Yes I buy (DRM) free video games if the physical boxed version has no (DRM) I bought 1 copy of the physical boxed version of The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings Enhanced Edition, 1 copy off of http://www.gog.com/ and 1 copy off of Steam (I know Steam is (DRM) but since the physical boxed version is (DRM) free and http://www.gog.com/ is (DRM) free I bought it 3 times. If the physical boxed version still had (DRM) I would not of bought it off of http://www.gog.com/ and off of Steam at all.alextyc1 said:
I have not bought a single video game published by 2K Games since 2000 something, Activision since 2010, Bethesda Softworks since 2011 (I couldn't resist buying The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim but I will not support Bethesda Softworks anymore because of Steam requirment, Electronic Arts (EA) since 2010, Ubisoft since 2000 something and VALVe since 2012 (Counter-Strike: Global Offensive I bought last year but I will not support VALVe anymore because of the Steam requirements on the physical boxed versions of lots of video games like from 2K Games, Activision and Bethesda Softworks).
Just read my topic on the inXile website forums and how Deep Silver listens to inXile.slimgrin said:
Deeps Silver is a great publisher to me as of about 2 weeks ago when I heard the news.
Here's the link to my topic.
http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4310
After you read my topic click the NeoGAF link in my topic to read the full story.
Enjoy reading
/>/>/>. Deep Silver as a publisher will change your views on them and make you happy since they listen to the video game development company on how to sell their video game.Maybe CD Projekt RED should of gone with Deep Silver as a publisher? If The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt has (DRM) because of WB's contracts then maybe CD Projekt RED should get Deep Silver to publish Cyberpunk 2077?
These guys who published Risen 1-2? By common uninformed opinion of Gothic fans, those who turned Piranha Bytes into a group of morons capable of producing only games for the lowest common denominator? Well, the day CDPR signs contract with them will be the day of mourning for me.
Huh? Deep Silver has no control on inXile's development of Wasteland 2 at all only marketing and selling physical boxed versions of Wasteland 2 inXile said Deep Silver will not be allowed to add (DRM) to Wasteland 2 without inXile's permission Deep Silver accepted inXile's contract not inXile accepting Deep Silvers contract they both agreed to each others contracts 1 contract says you sell our video game with our control and we let you sell it for a certain amount of money for each copy sold.vivaxardas said:
So you should be happy they listened to inXile to sell (DRM) free physical boxed versions of Wasteland 2.
Good publisher? GOOD SODDING PUBLISHER?alextyc1 said:
You say that of the same sods who use Games for Windows Live for Batman and War in the North, among others, they can go fuck themselves as I see it.
I'd take EA any day over them. At least Origin runs in pretty much every country.
WB is a BIG publisher, with a BIG advertisement budget. CDPR are an independent company with a good reputation, and a great game that generated a lot of clout at E3. So CDPR is in a good position to negotiate, they are not some suckers who were hired by a publisher to develop a game. Majority of sales in NA will be on consoles anyway, so the issue of DRM on physical PC copies may be resolved peacefully, and to CDPR's and our satisfaction. Let's just wait and see how it plays out. But even if there will be DRM on disks, I would still think CDPR did everything they could to avoid it, and had to take this deal only out of necessity. As long as they provide free GOG copy alternative, it will be fine for the majority. We all want TW3 to be profitable, in order for CDPR to do well and make future games for us, don't we? Hard-core anti-DRM activists may be upset, but it is too soon to be upset now.
I disagree. I personally believe that if CDPR turns around and throws DRM on TW3, be it retail or otherwise, they are just taking their so called principles as a company and pissing on them. This does not apply to steam, since steam is a digital option. There is no option for retail unless perhaps the EU publisher does not put DRM and you import from there if you live in NA
You want to talk about future games? How about this notion then: I want to see games in the future without DRM on them. CDPR is about the only AAA developer out there that has taken a stance against DRM and I do not agree at all with them just pissing all of that away since it's a hell lot more import for the gaming industry to have that stance then any game that CDPR might make.
