CD Projekt To Stop Legal Threats

[dragoonlordz]

I still say that if it's possible they should bug pirated copies.

They need to do something on the whole as industry because I am getting sick and tired of people stealing a "copy" of other peoples products which was made with hard work and vast devotion to it's creation simply because it's easy and they can. Regardless of any nonsense excuses they come up with for doing it or moaning and crying over potentially being caught and fined while hiding behind the microscopic risk that someone, sometime; somewhere may get fined by mistake of which would need to dispute.

Regardless of fact I think they caved into pressure from a very small tiny group of people moaning about it, I will continue to support CDP-R by continuing to buy their products and DLC/expansions despite this.

 

[CostinRaz]

Well thank God we have more reasonable people then you determining that.

 

[Dona.794]

clapping Iorveth fukken saved

Yup, I like how he does it with enthusiasm of a dead slug, very fitting the current hot topic of piracy and whatnot.

If you check my sig, I published a folder with all of my TW2 .gifs. Yeaaaah! /self-promo before lockdown

 

[gregski]

What did another company say about piracy? One that has games being constantly pirated, oh yeah Blizzard.

"We don't give a shit."

Yep, and right after that they made WoW, where you have to be always online to play.

From the other news, maybe you've heard about a (mostly)SINGLE PLAYER game called Diablo 3, that is coming out this year. Well, guess what, it is also ALWAYS ONLINE game, but not because of getting rid of pirate scum, nooo, it's probably because it has an online auction house...oh, and it's SINGLE PLAYER too.

Yep, they don't give a shit about pirates. Anyone else alike.

 

[CostinRaz]

Yep, they don't give a shit about pirates. Anyone else alike.

What they're doing with Diablo 3 has more to do with the Auction House then anything else, to make sure no one abuses the system. What's to stop people from going offline mode, using cheats or third party programs to give themselves an awesome weapon or to beat a boss very easily, then come back online and put the gear on auction house?

But I guess you never heard of Starcraft 2 have you? Yes it has online activation when you install, but once you do you can play it offline all the hell you want.

And Starcraft 2 was cracked on Day One of release.

As for Diablo 3. LOL, the last thing I would say about any Diablo game is that they are singleplayer affairs, they sure as hell are not. They can be if one wishes but a lot people played a lot online.

I've been playing Blizzard games for a long time, Warcraft 1 to be precise. They've never enforced a strong DRM system before SC2 and even SC2 was just an activation system then anything else.

When I said that Blizzard don't give a shit, it wasn't meant to say they ignore it. They don't, but they think it's better to take an intelligent approach to the matter then "Oh look I'm going to sue pirates" or "I'm going to make this unbreakable DRM!".

 

[Jackinthegreen.152]

Poor CDPR, no matter what you do, you can never please everybody, but my love for you remains unchanged.



clapping Iorveth fukken saved

I LOVE them too, what annoys me is that this doesn't solve the problem AT ALL. People that applaud this are just asking CDP to keep taking the bullets while unnarmed...

 

[CostinRaz]

I LOVE them too, what annoys me is that this doesn't solve the problem AT ALL. People that applaud this are just asking CDP to keep taking the bullets while unnarmed..

The solution CDPR was applying wasn't working either. In some countries it would work yes, but not all, and most certainly not those with the highest piracy rates. The countries we are talking about have in fact low piracy rates.

 

[dragoonlordz]

The solution CDPR was applying wasn't working either. In some countries it would work yes, but not all, and most certainly not those with the highest piracy rates. The countries we are talking about have in fact low piracy rates.

So because it has limited success and not 100% complete success your solution is for them to bend over and take it? If I am wrong then enlighten me with your perfect 100% solution because as far as I am concerned doing something with some potential success is far better than doing nothing at all with no chance of success. This situation of massive piracy of products people invested time and hard work into has zero chance of success if the preference is to stick your head in the sand and shrug it off as not your problem while at the same time shooting down every possible solution people come up with, it was still a potential solution that has more chance of success than doing nothing.

 

[Jackinthegreen.152]

The solution CDPR was applying wasn't working either. In some countries it would work yes, but not all, and most certainly not those with the highest piracy rates. The countries we are talking about have in fact low piracy rates.

I agree with you in the case of the underdeveloped countries, where the original copies are hugely overpriced or not available at all. But that's not the case we're talking about here.

