BUG : Cant do various action in shallow water !

[Paulo88]

BUG : Cant do various action in shallow water !

During my many many hours in this game I've come across several bugs and glitches, but the most annoying has to be the one where I cant do some thing because I'm in shallow water.

On several occasion I've fallen into a small area of water and been unable to jump out, I just keep getting the "You cant do that now" and I've had to load an older save file.

Also whilst on the topic of water, why cant I use my crossbow whilst swimming on the surface ?

I can use it while under water, I can use it out of water but not whilst on the top, seems a little silly.

 

[Exentryk]

Not being able to jump in water is by design. Not being able to shoot on the surface of the water is also by design.

You may dislike it, but it is not a bug.

 

[pebeem]

Not being able to jump in water is by design. Not being able to shoot on the surface of the water is also by design

By design you say?
So Geralt can shoot his crossbow while underwater, can climb aboard boat while swimming yet he is unable to perform all these actions while in shallow water?
Smells like poor design imho.

 

[Smurfin]

I agree with OP, this is the most annoying thing about Geralt and the water. I have no problem whatsoever with Geralt's control/movement under water like what most people/review complain.

The problem lies on the surface, it's a hassle and a struggle trying to get out of the water ! Geralt is having a real hard time especially when he starts taking a pose or stance in the shallow water, he cannot jump, cannot climb, all he can do is walk. Sometimes he even refuses to climb when on the surface even though the ledge is not that high.

 

[lwp]

he problem lies on the surface, it's a hassle and a struggle trying to get out of the water !

Exactly! I've had multiple instances where I've had to swim around to completely level shore instead of just being able to step out of the water. Now being able to not jump while waist deep in water I understand that, and can't speak to the crossbow because I do not use it that often. I remember some frustrating times on Fyke island at level 5 trying to evade Rotfiends and ghouls, only to die because of some water related incident.

 

[gamerperson1]

I'm not a fan of this either. Also in Novigrad area I got stuck in a pool in a bog. It wouldn't let me jump out. I couldn't climb out. I was stuck, I hit the sign button and Geralt warped out of the water from the animation. I was like phew. Then went to dry land.

 

[ztoka]

I ran into that once while in a bog. Fell into a small pool of water and couldn't get out no matter what I did. Had to load a saved game. Thankfully, I had recently saved. Only happened once but it happened...

 

[jacozilla]

Not being able to jump in water is by design. Not being able to shoot on the surface of the water is also by design.

You may dislike it, but it is not a bug.

Reading comprehension includes important connective syntax like AND. You can't selectively pick only half his statement to construct a straw man argument.

OP did not call inability to jump in water a bug. What he called a bug was "fallen into a small area of water AND been unable to jump out", with old save file as only means of escape.

Inability to jump out of water by design is fine if you provide a means of exit, or design the map such that you can't access / fall into inescapable places in the first place. Every modern game considers /stuck obstacles with no means of escape to be bugs, such as a small area of water you can fall into AND have no means to jump / walk / climb / escape out of.

While OP added topics not in subject line title, he didnt call not being able to shoot on surface of water a bug either - he raised a complaint / comment about it being illogical if you can shoot under and out of water, but not on the surface. Apparently the kyrpotonite to this super-crossbow physics of W3 world where the bolt can travel high velocity in both atmosphere and liquid environments crashes to a halt at sea level.

 

[kmana81]

Not being able to climb back into a boat was real annoying. I was doing the smugglers caches in skelliege and my last save was awhile ago. I was overburdened too because I do a lot of smugglers caches then fast travel to a port to dump the crap. I ended up slow swimming to land where there was a town close to shore.....I was at the bottom left of the skelliege map.

 

[Paulo88]

I'm not a fan of this either. Also in Novigrad area I got stuck in a pool in a bog. It wouldn't let me jump out. I couldn't climb out. I was stuck, I hit the sign button and Geralt warped out of the water from the animation. I was like phew. Then went to dry land.

Sounds like you got stuck where I did. There are several small pools near the outskirts of Novigrad that the player can get stuck in. I simply stay away now

I spotted a few more instances last night where Geralt won't climb into a boat when its on the shore due to shallow water. The only thing you can do is hope that the water is deep enough somewhere around the boat for you to start swimming. You can then climb into it rather than jumping.

Intend to get a few videos up tonight to show my issues.

 

[Exentryk]

Reading comprehension includes important connective syntax like AND. You can't selectively pick only half his statement to construct a straw man argument.

OP did not call inability to jump in water a bug. What he called a bug was "fallen into a small area of water AND been unable to jump out", with old save file as only means of escape.

Inability to jump out of water by design is fine if you provide a means of exit, or design the map such that you can't access / fall into inescapable places in the first place. Every modern game considers /stuck obstacles with no means of escape to be bugs, such as a small area of water you can fall into AND have no means to jump / walk / climb / escape out of.

While OP added topics not in subject line title, he didnt call not being able to shoot on surface of water a bug either - he raised a complaint / comment about it being illogical if you can shoot under and out of water, but not on the surface. Apparently the kyrpotonite to this super-crossbow physics of W3 world where the bolt can travel high velocity in both atmosphere and liquid environments crashes to a halt at sea level.

