CD Projekt RED, please don't take money from Nvidia, I'll give them to you.

[volsung]

You guys realize PhysX is always used for cosmetic elements, and it does not affect actual gameplay, right? It's just a difference on whether those wolves will seem to have slightly more realistic or thicker fur, or whether those waves follow somewhat believable laws of fluid dynamics. Nothing like that affects your gaming experience.

Also, what was CDPR supposed to do? Tell Nvidia "Thanks, but no thanks. There are some gamers out there with AMD cards"? If they offer actual support in implementing cool features, well then props go to Nvidia and complaints go to AMD. They might have chosen Havok, for example, but again, Nvidia is very supportive in these matters. If AMD knocked at their door and offered support in implementing some exclusive physics engine they had, and Nvidia didn't, then you couldn't blame them for working with AMD.

If any of you AMD people really don't want to miss out on some extra fur and some water drops, then get a cheaper mid-low range Nvidia card just for PhysX.

 

[Aver]

I am the least bit concerned, better to have superior visuals on 1 company's GPUs than none at all. The very company, might I add is used by 52% PCs gamers as opposed to AMD's 32.

Well, there are also 100% of consoles users. It's just that other companies have similar effects (not including fur effect) and they work for everyone consoles users, PC users regardless of hardware and they are better optimized because they don't require GPU (that will be already overloaded with graphics), they use CPU advanced physics and CPU are heavily underused these days.

Some people are saying that CDPR is too poor to develop such things, but they often talk in business media how much money company has, so money is not a problem. Maybe there are other obstacles, like they might have problems with hiring talented enough programmers, after all there are a lot of developers in Poland right now that fight for best specialists. I just hope that they will overcome difficulties in the future and make engine that has beautiful effects for everyone, not for minority.

 

[Sirnaq]

It's either use tech of one company or don't use any tech. Better stick with dx9 huh?

Spoiler

You will be able to play witcher3 on any gaming pc regardless of what gpu you have.

Spoiler

If you have high end pc, the game will look gorgeous on high settings no matter what gpu you have.

 

[chiefje]

It's either use tech of one company or don't use any tech. Better stick with dx9 huh?

You are missing an option; Use tech that does not differentiate between GPU brands?

I do believe we will get a game that runs great on both brands of GPU's, I just don't like it that people with Nvidia GPU's get better graphics because they have an Nvidia card. It seems weird to do such a thing, even though a lot of other games have been doing it already. I remember Tomb Raider to have AMD tech, which didn't run very well on Nvidia cards for example. Shouldn't companies push for tech that is undifferentiating so that all customers get the best possible experience?

 

[sidspyker]

It's just that other companies have similar effects (not including fur effect)

Which effects exactly are you talking about? The only Nvidia specific effects would be - Fur tech, TXAA, HBAO+ and the usual. I'm pretty sure that video is titled Nvidia effects because it was shown in the nvidia conference and not because all those things are exclusive to Nvidia.

 

[seekerm.680]

It would be nice if CD Project Red would list effects which need GPU-PhysX (fur, cloth?, fog?).

 

[username_3581677]

But what is the point of faster driver releases when you can buy 290X for $550 or Titan for 1000$ and have the same performance. Those drivers aren't worth 450$

/>. Similar situation is on lower tiers.

Also part about drivers is outdated. AMD now releases drivers as often as Nvidia, but they release them as Beta drivers. Probably to not bother normal users with updates every week.



I think that he just means that it's disappointing when developer make game that provides inferior experience for customers that don't use hardware made by developer's partner. I'm also disappointed, as AMD user, but I got over it. Still it's kinda disappointing that out of all developers its CDPR that went this road, because I like them.

Have you seen how hot that 290x runs and how loud it is here is a video that all should enjoy on this subject
http://www.youtube.c...h?v=u5YJsMaT_AE lmao

I give credit the 290x is good card because of price but Nvidia is releasing a GTX780TI, GTX780TI black edition and a GTX780GHZ editiopn all in the next few weeks....
so AMD held the fastest single GPU title for a whole big 30 days....lol.

Price has been dropped on NVIDIA cards and The new 780TI card will only be 700 and will destroy the 290x. ALl the while doing it quietly, much much cooler and using less energy.


the one other advantage is the new crossfire from AMD. Scales better than SLI for the first time ever. So again using mulitple cards and using water fore cooling the 290x becomes a viable option. that said you still need to spend as much as an Nvidia card time you get it set up for water cooling., Otherwise as has been proven that 290x will throttle due to excessive heat

 

[seekerm.680]

Have you seen how hot that 290x runs and how loud it is here is a video that all should enjoy on this subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE lmao

I gove credit the 290x is good card because of price but Nvidia is releasing a GTX780TI, GTX780TI black edition and a GTX780GHZ editiopn all in the next few weeks....
so AMD held the fastest single GPU title for a whole big 30 days....lol.

