latest game that used it is FarCry 4 and according to a discussion on another thread it hits my R9 290 and a GTX 970 almost same. A 970 also start to struggle when there are 4 fur animals on screen, same goes for R9 290. Initial iterations of HairWorks tend to hit AMD really hard (example Call of Duty: Ghosts) but now it's much better and with TW3 it might get even better.

3) For AMD users PhysX will get offloaded to CPU so you need a powerful CPU for that. A Haswell i5 4690k or i7 4790k is the best pick at the moment. Also according to Guy and other mods here, the new PhysX SDK 3.x works really well on CPUs so you have nothing much to worry about. I have tested this in Metro Redux myself. Advanced PhysX (which was a pain before) is perfectly playable now on my i5 4690k with R9 290 achieving 60 fps easily at max settings.

4) APEX Clothing & Destruction is a CPU feature, already working well in games like Batman.

5) TXAA & MFAA are the only things AMD users missing out but we already have MSAA.

So in short AMD users are not missing out any eye candy and HairWorks is a demanding feature for both AMD and Nvidia GPUs.

With that said I have now shifted to GTX 980, not because AMD cards can't handle TW3 or anything but because GTX 980 is the best thing available right now and my PSU cannot handle two R9 290's very well. I know I can wait for new AMD GPUs which look really powerful from speculations but the fact is I have money in my pocket right now and I want to get the best thing available out there, maybe by the time AMD GPUs arrive I no longer have anything to spend.

Keep one thing in mind that regardless of AMD or Nvidia, TW3 is turning out to be a very demanding game so if it doesn't run well on AMD or Nvidia it doesn't mean it's unoptimized or it's happening because of GameWorks, it's just because the game needs more muscle to run well thanks to it's ambitiousness. I have plans to get another 980 near release for SLI and people with AMD should also go for CrossFire setup if they want to max out this game or wait for the new GPUs to arrive. For now single GPU flagships like R9 290X or GTX 980 doesn't seem to achieve 60 fps at ultra settings for this game.

 

[Sardukhar]

FUD:

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. In case anyone had to look it up. I know I did.

In other words, if you're saying it to spread or reinforce existing uncertainty in order to create a negative emotional reaction in your audience...THAT'S BAD.

Please stop.

Have a pony!

 

[GuyNwah]

Demands for official explanations and insinuations that CDPR is withholding information are Not On. Post deleted. Don't go back there.

I want to see information on performance of the game on AMD cards too. But swearing and insinuating that they are withholding information are good ways to make responsible engineers decide that it would be better to ignore your flamebait than walk into it.

Disagreements over forum moderation are to be conducted by private message (PM), not in the public forum.

Keep it civil or keep silence.

 

[SageFox.326]

Medium, yes. Like 1080p with medium details, FXAA or SMAA and SAOO. Pretty much like the PS4 level of quality.

PS4 GPU is a 7850 with a 1.6 ghz CPU...... no ...just no.

 

[Scholdarr.452]

PS4 GPU is a 7850 with a 1.6 ghz CPU...... no ...just no.

Not that easy to compare. The PS4 uses a completely different API and OS (multithreading on console for example works better than on PC with DX9/11). Also there is ONE version optimized to the maximum for ONE hardware. You'll never get that kind of optimization on PC. So you have to use better tech on PC, for both the usual Windows overhead and the worse optimization.

And IIRC the GPU of the PS4 is comparable to a 7870, not a 7850...

 

[SageFox.326]

can use any API as PC do, and performance isn't big in the released games comparing a PS4 and a PC with 7850 gpu, in fact a i7 System is already better.better. So has nothing to do with game performance, until you talk about DX wich is part of windows, but can be used in PS games. We have mantle in PC if you want a low lvl API and it's ready for consoles too. And lastly, the optimized version is in FACT that 7850 AMD and is AMD in PC who have the problems, not nvidia, so optimization cross platform isn't the problem. Is really ironic that the GPUs similar to the consoles will work worst than the nvidia ones on PC.....

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Well, I have a I7 4790k, 8gb ram, R9280X. If I notice at day one that TW3 runs bad for me, I will return game to GOG same day. Really tired of broken games and really tired of nvidia "cash style" way of life.

Only a fanatic wouldn't do that and i'm wrong about not doing it maybe. I use amd and i'm on the same train than you.

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More platform FUD.

Bring a claim with evidence, not discredited rumors about CDPR refusing to support AMD, or keep silence.

Sorry sir but i have to ask, why is terrifying bad saying that CDPR wont support AMD?