Did you read the thread title? "Bug : Can't do various action in shallow water !
These are the actions listed:
- Not being able to jump out of a small area of water
- Not being able to shoot crossbow while swimming on surface

Now, if you had any comprehension of how people can respond to posts, you'd know that people can respond to select parts of the topic. The first one in this case is no doubt a bug, and should be fixed. I do not wish to address that. The 2nd part is not a bug, and that is all I wished to address.
So, if you want to be OP's lawyer, get him to consult with you to improve his thread titles and description in future posts.

 

[jacozilla]

Did you read the thread title? "Bug : Can't do various action in shallow water !
These are the actions listed:
- Not being able to jump out of a small area of water
- Not being able to shoot crossbow while swimming on surface

Now, if you had any comprehension of how people can respond to posts, you'd know that people can respond to select parts of the topic. The first one in this case is no doubt a bug, and should be fixed. I do not wish to address that. The 2nd part is not a bug, and that is all I wished to address.
So, if you want to be OP's lawyer, get him to consult with you to improve his thread titles and description in future posts.

Do you understand what a title is? It's an indicator of the main subject or topic within the text, not the only topic. You are insisting every topic the OP raised must be exactly in line with his title. Read a book with more than one chapter - explain why chapter 2 does not necessarily have to correspond to the book title.

The OP raised the main topic noted in his title but again I refer you to the important connective word AND that you conveniently continue to ignore. What he called a bug was "fallen into a small area of water AND been unable to jump out" - and pay attention now - with old save file as only means of escape.

Yes, you can respond to select topics - but that's not what you did. You responded to a select part of his sentence, completely ignoring the AND qualifier that called it a bug only because the inability to jump out of water led to a spot with no ability to escape by any means. As I pointed out, this kind of /stuck scenario is universally considered a bug in every single modern single player, multi-player, and MMO.

The other actions you note the OP listed:

-"not being able to shoot crossbow while swimming on surface" was a different topic, a different chapter if you will that did not nor does it need to tie into the exact subject line. You are again insisting because he merely talked about a different topic AND specifically did not call it a bug, but merely a complaint - that in your mind it must be the OP calling it a bug since that is what the title was.

It's worth noting again the most astonishing part of your reply here - so I will quote you in bold so there is no mistake - "you'd know that people can respond to select parts of the topic"

If a person raises 3 topics and you respond to only 1 of them, that is responding to a select topic. If in that one topic a person raised multiple points but you only respond to one of those points, again that's fine - you're just responding to a specific point of contention within that topic - that 1 point. So far so good.

But what you continue to confuse is selectively parsing HALF of a person's sentence and context to which he explains his complaint is about - the inability to jump out of water AND being unable to escape by any other means short of loading an old save file. Your response was to completely ignore the unable to escape by any means part and just proclaim that being unable to jump in water is game design.

 

[Exentryk]

Do you understand what a title is? [SNIP]

Man, you are really being annoying for no reason, and not really contributing to the topic at all. If you want to continue this further, just send me a pm.

To quickly address your post though, these are the OP words in the title and the first two lines:

BUG : Cant do various action in shallow water !

During my many many hours in this game I've come across several bugs and glitches, but the most annoying has to be the one where I cant do some thing because I'm in shallow water.​

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So, if you read those parts, it is clear the OP considers not being able to perform certain actions in water as the bug. However, the bug actually is getting trapped in certain small areas without being able to escape. Those areas may or may not have water. It could be that Geralt fell in some pit with no way to climb out. These things can be addressed by better level design. The aspect of not being able to perform certain actions is by design, and does not necessarily needs fixing. They can do so if they want, OR change the level design and modify the terrain, among other things, and that will resolve the problem as well.

Again, if you want to keep addressing my post, send me a pm.

 

[jacozilla]

Man, you are really being annoying for no reason, and not really contributing to the topic at all. If you want to continue this further, just send me a pm.

To quickly address your post though, these are the OP words in the title and the first two lines:

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So, if you read those parts, it is clear the OP considers not being able to perform certain actions in water as the bug. However, the bug actually is getting trapped in certain small areas without being able to escape. Those areas may or may not have water. It could be that Geralt fell in some pit with no way to climb out. These things can be addressed by better level design. The aspect of not being able to perform certain actions is by design, and does not necessarily needs fixing. They can do so if they want, OR change the level design and modify the terrain, among other things, and that will resolve the problem as well.

Again, if you want to keep addressing my post, send me a pm.

If you had sent a pm and said this, then I would have responded via pm. It's rather convenient to respond publicly, while at same time saying any public response by me must be by pm. Lead by example my friend, do as I say and not as I do never works well.

You are again selectively parsing the OPs statement - you quoted above exactly half his issue that corresponds to the title that you hold so dear.

You quoted half his statement and conveniently left out his very next sentence - "On several occasions I've fallen into a small area of water and been unable to jump out, I just keep getting the "You can't do that now" and I've had to load an older save file".

We are back to what he called a bug was inability to jump out of water AND leading to inescapable stuck condition needing save file. Unlike you I don't need to selectively interpret anything the OP said - I'm just reading his FULL statement, not just a part of it. Reasons matter - the reason he is trapped is because of the inability to jump out of water AND being stuck with no other means of escape. That full context is what he describes as the bug.

To paraphrase your ending - if you want to respond to my post, go ahead and respond. If you want to continue privately via pm, send a pm. But lead by example - don't be a hypocrite and do the very thing you tell me I should not do.