Price has been dropped on NVIDIA cards and The new 780TI card will only be 700 and will destroy the 290x. ALl the while doing it quietly, much much cooler and using less energy.


the one other advantage is the new crossfire from AMD. Scales better than SLI for the first time ever. So again using mulitple cards and using water fore cooling the 290x becomes a viable option. that said you still need to spend as much as an Nvidia card time you get it set up for water cooling., Otherwise as has been proven that 290x will throttle due to excessive heat

I have to disagree since all the cards you mentioned just now are not new at all. All of them are using GK110 with different clockspeed, which was introduced with Titan/780.

 

[TheRedanian]

I laugh at people who think PhysX is actually worth shit.

Play some other games for a change, you'll understand how utterly stupid PhysX is compared to the performance drop and limited availability.

 

[username_3581677]

I have to disagree since all the cards you mentioned just now are not new at all. All of them are using GK110 with different clockspeed, which was introduced with Titan/780.

You are rig ht and wrong on the following point "it is the same GK110". It is a Revised second generation card. a B2 stepping. The new cards are not the same GK110 as a result. This second gen revised chip is much more efficient. The GTX 780ti card gets released on NOV6. here are the specs

http://videocardz.co...2880-cuda-cores

here are Benchmarks

http://videocardz.co...nchmarks-leaked


The Black Edition will have either 6 or 12 gigs of vram

the 290x vs standard 780ti with 3g of vram does do about the same as the new ti at 4k but anything lower and it gets stomped on.\

The Gigabyte 780 GHZ is already in stores(albeit very few thus far) and is about 6 percent better than the 290x

 

[username_3581677]

I laugh at people who think PhysX is actually worth shit.

Play some other games for a change, you'll understand how utterly stupid PhysX is compared to the performance drop and limited availability.

So you think having any physic type effects is "shit"...................I laugh at you then HA HA HA HA HA!!!

I enjoy physics in games,

I like PHYSX, Havok, etc........

The reason it is limited is because AMD refuses Nvidias offer to use it......

Here is a great article on AMD , NviDia , Physx , havok, Intel etc......
http://www.extremete...-cuda-and-physx
Most of you think CUDA is a closed system. It is not. It is free to all including AMD, NVIDA has rights to it and can lead the way but it is free to all. SO not entirely open but close enough, there for Physx can be used on amd cards if they wrote cuda code for their cards, Then payed the fair licensing fees to NVidia. After all they pay Havok which is owned by Intel.
So for mere pennies per gpu AMD could have physx and cuda cost them nothing.....
AMD wanted to buy AEGIA but Nvidia had the cash(amd didn't) If AMD bought physx first I guarantee it would not be free and open and all the AMD fanboys would push it as the best thing since sliced bread.....hypocrites.....just like mantle....Mantle is not open like many of you think......the tech is sure, but nvdia would have to license GCN 2 to use it.......

BTW I do not really laugh you.......really i feel sorry for you as you seem uniformed on the truth......I hope I enlightened you some what on the subject.

 

[seekerm.680]

You are rig ht and wrong on the following point "it is the same GK110". It is a Revised second generation card. a B2 stepping. The new cards are not the same GK110 as a result. This second gen revised chip is much more efficient. The GTX 780ti card gets released on NOV6. here are the specs

http://videocardz.co...2880-cuda-cores

here are Benchmarks

http://videocardz.co...nchmarks-leaked


The Black Edition will have either 6 or 12 gigs of vram


the 290x vs standard 780ti with 3g of vram does do about the same as the new ti at 4k but anything lower and it gets stomped on.\

The Gigabyte 780 GHZ is already in stores(albeit very few thus far) and is about 6 percent better than the 290x

Those are speculations + does seem like a fake since Kepler-Architecture itself does not support DirectX 11.2....
Additionally even according to your links GTX780Ti does consume more power than Radeon 290X does..
B1-Stepping is a rumor until evidences are provided to begin with. At the end the only thing we know for sure is, that GK110 is used for Titan (14-SMX-Units active), GTX780(13-SMX-Units active) and GTX780TI(probably 14-SMX-Units active).

Lets stop that useless discussion. I am sure CD Project Red will provide the same experience on all platforms as was mentioned long ago.

However would be nice to know what effects depends on GPU-PhysX.

 

[CostinRaz]

Shouldn't companies push for tech that is undifferentiating so that all customers get the best possible experience?

Companies that actually want to make the best possible experience will always differentiate between customeers based on their hardware. Witcher 3 is DX11 and 64 bit only after all.

Quality does come at a cost, and no there is no other alternative for hair and fur ( TressFX is a pathetic laughable shit ).

 

[username_3581677]

Those are speculations + does seem like a fake since Kepler-Architecture itself does not support DirectX 11.2....
Additionally even according to your links GTX780Ti does consume more power than Radeon 290X does..
B1-Stepping is a rumor until evidences are provided to begin with. At the end the only thing we know for sure is, that GK110 is used for Titan (14-SMX-Units active), GTX780(13-SMX-Units active) and GTX780TI(probably 14-SMX-Units active).