 

[GuyNwah]

can use any API as PC do, and performance isn't big in the released games comparing a PS4 and a PC with 7850 gpu, in fact a i7 System is already better.better. So has nothing to do with game performance, until you talk about DX wich is part of windows, but can be used in PS games. We have mantle in PC if you want a low lvl API and it's ready for consoles too. And lastly, the optimized version is in FACT that 7850 AMD and is AMD in PC who have the problems, not nvidia, so optimization cross platform isn't the problem. Is really ironic that the GPUs similar to the consoles will work worst than the nvidia ones on PC.....

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Only a fanatic wouldn't do that and i'm wrong about not doing it maybe. I use amd and i'm on the same train than you.

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Sorry sir but i have to ask, why is terrifying bad saying that CDPR wont support AMD?

There are a number of members attempting to grind an axe at CDPR's expense, by making accusations that CDPR has been paid off by nVidia to not optimize the game for AMD. These arguments will draw sanctions from the moderators.

Arguments accusing CDPR of intentionally withholding information concerning the performance of the game on AMD cards are the ones that have been deleted and will draw moderator sanctions if reposted.

I will repeat this warning for emphasis.

swearing and insinuating that they are withholding information are good ways to make responsible engineers decide that it would be better to ignore your flamebait

 

[SageFox.326]

There are a number of members attempting to grind an axe at CDPR's expense, by making accusations that CDPR has been paid off by nVidia to not optimize the game for AMD. These arguments will draw sanctions from the moderators.

Arguments accusing CDPR of intentionally withholding information concerning the performance of the game on AMD cards are the ones that have been deleted and will draw moderator sanctions if reposted.

I will repeat this warning for emphasis.

swearing and insinuating that they are withholding information are good ways to make responsible engineers decide that it would be better to ignore your flamebait

Ok thanks for your answer i understand the swearing part, not that much the insinuating because business of that kind are legal and common even if i think that's an insane accusation.

 

[dragonbird]

A reminder. If people want to feedback on their concerns about the game, they're welcome to do so, as long as they don't make false statements of "fact" (as Guy said earlier).

What is NOT permitted is for people to attack other forum members because of their hardware preferences, for expressing concerns, or for any other reason. A post has been deleted.

 

[Vigilance.492]

I could sit here and attempt to prove how much of what you're spewing is either outright bullshit or just unfounded nonsense...

But you know what, think whatever you want mate. Personally I'll take the rational route and just wait for release, see benchmarks, play it myself and then decide whether we should take pitchforks to Poland.

 

[nah_man]

I could sit here and attempt to prove how much of what you're spewing is either outright bullshit or just unfounded nonsense...

But you know what, think whatever you want mate. Personally I'll take the rational route and just wait for release, see benchmarks, play it myself and then decide whether we should take pitchforks to Poland.

The whole point of this thread is discussion. If you have information for us that is helpful then please share.

 

[Vigilance.492]

The whole point of this thread is discussion. If you have information for us that is helpful then please share.

Well if you can find something in his post worth discussing, then please share.

The discussion of a 770 =/= 290 has already been talked about at length. His notion that some mystical, magical Nvidia Maxwell optimized tessellation is what is causing the game to be "horribly optimized" for anyone without a Maxwell GPU is 100% bullshit.

I don't see someone looking for a discussion, I see someone who wants to bring back up a topic that has already been discussed to death, just as an excuse to insert more unfounded "CDPR are Nvidia sellouts" rubbish.

 

[GuyNwah]

Moderator: The post you're arguing with has been deleted. No reason to continue.

 

[SageFox.326]

Right now we know by CDPR and is a fact and when someone cites something as a fact is because it must be, we already have the translated interviews where cdpr head tells the last demo was running in a GTX 980 with i7 PC at high settings almost the same as PS4, the original row demo of "60" FPS runs at 35 fps mostly so thats the nvidia performance. When you read the system specs official from CDPR that say gtx 770 for recommended and R9 290, we got a problem, a bigger one on AMD side. From this "right now" demo from January and the information given by CDPR, we can say right now the game is not optimized for AMD hardware, in fact it's not for nvidia either, is not optimized for PC, but bigger problems seems in AMD, if the system specs are strict.

 

[GuyNwah]

No, unless you are an insider who knows exactly what work has been done, you actually have no "facts" at all you can present about what optimization has been done and what has not.

There is a huge difference between the performance of an early demo that is not feature complete and a demo of a feature-complete game with optimization in progress. The former is of course going to run faster for the damn good reason that it is not complete and does not perform all the computation of the latter.