Let's not forget what kind DRM restrictions the first witcher game had when it came out, and the lawsuits CDPR had going against pirates in certain countries as well as their pre-order exclusive or collector's edition exclusive in-game items. I don't want to see any of that crap again.
Well, let's just say that if it is about (1) selling much more copies with WB even if it involves having DRM on a physical PC versions, while giving away free GOG DRM-free digital copies to those who purchase physical PC copies, or (2) going to a lesser publisher, taking a big hit money-wise, but having DRM-free physical PC copies, I would say that CDPR would be insane to take the second option. To take a hit just because of anti-DRM activism, given that they already are giving away DRM-free digital copies? I don't think so. Damn, why do people demand such great sacrifices from other people anyway? CDPR are already doing their part, but no, it is still not enough.
I don't want to see (DRM) on the physical boxed version of the PC version of The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt like CD Keys or Steam, Steam Works and I live in North America.CostinMoroianu said:
Same here I am against pre-order exclusives and collector's edition exclusive in-game items and I also hope CD Projekt RED don't do that again.
I guess it is a version of a statement that money are not the most important thing. Well, not for a company who is here to make them.CostinMoroianu said:
You know I am a environmental activist, thought I am very rational. Some of the guys I know are not so rational, so they are not above of blowing up factories for the glory of mother nature. If one of them tells you to quit using your car, change your diet, and other habits, because it causes an irreparable harm to nature, you would probably tell him to go romance a tree trunk, and leave you alone. We are not prepared to make too great sacrifices when our well-being is concerned, and even those who are sympathetic to environmentalists and honestly try to do everything they could, can't just go to the extremes. By my lights nobody has a right to demand it from them.
As far as I see, by giving away free GOG copies CDPR is already going above and beyond their call of duty as a business company. They adhere to their principles the best way they can allow themselves, and to demand more would be to place a far greater burden than warranted under the circumstances.
Assuming I agree with the premise that somehow them refusing to make a deal without ensuring retail had no DRM would give them less money. I disagree.
No they are not going above or beyond any call of duty. It's not even about principles since I remembered that CDPR themselves stated a while that TW3 would 100% DRM free. Sticking to your promise is not above any call of duty.
Personally I am of the belief the retail versions will be DRM free.
I am too. It seems the most reasonable from every perspective, and for everyone, be that CDPR or WB.CostinMoroianu said:
Personally, I don't want to be on-record in the forums that I'm OK with CDPR having DRM on the physical copies, or having any kind of in-game exclusives, or doing any of those things that distributers want but gamers don't.vivaxardas said:
It's valid for people to feedback that they don't like it. And if you don't mind, that's also valid feedback.
I'd rather that they got the feedback now, from both sides, than an uproar when it's too late to do anything. Eventually, they'll need to make their own commercial decisions, but their anti-DRM branding, and the goodwill that this has generated, needs to be recognised as a factor.
Eh, basically it boils down to this for me: DRM like Steam doesn't cost me any more money, it doesn't add any appreciable hassle to the process of installing or playing the game. My games will be available to me for years to come, as Steam is hardly going belly-up anytime soon. If that sort of DRM is the price of gaming, it's not a price that hurts me, and it's not a slippery slope - Steam's level of DRM hasn't changed a bit since when I first got it several years ago.
And thus, the choice. If CDPR needs to, for whatever reason, have Steam-level DRM for all copies of Witcher 3 during the initial relase period - if it's that or making far less money for their company, I'll happily accept the DRM. This is not a 'little bit of freedom don't deserve to have it' sort of crap. Origin, as much as I despised Mass Effect 3, was never a poor program. Games For Windows Live *is* the worst of DRM, mostly because it's very, very poorly executed. It's worked for me most of the time, with a rare hassle here and there. If TW3 has GFWL, I'll be irritated, but it's by no means a dealbreaker. CDPR is bringing us the best stories in gaming right now. Steam is a price I'll pay for that without a second thought, and GFWL, while irksome - I'd rather bite the bullet and get the awesome content.
