In im not wrong mmo's are counted as service? And other games you mentioned are also utilizing service like steam or GFWL and there is proper warning on box about that.freakie1one said:
I haven't played the particular games (or the one game, as The Witcher 2 is a singleplayer only game and no MMO), but personally I don't remember one single game where patches needed a registration.They were always available as retail downloads and didn't require entering a key or logging into an account during the patch process.freakie1one said:
Supreme Commander and Forged Alliance both have a pretty extensive single player campaign but you still need CD key inserted or when you go to update it will say "invalid cd key" and close the update process. There is no warning on the box about this because I have the box in my hand right now looking at it. And I've played several hundred games in the last 20 years and I know there have been many other games that do the same thing. I point this out because GODzilla was saying that CDPR is the first company to do this "no update without valid CD key" method and that simpy is not true.mythdragon said:
Any Bioware game (DA:O, DA2, ME, ME2).Regarding the main theme, I'm not sure if a registration requirement or a CD key (for addicional content) could be considered DRM. From the DRM Wiki articule: "The term is used to describe any technology that inhibits uses of digital content that is not desired or intended by the content provider. The term does not generally refer to other forms of copy protection, which can be circumvented without modifying the file or device, such as serial numbers or keyfiles." So, maybe yes, another layer of control, but not DRM. There speculation in other thread if maybe the GOG versión has the DRM file but innactive (no proofs by the moment)Im not a big fan of registration (always though how awful can be if an offline customer buy the game without knowing this part) but again its not a big deal to me.
There is no harm in registering your game. If you have a problem with it then I guess you get no updates or DLC.Your acting like this is that god offal always online DRM Ubisoft had with Splinter Cell Conviction.(I own it and It only ever knocked me out of playing one time for like 1 min.)Your claiming CDPR did something underhanded? They didn't.This isn't a form of DRM like you claim and no one will have any issue with it if they register their game.
@Sweeper41: Thank you 
Many products have an optional product registration. In fact, almost everything you buy nowdays comes with a product registration card. Hair dryer, toaster, appliances, etc. can all be registered if you so desire. It's nothing new and CDPR definitely isn't the first to do so.
Many products have an optional product registration. In fact, almost everything you buy nowdays comes with a product registration card. Hair dryer, toaster, appliances, etc. can all be registered if you so desire. It's nothing new and CDPR definitely isn't the first to do so.Not true. Any of these games can be patched without you being logged in or the game being registered. I own these games.What you mean is DLC.DevilsAdvocate said:
So tell me: When I register my copy of the game to my account here, what will happen when I see this game? The new owner does not possess any information of my account, thus he cannot log into it.Can the game be registered to a new account? I doubt it. So the new owner is inhibited in using portions of the game, namely the updates. And not getting updates for a game that is potentially bugged is not good to put it politely...DevilsAdvocate said:
But there is NO option. When the game has bugs - and show me a game without bugs these days - you will need the patches. If you need patches, you need to registered.How is this optional?DLCs are optional. News are optional. But not patches for a potentially bugged game...DevilsAdvocate said:@Sweeper41: Thank you
About warning on box, I had in mid that it warns you that game utilize gfwl or steam, counted as online services.I just googled and I found patches to this game that you can download straight from thq site.freakie1one said:
This IS drm, it makes used copy less value.freakie1one said:
Yep, you can download the patches alright, but unless you have entered the CD key the patch will not work. It will say "invalid CD key" and close the patcher. So you can't patch the game without first registering it with a CD key.mythdragon said:
OK, non-native speaker, so maybe I missunderstanding something. I'm an owner of these games to, and you need to register in order to get access to the patches (and DLC, for granted). I suppouse u can found the patches elsewhere, but the same will be true for TW2 eventually.GODzilla said:
So unless your selling this to a friend I don't believe any store like Gamestops takes PC games as a trade in.I have heard of some internet sites that do but I wouldn't trust them.Remember you can have it installed in up to 5 PC's at once so if you feel like sharing I guess you could with your friends.Honestly if your that tore up about this maybe you should wait an see if they port it to the consoles.mythdragon said:
Steam is not the issue here. If the game had Steam or GfWL then these limitations would've been long known. But they were not, not before this "April FAQ update".
Hmm, so your main issue is that you feel betrayed by CDPR because you think they should have announced earlier their method of patching a game that isn't even out yet? If that's not it then I'm lost :/GODzilla said:
Do this cdkey is reusable? Or it is sicked to your account forever? If first, there is no problem.freakie1one said:
Point is, I don't like when somone makes fool of me. Saying no drm blabla bla and then throw it in your face.freakie1one said:
Yeah, well, I suppose this whole thread is pointless since we don't know how their registration works. We don't know if it's going to simply have you insert the CD key like most other games (which puts it into your associated games folder in the Windows registry) and then allows you to update your game and download DLC, etc. Or is it linked to an online account that only one person can use? Or can the same key be used for multiple accounts? This is all only speculation and once again people are assuming the worst without knowing the facts.RavenGr said:
Basically, yes. And I give you another hint: I pre-ordered the GOG version.freakie1one said:
Guess what they said about any form of DRM...Well, lets hope it works similar to most any other game that requires a cd key and the game simply adds a value to your Windows registry. If so, this isn't DRM and we can all be happyGODzilla said:Basically, yes. And I give you another hint: I pre-ordered the GOG version.GODzilla said:
If not, someone will sue gog, with a good chances to win. And I don't want that to happen.freakie1one said:Well, lets hope it works similar to most any other game that requires a cd key and the game simply adds a value to your Windows registry. If so, this isn't DRM and we can all be happyfreakie1one said:Basically, yes. And I give you another hint: I pre-ordered the GOG version.freakie1one said: