I mostly meant that Atari/Namco Bandai were most likely the ones who slapped DRM on the retail versions of The Witcher 2. Definitely not CDPR. It was all removed after patch 1.1, but I don't think that was very well received by their publishers. Still, we ended up with a retail copy DRM'ed for eternity. Later we all had a DRM-free GOG backup. And yes there were some legal issues between these companies and CDPR regarding distribution rights and whatnot.
I hope WB understands that sooner or later CDPR will remove the DRM because this is how they work, period. So no point in having a DRM'ed copy of TW3 in a retail disc that will only work on day one.
I would like to hear what WB has to say about this. Reds? What is the deal? Will WB publish TW3 in North America without DRM?
I hope WB understands that sooner or later CDPR will remove the DRM because this is how they work, period. So no point in having a DRM'ed copy of TW3 in a retail disc that will only work on day one.
I would like to hear what WB has to say about this. Reds? What is the deal? Will WB publish TW3 in North America without DRM?
You can demand all you want, but the Golden Rule applies: the publisher has the gold and makes the rules.
If Warner is smart and knows what CDPR's core market will and will not stand for, they will not enforce DRM. Warner isn't necessarily smart. This is the same company that escalates arguments over cable distribution fees into Cuban Missile Crisis incidents.
But you can't sell the game without a distributor, and CDPR isn't in a position to be distributor for North America.
If Warner is smart and knows what CDPR's core market will and will not stand for, they will not enforce DRM. Warner isn't necessarily smart. This is the same company that escalates arguments over cable distribution fees into Cuban Missile Crisis incidents.
But you can't sell the game without a distributor, and CDPR isn't in a position to be distributor for North America.
Not all of the video game publishing companies make the rules and they have to listen to the video game development company if they want to sell a video game from that video game development company. For example inXile partnered with Deep Silver to sell physical boxed versions of the PC version of Wasteland 2 at brick and mortar retailer stores inXile still has 100% full control over it Deep Silver does not only for marketing that is all.GuyN said:
Here read my topic on the inXile website forums.
After you read my topic scroll down and read my second comment I posted where I said I felt like a fool because I didn't see the part where inXile said they still have control over it whether Deep Silver can add Digital Rights Management (DRM) copy protection to the physical boxed version of Wasteland 2 sold at brick and mortar retailer stores.
http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4310
These are things that are bargained for, not things that are written in stone.
Whether CDPR can get Warner to agree to a no-DRM commitment is something that will be decided between CDPR's and Warner's negotiators. What inXile got Deep Silver to agree to is not relevant; it is what CDPR can get Warner to agree to that matters.
Warner Interactive alone is a $1 billion operation, with an established anti-piracy operation and policies. CDPR is one-twentieth its size. If Warner follows their usual pattern, they will spend something in the $30 to 40 millions to promote the game. That's not all that much less than CDPR's entire sales for 2013.
He who has the gold gets to make the rules. That doesn't mean Warner will enforce DRM or sue CDPR for circumventing it. But it does mean that these demands for "no DRM, or we won't buy" are quixotic.
Whether CDPR can get Warner to agree to a no-DRM commitment is something that will be decided between CDPR's and Warner's negotiators. What inXile got Deep Silver to agree to is not relevant; it is what CDPR can get Warner to agree to that matters.
Warner Interactive alone is a $1 billion operation, with an established anti-piracy operation and policies. CDPR is one-twentieth its size. If Warner follows their usual pattern, they will spend something in the $30 to 40 millions to promote the game. That's not all that much less than CDPR's entire sales for 2013.
He who has the gold gets to make the rules. That doesn't mean Warner will enforce DRM or sue CDPR for circumventing it. But it does mean that these demands for "no DRM, or we won't buy" are quixotic.
True. We have to wait and see what a employee at CD Projekt RED has to say about this. I hope CD Projekt RED said we don't want Digital Rights Management (DRM) on the physical boxed version of our video game and that Warner Bros. agreed to it. After-all we all know CD Projekt RED is against DRM.GuyN said:
Unless CDPR has already bargained with Warner Bros. about this, it's unlikely they will (or even should) make promises so early. You can bet your bum, though, that CDPR will be pushing for the Retail version to be released without DRM, and it's really more up to WB than to anyone else whether they'll succeed or not.Ballowers100 said:
What you said.CostinMoroianu said:
Also, the "loss" on who was to publish TW2 was only a partial loss, as the court also said that the contract had to be on the terms that CDPR had negotiated with THQ, not the terms that Namco Bandai had wanted. And given what happened later with THQ, it probably all turned out for the best anyway.
As has already been pointed out, whether or not there's DRM on the retail version of TW3 will depend on the specific contract negotiated between Warner and CDPR. As CDPR have built up a brand reputation based on DRM-Free, and as they have a lot more financial clout than a lot of developers, my guess is that this will be something they insist on, and that there won't be DRM. But it is just a guess, I could be wrong.
If WB *really* wants some kind of copy protection, I am honestly OK with CD Keys. Hell, even disc check. I'd rather have no DRM at all but these old school measures are really non invasive. Just no online activation, release date check, mandatory registration, account linking or whatever else.
If it is sold at a brick and mortar, it will have some form of DRM.Ballowers100 said:
Then again, I am buying from GOG, so what do I care
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