A coda - I see many users bash Steam as DRM on this forum. I've come to understand that for international gamers, Steam is more of an issue due to region lockouts and other such garbage. What do users in the USA have against Steam, though? I own over 100 Steam games and regional stuff has never been an issue, and it's not like Steam denies access to games if it's down (and it rarely goes down), you can just log in on offline mode. They offer exceptional sales week-to-week and every 6 months the like of which have only recently been matched by secondary e-tailers. Is it just the 'principle' of being anti-DRM? What extra hassle does Steam really cause for USA users? There's the legends of the one-in-a-million user who gets their account randomly locked out or deleted or somesuch, but I can count the stories like that which I've seen on one hand. My hard drive is more likely to randomly go kaput that for Steam to wipe my account off the face of the earth. Even if you don't use Steam's excellent in-game overlay features (chatting is essential, as my dad and brother and friends are all gamers), I really don't get the repeated hate for the poster child of Gaben.
Honestly, I would *hate* to have all my stuff on a physical disc, and I grew up having everything that way - CDs, movies, games, everything on discs or older formats until I was 18. I wouldn't go back in a second - that would be such a hassle to store all of that pointless physical media, just for the occasional glitz of a collector's edition! And this coming from a guy who grew up in awe of his father's literal wall of classic PC-game. Some of my first memories of father are him teaching me how to play Achtung Spitfire! and Heroes of Might and Magic II, and trying to reach the Heroes II golden box on the shelf to leaf through the laminated creature guide. But those days are done. Physical PC games are nostalgia-only at this point, with the incredibly rare exception of something badass like the Geralt medallion or bust - but CDPR, I don't want to buy your collector's edition! Offer your gamer swag individually and I'll pay top dollar in an online store, the physical game is superfluous! You know how many of my friends are Witcher fans and would totally buy a Witcher medallion or a Geralt action figure or bust? None of them are going to be hunting down the CE online, though. Anyways, back to the main point - I'm genuinely interested to see why people for whom region lockouts are not an issue still dislike Steam. People say 'it's just a lease' - but hey, it's a damn long lease. Will I still be playing any of the games I own now in 10 years? Maybe 1% of them. If that. The only games from 10+ years which I still actually play from time to time are Heroes II and Age of Mythology - and that's cuz I didn't like any of the sequels that much, otherwise I would've moved on the Heroes VI or whatever. By the time any kids I might have are old enough for The Witcher, it'll be *decades* from now. If we're lucky, there'll be a Witcher reboot for them to play, or the series will keep going as strong as Mario or Zelda. Valve's been alive since the 90's, and they've never been more popular than they are now. My PROFESSOR, who knows nothing about video games, referenced the song at the end of Portal, for chrissakes. My point being, the facts as they appear to me are thus:
1. Valve and therefore Steam ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon.
2. Steam, at least for the USA, offers excellent features and the only hassle of having to type a password in for a few seconds every couple weeks, and the rare update to the service itself.
3. Steam has great prices and third-party retailers can sell their keys for bottom-of-the-barrel prices. Consumer epic win.
And thus, the choice. If CDPR needs to, for whatever reason, have Steam-level DRM for all copies of Witcher 3 during the initial relase period - if it's that or making far less money for their company, I'll happily accept the DRM. This is not a 'little bit of freedom don't deserve to have it' sort of crap. Origin, as much as I despised Mass Effect 3, was never a poor program. Games For Windows Live *is* the worst of DRM, mostly because it's very, very poorly executed. It's worked for me most of the time, with a rare hassle here and there. If TW3 has GFWL, I'll be irritated, but it's by no means a dealbreaker. CDPR is bringing us the best stories in gaming right now. Steam is a price I'll pay for that without a second thought, and GFWL, while irksome - I'd rather bite the bullet and get the awesome content.