I think this would ve worked in Europe, where people have a good average income, and plenty of alternatives to piracy (buying used games, games on sale, etc). The purpose of it was not to ban piracy for ever, but to take some money back from pirates and establish a deterrent effect by making some examplary economic punishment

 

[gregski]

What they're doing with Diablo 3 has more to do with the Auction House then anything else, to make sure no one abuses the system.

Yeah, right. They probably don't give a shit about people that pirate the game - for free - and then go and sell their items in the auction house - for real money.

But I guess you never heard of Starcraft 2 have you? Yes it has online activation when you install, but once you do you can play it offline all the hell you want.

It is not going to be the case with Diablo 3, you have to be ALWAYS ONLINE to play it single player.

 

[CostinRaz]

Yes my solution is for them to bend over and take the piracy hit, you know why?

Because as much as you might compare piracy to stealing, it is not the same as stealing a car. A car is something you need, a game is a source of fun and this is optional.

A lot of people hate and I do mean REALLY hate DRM, but out of those people a lot hate what CDPR was doing here, thus they would not only lose potential fans and buyers but existing ones as well. Other forums I was checking before the game was release had people very pissed at this, people who had bought legitimate copies of the game, some of them even multiple copies and some of them who felt CDPR was pissing at them with this.

I know it's not how you view, nor how I view it, nor did I really give a damn about this matter, but others do and it did put CDPR in a negative light.

You CAN'T FIGHT piracy. People have been fighting thieves for over five thousand years, did thieves cease to exist? hell no.

Yeah, right. They probably don't give a shit about people that pirate the game - for free - and then go and sell their items in the auction house - for real money.

Uhm you would need a legit copy to access the auction house in the first place seeing as you need to connect to battle.net

I take you never really played Diablo 2 online? People used cheats to get high powered characters there and then went online with those. How do you think honest players felt?

It is not going to be the case with Diablo 3, you have to be ALWAYS ONLINE to play it single player.

Read up.

But that's not the case we're talking about here.

As I've said all you would end up doing is getting a lot of people pissed.

Imagine the situation when someone would be found innocent after being dragged to the court by CDPR. No legal system is perfect so it's a certainty someone would have that happen to them, and when it did it would be very bad for CDPR from a PR perspective.

As a young company I'd argue their priority should be to try and please their existing fans and get new ones, not piss some of them off.

 

[Garrison72]

close to lockdown.

 

[gregski]

Because as much as you might compare piracy to stealing, it is not the same as stealing a car. A car is something you need, a game is a source of fun and this is optional.

And still the same game is a source of money that pays peoples salaries, which then pay their bills and feed their kids, you know? What is so hard to understand about it?

You CAN'T FIGHT piracy. People have been fighting thieves for over five thousand years, did thieves cease to exist? hell no.

Sorry, can't do anything but facepalm on this one.

 

[CostinRaz]

Sorry, can't do anything but facepalm on this one.

Yeah well facepalm all you want, not going to change a fact. There are very dedicated people out there hacking games, the irony is they buy all the games they hack, hell they even go to great lengths to get them as fast as they can.

Ubisoft tried to stop piracy and look how well THAT turned out with a lot of people being very angry at them and the hackers just laughing their asses off when they hacked the game. Name one single situation where companies have very strongly stood against piracy and it has ever made a dent in games being pirated, a SINGLE one. Even something as extremist as SOPA won't change the situation.

WoW? A game designed to be played only online which has thousands of private servers? Hell piracy worked in Blizzard's favor on that since a lot of people that started out on those servers and who loved the game moved to buy legit copies.

I am not talking of possible situations where someone somewhere invents a solution to piracy, I talk about facts. Companies have fought against piracy for a very long time and they haven't won.

 

[siklara]

Yup, I like how he does it with enthusiasm of a dead slug, very fitting the current hot topic of piracy and whatnot.

If you check my sig, I published a folder with all of my TW2 .gifs. Yeaaaah! /self-promo before lockdown

What a fitting description.

Yeah, I discovered the link already in the screenshot thread and I love you.

 

[Aver]

Do you think there would be more or less thieves if we would not fight with them?