Lets stop that useless discussion. I am sure CD Project Red will provide the same experience on all platforms as was mentioned long ago.

However would be nice to know what effects depends on GPU-PhysX.

Only a few days to go......and it will not be speculation. That said. I have always enjoyed both brands. I mainly use Nvidia these days though.I used to be an AMD guy for processors but lets face it for high end stuff they just do not cut it any more. I am digging their new APUs though. A great cheap alternative and in a few more generations should really come alive.

 

[Aver]

Companies that actually want to make the best possible experience will always differentiate between customeers based on their hardware. Witcher 3 is DX11 and 64 bit only after all.

Quality does come at a cost, and no there is no other alternative for hair and fur ( TressFX is a pathetic laughable shit ).

Well you are saying that hair physics engine that wasn't ever used in real game is better than hair physics that was already used in game and did it without huge performance cost. Also you are praising physics that made 1000$ video card struggle with 2 wolfs and nothing else on the screen. You are not biased at all.

Which effects exactly are you talking about? The only Nvidia specific effects would be - Fur tech, TXAA, HBAO+ and the usual. I'm pretty sure that video is titled Nvidia effects because it was shown in the nvidia conference and not because all those things are exclusive to Nvidia.

If that will be the case then I won't care, because I'm not interested in fur, TXAA or HBAO. Fur looks cool, but it has same effect as TressFX - those wolfs looks like someone just shampooed their fur. But I mainly don't care because for now performance is so bad, that I wouldn't use it even if I had nvidia cards. But I actually doubt that it will be just a fur.

 

[Sirnaq]

I'll just leave it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdMaFWGLxKE

 

[sidspyker]

Well you are saying that hair physics engine that wasn't ever used in real game is better than hair physics that was already used in game and did it without huge performance cost. Also you are praising physics that made 1000$ video card struggle with 2 wolfs and nothing else on the screen. You are not biased at all.

Without huge performance cost? Now I'm all for an open standard but it came at a great cost, only Lara's shampoo hair had the effect and it costed enough performance considering it was just 1 character.

If that will be the case then I won't care, because I'm not interested in fur, TXAA or HBAO. Fur looks cool, but it has same effect as TressFX - those wolfs looks like someone just shampooed their fur. But I mainly don't care because for now performance is so bad, that I wouldn't use it even if I had nvidia cards. But I actually doubt that it will be just a fur.

That will be the case as far as I know. All the other things are pretty standard. And CDPR themselves said that the furtech demo that was shown is very old(and it is, this wasn't the first time it was shown) but what they're using isn't the same old thing.

DSOGaming: A couple of days ago, Nvidia showcased its Fur Tech that will be featured in The Witcher 3. The performance, though, was underwhelming. Are you guys working with Nvidia to optimize the PhysX effects, and will you be using the PhysX 3.0 SDK?GR: The Fur Tech showcase presented recently is only an early version of a feature we are working on in cooperation with Nvidia. We will definitely put more effort into optimizing it as well as improving its visual quality. We are still quite far from release, so I believe we will achieve a satisfactory level of performance.And yes, we will use the PhysX 3.x SDK.

http://www.dsogaming...l-illumination/

To me it seems logical that they're gonna create an amazing looking game and provide some extra bells and whistles for Nvidia cards like the current games are doing such as HBAO+, Soft shadowing, TXAA, and GPU Physx enabled effects which is basically realistic effects and obviously the fur tech. Keep in mind that the game is using Physx3 SDK as the middleware instead of Havok, so other then Nvidia exclusive effects(which are TXAA and GPU acc Physx) it won't matter whether it's AMD or Nvidia, atleast that's how I understand it. A lot of people confuse GPU accelerated physx with the physx SDK's other uses.

For example, I'm playing Batman Arkham Origins with my AMD card and other than GPU accelerated Physx and TXAA options all the other Nvidia features work fine and the game has quite a bit of them.

• NVIDIA HBAO+ Occlusion
• NVIDIA Percentage Closer Soft Shadows
• NVIDIA-Enhanced DirectX 11 Tessellation
• NVIDIA GPU-Accelerated PhysX Effects
• NVIDIA TXAA Anti-Aliasing
• NVIDIA Depth of Field

 

[FoggyFishburne]

I'll just leave it here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdMaFWGLxKE

Holy shit.

This is... interesting. To say the least It looks great. And to think, in 10 years time, I'm sure that'll be the standard. Good times await us in the future.

 

[SercaNesrin]

What do you think about the AMD's new API called Mantle CD Projekt Red? I'm not a programmer but the advantages seems to be interesting.

 

[TheRedanian]

Fur tech, Fish A.I.

WOW, the new generation gaming's future looks really bright. Along with the gamers but they are the brightest. Bright people who buy into a company's money making gimmicky bullcrap.