A coda - I see many users bash Steam as DRM on this forum. I've come to understand that for international gamers, Steam is more of an issue due to region lockouts and other such garbage. What do users in the USA have against Steam, though? I own over 100 Steam games and regional stuff has never been an issue, and it's not like Steam denies access to games if it's down (and it rarely goes down), you can just log in on offline mode. They offer exceptional sales week-to-week and every 6 months the like of which have only recently been matched by secondary e-tailers. Is it just the 'principle' of being anti-DRM? What extra hassle does Steam really cause for USA users? There's the legends of the one-in-a-million user who gets their account randomly locked out or deleted or somesuch, but I can count the stories like that which I've seen on one hand. My hard drive is more likely to randomly go kaput that for Steam to wipe my account off the face of the earth. Even if you don't use Steam's excellent in-game overlay features (chatting is essential, as my dad and brother and friends are all gamers), I really don't get the repeated hate for the poster child of Gaben.
Honestly, I would *hate* to have all my stuff on a physical disc, and I grew up having everything that way - CDs, movies, games, everything on discs or older formats until I was 18. I wouldn't go back in a second - that would be such a hassle to store all of that pointless physical media, just for the occasional glitz of a collector's edition! And this coming from a guy who grew up in awe of his father's literal wall of classic PC-game. Some of my first memories of father are him teaching me how to play Achtung Spitfire! and Heroes of Might and Magic II, and trying to reach the Heroes II golden box on the shelf to leaf through the laminated creature guide. But those days are done. Physical PC games are nostalgia-only at this point, with the incredibly rare exception of something badass like the Geralt medallion or bust - but CDPR, I don't want to buy your collector's edition! Offer your gamer swag individually and I'll pay top dollar in an online store, the physical game is superfluous! You know how many of my friends are Witcher fans and would totally buy a Witcher medallion or a Geralt action figure or bust? None of them are going to be hunting down the CE online, though. Anyways, back to the main point - I'm genuinely interested to see why people for whom region lockouts are not an issue still dislike Steam. People say 'it's just a lease' - but hey, it's a damn long lease. Will I still be playing any of the games I own now in 10 years? Maybe 1% of them. If that. The only games from 10+ years which I still actually play from time to time are Heroes II and Age of Mythology - and that's cuz I didn't like any of the sequels that much, otherwise I would've moved on the Heroes VI or whatever. By the time any kids I might have are old enough for The Witcher, it'll be *decades* from now. If we're lucky, there'll be a Witcher reboot for them to play, or the series will keep going as strong as Mario or Zelda. Valve's been alive since the 90's, and they've never been more popular than they are now. My PROFESSOR, who knows nothing about video games, referenced the song at the end of Portal, for chrissakes. My point being, the facts as they appear to me are thus:
1. Valve and therefore Steam ain't goin' anywhere anytime soon.
2. Steam, at least for the USA, offers excellent features and the only hassle of having to type a password in for a few seconds every couple weeks, and the rare update to the service itself.
3. Steam has great prices and third-party retailers can sell their keys for bottom-of-the-barrel prices. Consumer epic win.
The only bad thing about even some drm in W3 is because Cdpr have been painted themselves as the poster child of the fight against drm.
Ballowers, you are one dedicated and crazy guy. I salute you while staring oddly.
As for Steam, I've said it before. Worst thing against them is how you don't truly own your games. I found myself in a very hacked match in Red Orchestra 2 a few days after release. My game had me at max level and all that so I quickly uninstalled the game and never touched it again out of fear for my library. Other than a few quirks here and there I like Steam pretty well.
Ballowers, you are one dedicated and crazy guy. I salute you while staring oddly.
As for Steam, I've said it before. Worst thing against them is how you don't truly own your games. I found myself in a very hacked match in Red Orchestra 2 a few days after release. My game had me at max level and all that so I quickly uninstalled the game and never touched it again out of fear for my library. Other than a few quirks here and there I like Steam pretty well.