 

[AsTheDeath]

Still disappointed at how quick people were to say that this method - which they knew pretty much nothing about, except that up until then there had been no evidence of someone innocent being targeted and CDPs assurance that every case was handled on an individual basis and that it was 100% accurate - was 'blackmail', or would harm innocent people. Can't argue with CDP quitting it because of negative fan feedback, I doubt they were making much money of it anyway.

+another facepalm at "We CAN'T FIGHT piracy, just like we actually can fight thieves but not completely defeat them."

 

[CostinRaz]

In this day and age where every game that is made is pirated no matter it's protection I'd argue that it's best for a small new company to not risk pissing off any of their fans or potential fans by either using DRM or sueing pirates. That's my view.

My comparison to thieves was only meant to show that crime can't be stopped since I've said piracy and stealing are two very different subjects, and all these years game devs have been fighting pirates and failing to win, with piracy numbers only increasing despite better DRM and harsher laws in some countries, has shown that it's a pointless battle to fight.

As Blizzard put it. "We can only hope we offer enough incentives via our online community and Battle Net 2.0 for potential pirates to buy the legit game, anything else is a waste of time."

 

[dragoonlordz]

In this day and age where every game that is made is pirated no matter it's protection I'd argue that it's best for a small new company to not risk pissing off any of their fans or potential fans by either using DRM or sueing pirates. That's my view.

My comparison to thieves was only meant to show that crime can't be stopped since I've said piracy and stealing are two very different subjects, and all these years game devs have been fighting pirates and failing to win, with piracy numbers only increasing despite better DRM and harsher laws in some countries, has shown that it's a pointless battle to fight.

As Blizzard put it. "We can only hope we offer enough incentives via our online community and Battle Net 2.0 for potential pirates to buy the legit game, anything else is a waste of time."

You remind me very much of the phrase "With friends like you, who needs enemies?".

Anyway I'm done on this topic simply because I am done bickering with you over your (imho very silly) views on this subject and since I have already stated my opinion on this move by CDP-R to appease nothing more than very tiny group of people plus stating I will continue to support CDP-R even if they caved into your little groups pressure and moaning.

Yes my solution is for them to bend over and take the piracy hit, you know why?

Because as much as you might compare piracy to stealing, it is not the same as stealing a car. A car is something you need, a game is a source of fun and this is optional.

/supermegafacepalm

Imagine the situation when someone would be found innocent after being dragged to the court by CDPR. No legal system is perfect so it's a certainty someone would have that happen to them, and when it did it would be very bad for CDPR from a PR perspective.

No legal system is perfect so would you also like them to stop prosecuting murders too now or car thieves and women beaters or animal cruelty too just because there is a risk that some point in time someone may have to defend themselves against an error or mistake? Or am I wrong to make exaggerations based on progression of possible train of thought much like you did with comparing car thieves and piracy baring in mind you also stated neither you or anyone else other than courts have the right to judge where that line is drawn apparently.

You CAN'T FIGHT piracy.

/superduperepicmegafacepalm

You can, but your the very person who CDP-R addressed in the letter on page one stating do not be indifferent to it and support them in trying to stop people doing it which you have stated you are indifferent and rather they get screwed over. It (rather you) disgust me in a way that the very people like you are the one's they listened to about this issue, you; the guy who said he wants them to bend over and be raped by piracy rather than fight against it.

 

[CostinRaz]

Well good for you since the only thing you've provided as you've said is your opinion. You haven't a provided a single strong argument in the favor of your views, but hey it's great to trash people just because we think something.

It's also cool to think throwing all the pirates you can find in prison would solve all the problems right?

And on what facts do you think this is a minority you are talking about. As I've said I didn't really care about CDPR taking the move to bring people to courts, in fact it mattered little to me, just like DRM matters little to me.

I however support their recent move since I believe it is the smarter business approach. What you need to comprehend is that I also TOO support CDPR quite strongly. I love their games, I consider them the best RPGs I've played, I'll pre-oder Witcher 3 or any expansion the day it comes available, I love their patch support and I love a lot of what they've done so far and my views on piracy doesn't make me any less of a fan then you are.

I've argued over the Witcher games a lot on many forums to show that they are indeed great games, but to me fighting piracy is a waste of time and money, yes money. Money to make DRM, money to track people and bring them to courts.

You talk about how CDPR would lose money by not fighting, they lose money trying to fight them and for WHAT gain?